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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #125 on: May 22, 2016, 06:43:30 pm »
And you and your fellow never-trumpers not voting for him will make you all feel really peachy about you own character, and leave us with the she-devil as president.
Will you be feeling smug every time you hear her screeching, monotone voice belt out a State of the Union address or press conference?

Absolutely not.  If Hitlery wins it will haunt me and I will be filled with self doubt until she is impeached or replaced by election.  I am sure there maybe many conservatives who pull the lever for Trump who will be haunted by their own "Sophie's Choice," should Trump win.  They will wonder if a President Clinton would have engaged in a economically crippling trade war, or if she would have consolidated the anti-Trump voters to replace GOP majorities in the House and Senate, Gubernatorial seats and state legislatures.  They will wonder if a President Clinton would have been so reckless in starting a nuclear first strike.

I will not be happy with a President Trump or President Clinton.  Neither are fit to lead this nation.  But I will accept who ever the voters choose without me.
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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #126 on: May 22, 2016, 06:44:00 pm »
Trump could start healing the rift by not saying dumb sh*t like this:



What the hell does that even mean?
It means the adults should have guns not the children. Its called common sense.

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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #127 on: May 22, 2016, 06:46:29 pm »
It means the adults should have guns not the children. Its called common sense.

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No it means Trump wants to be on both sides of the Gun Free Schools issue.  As usual Trump supports and opposes what ever you want him to.

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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #128 on: May 22, 2016, 06:50:32 pm »
Mr. Trump is making some tremendous efforts to reach out to former opponents and NeverTrump advocates, and his efforts may yet pay some dividends. In my own view, even if he doesn't convert anyone back to the GOP at least his work may mitigate some of the rancor that currently exists within the party and amongst conservatives in general.

Trump's efforts are important and perhaps belated, and as a supporter I'm comfortable acknowledging that much of the current rift is his responsibility due to tone and his own ambiguous ideological history. People have every right to question both his sincerity, his conversion to conservatism in the past few years, and his ability to be presidential. Its Trump's job to come to folks who don't support him and to sell where he wants to take the country as we move forward. And he is doing his best to do this, and I just hope that those who do not now support him can be open minded enough to at least lend him an ear. Trump is doing the right thing here, and for myself it strengthens my support of him as our nominee.

Byron York has a solid article on this subject that was in the Washington Examiner this morning. See link below.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-trump-reaches-out-to-nevertrump/article/2591894

Sorry but after his treatment of Cruz in the primaries, Strumpy can burn in hell.  Trump may regret burning that bridge pissing off 10,000,000 hard core conservatives like me.
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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #129 on: May 22, 2016, 06:53:03 pm »
Characterize my attitude however you want.  I will not vote for somebody I cannot respect, and I simply cannot respect an unstable, insulting, ignorant presidential candidate.
By the absence of your vote for an unstable, insulting, ignorant presidential candidate, you will leave, unchallenged, an opposing vote for an evil, power-hungry, communist, harpy.

I guess I want to characterize your attitude as "petulant".
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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #130 on: May 22, 2016, 06:54:39 pm »
Kinda like how smug you are right now trying to guilt me into voting for Trump?

Not trying to guilt you into anything Sink.  You've already said you will NEVER vote for Trump.  It would be pretty futile to try to convince you, I wouldn't waste my time.    **nononono*
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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #131 on: May 22, 2016, 07:06:31 pm »
Absolutely not.  If Hitlery wins it will haunt me and I will be filled with self doubt until she is impeached or replaced by election.  I am sure there maybe many conservatives who pull the lever for Trump who will be haunted by their own "Sophie's Choice," should Trump win.  They will wonder if a President Clinton would have engaged in a economically crippling trade war, or if she would have consolidated the anti-Trump voters to replace GOP majorities in the House and Senate, Gubernatorial seats and state legislatures.  They will wonder if a President Clinton would have been so reckless in starting a nuclear first strike.

I will not be happy with a President Trump or President Clinton.  Neither are fit to lead this nation.  But I will accept who ever the voters choose without me.
A very reasoned, cogent post.
But it did miss the mark.

A really crappy, Canadian band, made up of three awesome musicians once wrote a song with lyrics that apply here: "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice".

Leaving a Clinton vote unopposed is a choice. 
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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #132 on: May 22, 2016, 07:08:24 pm »
Sorry but after his treatment of Cruz in the primaries, Strumpy can burn in hell.  Trump may regret burning that bridge pissing off 10,000,000 hard core conservatives like me.
Yeah!
That'll show him!
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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #133 on: May 22, 2016, 07:13:27 pm »
By the absence of your vote for an unstable, insulting, ignorant presidential candidate, you will leave, unchallenged, an opposing vote for an evil, power-hungry, communist, harpy.

I guess I want to characterize your attitude as "petulant".

