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House erupts in chaos after LGBT vote
« on: May 19, 2016, 07:19:46 pm »
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/house-lgbt-amendment-discrimination-fight-223366


House erupts in chaos after LGBT vote

GOP leaders barely muscled up the votes to reject an amendment that would have barred federal contractors from getting government work if they discriminate against the LGBT community.

By Rachael Bade, Ben Weyl and John Bresnahan

05/19/16 12:37 PM EDT

Updated 05/19/16 12:50 PM EDT


The House erupted in chaos Thursday morning with Democrats crying foul after Republicans hastily convinced a few of their own to switch their votes and narrowly block an amendment intended to protect lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people from discrimination.

It was an unruly scene on the floor, with Democrats chanting "shame!" after GOP leaders just barely muscled up the votes to reject, 212-213, an amendment by Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney (D-N.Y.) that would have effectively barred federal contractors from getting government work if they discriminate against the LGBT community.

At one point, a monitor in the House gallery showed there were 217 votes supporting the legislation, eliciting cheers of joy from Democrats who thought the measure might actually pass. But over the course of about 10 minutes, those votes suddenly dropped one by one to 212 — and the amendment failed.

A number of lawmakers from western states, who originally voted yes, changed their votes. According to a list tweeted out an hour after the vote by House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer’s (D-Md.) office, they included: Reps. Darrell Issa (Calif.), David Valadao (Calif.), Jeff Denham (Calif.), Greg Walden (Ore.), Mimi Walters (Calif.), David Yong (Iowa) and Bruce Poliquin (Maine). Their offices have not yet responded to request for comment

Amendment author Maloney was furious with Republicans for how they handled the floor fight over his offering. He singled out Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) in particular for criticism, saying the number two House Republican personally lobbied GOP members to change their votes when it looked like Maloney's proposal would pass.

"The leader [McCarthy] went around and twisted their arms, and they voted for discrimination," Maloney said. When Maloney complained directly to McCarthy, he said the majority leader told him "to get back on your own side."

"The members who switched are going to hold a very special place in American history as the people who didn't have the guts to stand up and support the will of the House," Maloney said off the chamber floor after the vote. "They literally snatched discrimination out of the jaws of equality."

A GOP aide on the floor at the time said Maloney was actually the instigator, telling POLITICO that he came over to the Republican side and was angrily taunting conservatives for their votes. Republicans are saying privately that if the amendment had passed it would have killed the appropriations bill because Republicans would no longer vote for it.

"Our veterans and troops were prioritized over a political messaging amendment that could have jeopardized the final passage of the appropriations bill," said Speaker Paul Ryan's spokeswoman AshLee Strong in a statement.

The fracas highlights the risks for GOP leadership's commitment to an "open amendment" process, where lawmakers are afforded wide latitude to offer changes to legislation, like the military construction and veterans affairs spending bill that was on the floor Thursday. Ryan upon taking the gavel vowed he would allow more amendments on the floor, but Thursday's drama will surely test his commitment to that process.

It's a good bet that other politically explosive issues will come up for votes if the Wisconsin Republican and his team continue the same practice through this summer's spending bill process, so Ryan will have to determine if the benefits outweigh the cost.

The acrimony undermined a success for Ryan earlier that day regarding his commitment to regular order. Just moments before the LGBT vote, he’d shepherded the first House vote to bar the confederate flag from flying in mass graves at federal cemeteries.

The same amendment had tripped up Speaker John Boehner(R-Ohio) last year, and Boehner responded then by pulling an entire appropriations bill off the floor because he didn't want to litigate the matter. He feared it would divide his conference and make them look bad following a high-profile racially charged shooting of black churchgoers in South Carolina.

On Thursday, however, GOP leaders were proud that they allowed the Democratic flag amendment on the floor. It passed 265-159, with all members of GOP leadership joining Democrats to back the measure.

But just moments later, things turned ugly during the LGBT vote.

When the votes began shifting out of the 'aye' column on Maloney's measure, the chamber erupted in booing. Almost every Democrat was on his or her feet shouting and eventually they broke out in a chant, pointing their fingers at the other side of the chamber where the Republicans sit: “Shame! Shame! Shame!”

Rep. Joe Crowley (D-N.Y) framed his hands around his mouth like a megaphone and shouted something no one could hear over the din. Rep. Steve Israel (D-N.Y.) had his hands crossed and wore a sharp scowl. Rep. Rosa DeLauro raised her hands in the air during the chanting. Others paced, while some just stood in shock.

Republicans on the other side sat in their seats quietly. Some looked disappointed. As the amendment was being voted down, Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen appeared to shake her head in disappointment. The Florida Republican has a transgender son and is one of the few Republicans who has been outspoken in advocating for the LGBT community.

After the chair closed the vote, Democrats continued shouting in anger.

“There will be order in this chamber,” the chair said.

“No there will not be!” yelled Rep. Gwen Moore (D-Wis.), who stood at the base of the podium. She pounded her fists on the table in front of her.

Hoyer silenced the chamber and called for a parliamentary inquiry to find out how people switched their votes on an amendment that, until just moments before, looked like it would pass. Under House rules, once the speaker asks "does anyone wish to change their vote?" lawmakers are supposed to go to the front of the podium to change their votes.

But the speaker, however, never said that phrase during the LGBT ballot, keeping the vote open for longer than the standard two minute-voting block.

Hoyer argued that Ryan was tossing chamber rules aside and said the people who changed their votes should have the courage to step forward.

“I was standing in the well. No one came, or no one had the courage to come, into the well to change their vote,” he thundered. “Notwithstanding that, the vote just came changing. How is that possible?”

Hoyer also threatened on the floor that Democrats would figure out who switched their votes on the amendment: "We will know. We're working on it right now," Hoyer told reporters after the vote. His office released the names a few minutes later.

It was the second time in as many days that Maloney offered the proposal on the floor. The House rejected similar language last night during debate over the defense authorization bill.

“I’ve been the majority leader. I’ve been the whip,” Hoyer said on the floor after the vote, as he blamed GOP leadership for pushing lawmakers to switch their votes. But he again hit the seven Republicans who changed their positions: “They will have themselves to look at tonight in the mirror and explain to themselves whether their first vote was a principled one.”

House Rules Chairman Pete Sessions (R-Texas) said some lawmakers may have switched their votes because they recognized that the issue had been settled the night before during the defense authorization debate.

Sessions also defended the GOP on the substance of the matter.

“I am a Republican,” he said. “We do not discriminate — we attempt to follow the law, and the gentleman knows that.”
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Re: House erupts in chaos after LGBT vote
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2016, 08:21:08 pm »
Barry Goldwater was right in his opposition to the Civil Rights act of 1964.   



It really is none of the government's business to tell people whom they must employ.    It is, in fact,   the imposition of state mandated morality,   which most people claim to be against.   


But most people are really only against it when it is a state mandate of a morality of which they don't approve.    When the state is forcing people to  abide by a moral code that they like,   people are generally in favor of it. 


It's not going to last.   The Muslims will toss it out once they assume power. 

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Re: House erupts in chaos after LGBT vote
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2016, 08:36:16 pm »
Federal Contractors? I know minority contractors have been favored by the Feds.

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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2016, 09:17:28 pm »
Barry Goldwater was right in his opposition to the Civil Rights act of 1964.   



It really is none of the government's business to tell people whom they must employ.    It is, in fact,   the imposition of state mandated morality,   which most people claim to be against.   


But most people are really only against it when it is a state mandate of a morality of which they don't approve.    When the state is forcing people to  abide by a moral code that they like,   people are generally in favor of it. 


It's not going to last.   The Muslims will toss it out once they assume power.

I was nodding and thinking this post has a lot of truth in it.  Then I got to the last line.   YIKES!  Please tell me you're kidding.  Please.....   :0001:

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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2016, 09:39:36 pm »
I was nodding and thinking this post has a lot of truth in it.  Then I got to the last line.   YIKES!  Please tell me you're kidding.  Please.....   :0001:


I wish I were kidding.   


 There is an old adage in politics.   "You can't beat somebody with nobody."   


There is something in the human psych that years for spirituality.   Despite all efforts to convince people that we are nothing but a bunch of particles whizzing around other particles,   much of humanity wants to believe that we matter,  and that we're not just a momentary splash in the cosmic pool.   


Islam is advancing.   It cannot be held back by atheists,  it will kill them.    It cannot be held back by the decadent,  it will kill them too.    It will not listen,  you cannot reason with it using tools from outside of it's sphere of acceptance.   It is intractable,  and it is spreading incrementally.   


Islam is a belief system,   and the only force which has ever pushed it back was another belief system.    A stronger,  determined belief system is the only thing which ever can hold it back.   

Our only weapon against it was our own belief system,   but we have thrown our weapon away because it became onerous to carry it,  and it became tarnished and unpleasant looking with age.   We foolishly believed we wouldn't need it any more,   and so we tossed it by the wayside on our way to our rendezvous with hedonism.   



You might want to watch this video which was made several (7) years ago,  and then consider how relevant it is in light of the mass migration occurring now in Europe and the bombings in Belgium and Paris.    Again, I urge you to watch that video if you have not already seen it. 