We've been voting in this manner since Dole sir, and it has become clear it is just an exercise in insanity and futility.  This has been the mantra since Reagan left office: "vote for the RINO or be guilty of voting for the Socialist/Communist".

And many of us did, out of fear and worry. 

We even gave the GOP both houses based upon empty promises they reneged on the moment the election was called - and they pissed all over Conservatives, handed Obama and the Executive it's dictatorship and told us to suck it up.  They went on to demand Conservatives shut, up, sit down or get "punched in the nose" for daring to primary them.

So we have repented of doing what was wrong every election cycle.

We're done practicing insanity.

This whole people can go off the cliff to cheer for their king presumptive or the Mao Pantsuit, but I won't be one of them.

Call it petulant, or call it whatever you want. 

All this just confirms how much this people have grown to loathe anyone who demonstrates that their principles are immovable and non-negotiable.

It's why Trump Believers are all over social media and forums calling every Republican and Conservative who is not voting for Trump, a traitor. Some even suggesting both subtle and direct we will be lined up and shot or hung for treason when their King Presumptive assumes the throne.

This people deserve what and whom they have chosen to rule them.  I want no part of them or their political saviors.  I choose to vote for whom upholds and best represents my principles, even if I have to write them in.  That's my choice.  I can care less what the mob chooses.

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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #134 on: May 22, 2016, 07:16:15 pm »
By the absence of your vote for an unstable, insulting, ignorant presidential candidate, you will leave, unchallenged, an opposing vote for an evil, power-hungry, communist, harpy.

I guess I want to characterize your attitude as "petulant".

Look up petulant.  It means "sulky or cross."  I'm neither cross nor sulky.  Couldn't be happier in my personal life.    And I'm very content in knowing I'm not voting for either of the two worst candidates to be presented for president in my lifetime.

I'm simply one of the 60 million voting-age Americans who will not cast a vote for the top of the ticket this year.  I will do all I can to get my House rep and local legislators elected and will vote for all of them.
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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #135 on: May 22, 2016, 07:22:33 pm »

Who produced and funded this video btw?
There are many such exposing Cruz's Character such as for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftY8UjxeqTk&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO_MkcZh-VY


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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #136 on: May 22, 2016, 07:36:38 pm »
Which wasn't an answer to the question.

Now - who produced and funded those as well?
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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #137 on: May 22, 2016, 07:38:49 pm »
By the absence of your vote for an unstable, insulting, ignorant presidential candidate, you will leave, unchallenged, an opposing vote for an evil, power-hungry, communist, harpy.

I guess I want to characterize your attitude as "petulant".

Take ownership of this one.  This is all on you Trumpsters.   

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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #138 on: May 22, 2016, 07:40:13 pm »

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It's why Trump Believers are all over social media and forums calling every Republican and Conservative who is not voting for Trump, a traitor. Some even suggesting both subtle and direct we will be lined up and shot or hung for treason when their King Presumptive assumes the throne.

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I don't want to put you to any trouble, but I would love to see some links to that kind of talk.  As a Trump supporter, I've never been subjected to talk like that!   /sarc. 

Seriously, what a terrible way to talk to someone - I don't blame you - stick to your guns!  People have no right to talk mean to anti-Trumpers and because a few mean people do - you have every right to withhold your vote for Trump!  Hillary's people would never talk to you like that!



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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #139 on: May 22, 2016, 07:42:04 pm »
There are many such exposing Cruz's Character such as for example:

Perfect example of why this 'rift healing' is just a ruse from the Trump Believers.

It's not enough that Cruz dropped out and is no longer running.

He and Principled Conservatives must be completely, totally and absolutely destroyed, smeared, bashed and excoriated if we refuse to kiss Trump's ring and bend the knee.

Makes not a whit of difference between the mobs that want a Marxist Communist, and those that want a Populist Nationalist Fascist.  The tyranny is the same, from both the mob and their chosen prince or queen.

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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #140 on: May 22, 2016, 07:43:04 pm »
I don't want to put you to any trouble, but I would love to see some links to that kind of talk.  As a Trump supporter, I've never been subjected to talk like that!   /sarc. 

Seriously, what a terrible way to talk to someone - I don't blame you - stick to your guns!  People have no right to talk mean to anti-Trumpers and because a few mean people do - you have every right to withhold your vote for Trump!  Hillary's people would never talk to you like that!

You have my undying respect and gratitude for that comment.

Perhaps others might learn from your example about what 'healing the rift' might actually look like.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #141 on: May 22, 2016, 07:43:57 pm »
Which wasn't an answer to the question.

Now - who produced and funded those as well?

I don't understand what you are getting at? 

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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #142 on: May 22, 2016, 07:47:27 pm »
Look, I'm pretty sure he realizes...as do I...that some of you are never going to give him a fair hearing on his current views and campaign. That's OK, it's your right to oppose him and vote for Hillary or some other 3rd party candidate. No one disputes that. I think all he's hoping for, and I think that applies to the vast majority of Trump supporters, is that those who oppose him really take another open minded look at where the country is right now. And what our genuine options are in this election. As the article notes, for many this will be a bridge too far...but I think its also true that there are others who will be open to at least re-examining what these next 4 years will mean for the nation.

If we lose this election to Hillary, there may not be a way to turn things around...especially once she piles 2-4 very liberal justices onto the Supreme Court. All presidential elections are important, but this one is a "sea-change"...who appoints the bulk of the Supreme Court over these next 4 years is going to set the course of this nation for a full generation. That is worth a second look IMHO.

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From Sinkspurs article

Trump’s lies arrive with such rapidity that before one can be refuted a new one comes to take its place. It wasn’t his voice on that tape of pitiful self-promotion. O.K., it was—but he never mocked the handicapped reporter, he was merely imitating an obsequious one. The media eventually moves on, shrugging helplessly, to the next lie. Then the next lie, and the next. If the lies are bizarre enough and frequent enough, they provoke little more than a nervous giggle and a cry of “Well, guess he’s changed the rules!”

He’s not Hitler, as his wife recently said? Well, of course he isn’t. But then Hitler wasn’t Hitler—until he was. At each step of the way, the shock was tempered by acceptance. It depended on conservatives pretending he wasn’t so bad, compared with the Communists, while at the same time the militant left decided that their real enemies were the moderate leftists, who were really indistinguishable from the Nazis. The radical progressives decided that there was no difference between the democratic left and the totalitarian right and that an explosion of institutions was exactly the most thrilling thing imaginable.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-dangerous-acceptance-of-donald-trump

The bolded is quite an eye opener.  That is exactly what we are being pushed to do.  To justify somehow why we could vote for Trump and there isn't a valid reason.
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I give everyone a fair hearing.  If it were only his past we were concerned about that would be one thing.  It isn't. Most, if not all of what will keep me from voting for Trump is the things he has said during this campaign.  Let me refresh:

Wave Bible I am a Christian but I don't need the sacrifice Jesus made for my sins.  Never need to ask for forgiveness.

I could shoot someone...........

Lies about Cruz and his family.  I know that some career politicians don't have a problem with that but I do.

Saying he would shoot terrorists families and the military will do it if he tells them too.

Insulting Carly Fiorina for her looks.

Promising Americans jobs when he doesn't even run his own business hiring Americans.

I could write a book on how offensive Donald Trump is.  Every time I think about him being President I imagine this man relying only on himself when making important decisions.  I imagine him abroad meeting with Dignitaries and President and opening his mouth to insult the looks of their wives.  He is so superficial.  He has made so many comments on women's looks.  Everyone can see that if a woman isn't the vision of model or beauty queen she has no value.  I don't believe there is good in him.  It isn't about whether we are electing a pastor.  It is about a superficial liar who thinks his opinion reigns above all others.  If you can lie about being a Christian you can lie about anything.  Trump has said so many things that reveal he is not a follower of Christ.  That would be OK for a candidate, but not one that has to lie about it.  To me it was openly mocking the Lord and His sacrifice.  To me that is important.  The most important thing in my life is the Lord.
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Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #143 on: May 22, 2016, 07:48:48 pm »
Yeah!
That'll show him!
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How exactly is 4 years of Hillary going to be any different from 4 years of Trump?
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« Reply #144 on: May 22, 2016, 07:50:13 pm »
Which wasn't an answer to the question.

Now - who produced and funded those as well?

You don't honestly expect to get a straight answer from him do you?
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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #145 on: May 22, 2016, 07:50:49 pm »
I don't understand what you are getting at?

Yes, you do.

Posting a video, then replying by saying "there's loads" and posting two more when asked who produced and funded the first one is not an answer. Now he has three to supply answers for, not just the one.

See, I'd normally not care, but this is the same poster who dives into the minutia of who produces and funds anything against Trump. I assume he's of honest character and does the same due diligence on pro-Trump or anti-Cruz items,and would like his research to be show.
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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #146 on: May 22, 2016, 07:54:12 pm »
I don't understand what you are getting at?
They cannot dispute the Substance of the videos so are looking to try to attack the Messenger. It means they have nothing to rebut them with.
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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #147 on: May 22, 2016, 07:55:19 pm »
Yes, you do.

Posting a video, then replying by saying "there's loads" and posting two more when asked who produced and funded the first one is not an answer. Now he has three to supply answers for, not just the one.

See, I'd normally not care, but this is the same poster who dives into the minutia of who produces and funds anything against Trump. I assume he's of honest character and does the same due diligence on pro-Trump or anti-Cruz items,and would like his research to be show.
So you can play attack the messenger? Try addressing the Substance if you can.
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Re: Healing the rift with the NeverTrump movement
« Reply #148 on: May 22, 2016, 07:58:23 pm »
So you can play attack the messenger? Try addressing the Substance if you can.

You first.
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