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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2016, 09:42:17 pm »
I was nodding and thinking this post has a lot of truth in it.  Then I got to the last line.   YIKES!  Please tell me you're kidding.  Please.....   :0001:
NOPE NOT KIDDING. Caliphate....sharia law will not allow trans LGBTQ to exist. Look at how many of them are coming in our country. Look how many of them are in power now in fed gov. I heard about the Caliphate some time ago. Same as the NWO..........NWO her we are. Caliphate will happen if they get the WH. It will happen worldwide if nobody has yet stood up to fight it.

I always ask....will sharia types let the WhiteHouse even stand once they take over. Will they let congress exist anymore.....  nope.  All monuments are destroyed by Isis once they gain control of any area.


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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2016, 09:44:59 pm »

I wish I were kidding.   


 There is an old adage in politics.   "You can't beat somebody with nobody."   


There is something in the human psych that years for spirituality.   Despite all efforts to convince people that we are nothing but a bunch of particles whizzing around other particles,   much of humanity wants to believe that we matter,  and that we're not just a momentary splash in the cosmic pool.   


Islam is advancing.   It cannot be held back by atheists,  it will kill them.    It cannot be held back by the decadent,  it will kill them too.    It will not listen,  you cannot reason with it using tools from outside of it's sphere of acceptance.   It is intractable,  and it is spreading incrementally.   


Islam is a belief system,   and the only force which has ever pushed it back was another belief system.    A stronger,  determined belief system is the only thing which ever can hold it back.   

Our only weapon against it was our own belief system,   but we have thrown our weapon away because it became onerous to carry it,  and it became tarnished and unpleasant looking with age.   We foolishly believed we wouldn't need it any more,   and so we tossed it by the wayside on our way to our rendezvous with hedonism.   



You might want to watch this video which was made several (7) years ago,  and then consider how relevant it is in light of the mass migration occurring now in Europe and the bombings in Belgium and Paris.    Again, I urge you to watch that video if you have not already seen it. 




Good post. I have been given grief from time to time about this. I am not wrong.  The ones who have said this for years are not wrong. 


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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2016, 09:50:25 pm »
I just saw this graphic today.     


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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2016, 09:54:58 pm »
I just saw this graphic today.     



Notice where they are being sent here?  Stealth like in the night. Towns wake up.....bingo 100 sharia types now live in these towns.  I bet a map like that here would be chilling.. have you seen one yet?


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« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2016, 09:57:32 pm »
I just saw this graphic today.     



One more thing notice how teamobama has sent many of these invaders to military bases to live on base?


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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2016, 09:57:47 pm »
Current birth rate in the USA is 1.9

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN
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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2016, 10:41:01 pm »
Current birth rate in the USA is 1.9

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN



"Free love."  "Drugs".  "Abortion".   


We shoulda been making babies instead of importing people who will have no  loyalty to American ideals.   


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« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2016, 10:53:39 pm »
One of the core characteristics of protected classes is that they were supposed to be "discrete and insular" minorities, with an immutable, highly-visible trait.  In other words, "you knew it when you saw it", and members of that class really couldn't conceal it.  So racial minorities, women, etc.. qualified.  Though that technically applies to constitutional claims, it really is the same logic for the statutory protected classes as well.

The problem with the sexual/gender stuff is that it is not immutable or highly-visible.  Very often, there isn't any objective way to tell if someone is actually gay.  As big a headache as civil rights legislation can be for employers already, opening up an entire new batch of protected classes that someone can claim at their convenience makes is much, much worse.

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« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2016, 10:57:42 pm »
One of the core characteristics of protected classes is that they were supposed to be "discrete and insular" minorities, with an immutable, highly-visible trait.  In other words, "you knew it when you saw it", and members of that class really couldn't conceal it.  So racial minorities, women, etc.. qualified.  Though that technically applies to constitutional claims, it really is the same logic for the statutory protected classes as well.

The problem with the sexual/gender stuff is that it is not immutable or highly-visible.  Very often, there isn't any objective way to tell if someone is actually gay.  As big a headache as civil rights legislation can be for employers already, opening up an entire new batch of protected classes that someone can claim at their convenience makes is much, much worse.

Well said!   :beer:

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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2016, 11:02:08 pm »
I just saw this graphic today.     




How eye opening is that!  Amazing.....

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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2016, 11:40:08 pm »
The Judeo-Christian worldview hanging on by a thread and THAT only sometimes.

The good news is Jesus saved us from this world. I hate seeing this country destroy itself from the inside out. I've worked to promote conservatism all my life. I've contributed to conservatives. I've campaigned for conservatives. I've worked as an election judge to try and make sure things were on the up and up. I look at the millennials and can't believe they are the future.

To some extent Trump is the push back to all this decline. Unfortunately, he's the wrong champion. In the end if he's elected the decline will continue.
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« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2016, 12:38:49 am »
The good news is Jesus saved us from this world. I hate seeing this country destroy itself from the inside out. I've worked to promote conservatism all my life. I've contributed to conservatives. I've campaigned for conservatives. I've worked as an election judge to try and make sure things were on the up and up. I look at the millennials and can't believe they are the future.

To some extent Trump is the push back to all this decline. Unfortunately, he's the wrong champion. In the end if he's elected the decline will continue.

It doesn't matter whether Hillary or Donny is our next POTUS; this country will end as we know it.  As Cruz stated, "those that bolstered Trump will  bear that responsibility going forward". 
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« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2016, 12:43:24 am »
It doesn't matter whether Hillary or Donny is our next POTUS; this country will end as we know it.  As Cruz stated, "those that bolstered Trump will  bear that responsibility going forward". 

I agree..... we are seeing the end of it.    Our people want a King who will rule by decree as they see fit.   We will end up with a King who does whatever he wants.   Small towns and rural areas will be the last to be taken over.   Big cities, metropolitan areas..... these will be attacked, destroyed, and brought "into the fold" first.
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« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2016, 12:57:32 am »
I think Trump or Hillary, either road will be God's judgement on us.  Some think a border wall and trade tariffs will solve everything.  That's not even close.

The news is awash with coverage of a downed airline that killed 66 people.   Presidential candidates are tweeting about being tough on terrorism etc.   It's apparently the biggest problem in the world right now.   Today over 3,000 babies were killed in their mother's womb.  About 3 out of every 10 pregnancies in the US ends in abortion.     
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« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2016, 01:11:54 am »
It doesn't matter whether Hillary or Donny is our next POTUS; this country will end as we know it.  As Cruz stated, "those that bolstered Trump will  bear that responsibility going forward".

Yes, those that support Trump will be responsible for every improvement. The neverTrumps will be sideliners.

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« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2016, 02:00:43 am »
Outstanding post #4 above, Diogenes.
You understand.

I've been repeatedly asking a simple question (first at TOS, now here) for about twelve years now:
Who's winning?

It certainly ain't us.

90% of those who call themselves conservative couldn't face the reality of what it will take to win this struggle.
Most folks in this very forum can't, or won't face it.

What can be done against an enemy that will not stop until you are dead, until your culture is dead, until your civilization is dead?

Perhaps only one thing, regardless of whether that enemy numbers one, one thousand, one million, or.... one BILLION.

islam is in ascendance, and nothing -- let me repeat that for clarity -- NOTHING The West has yet done has provided any indication that those who lead us have any intention of trying to stop its climb towards victory.

Quite to the contrary, as Western Europe's example illustrates, our "leaders" seem to be doing whatever they can to facilitate our submission.

I know you're not kidding, Diogenes.
I wish you were.

Western civilization was great while it lasted.
But The West has lost its faith in itself, literally.
Lost its faith as to what it stands for and with it the willingness to defend that faith.
And into the vacuum left where faith once was, rushes islam's dark winds.

Someday that lamp is gonna be extinguished for decades, or centuries, to come.

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« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2016, 02:48:01 am »
Outstanding post #4 above, Diogenes.
You understand.

I've been repeatedly asking a simple question (first at TOS, now here) for about twelve years now:
Who's winning?

It certainly ain't us.

90% of those who call themselves conservative couldn't face the reality of what it will take to win this struggle.
Most folks in this very forum can't, or won't face it.

What can be done against an enemy that will not stop until you are dead, until your culture is dead, until your civilization is dead?

Perhaps only one thing, regardless of whether that enemy numbers one, one thousand, one million, or.... one BILLION.

islam is in ascendance, and nothing -- let me repeat that for clarity -- NOTHING The West has yet done has provided any indication that those who lead us have any intention of trying to stop its climb towards victory.

Quite to the contrary, as Western Europe's example illustrates, our "leaders" seem to be doing whatever they can to facilitate our submission.

I know you're not kidding, Diogenes.
I wish you were.

Western civilization was great while it lasted.
But The West has lost its faith in itself, literally.
Lost its faith as to what it stands for and with it the willingness to defend that faith.
And into the vacuum left where faith once was, rushes islam's dark winds.

Someday that lamp is gonna be extinguished for decades, or centuries, to come.
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« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2016, 02:55:08 am »
Enough already.   The only reason to make these laws is to disqualify good candidates for jobs.  All people should be able to interview for jobs and companies hire based on skills and experience.  It opens the door for people to cry discrimination and sue.
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« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2016, 03:28:25 am »
The House erupted in chaos Thursday morning with Democrats crying foul after Republicans hastily convinced a few of their own to switch their votes and narrowly block an amendment intended to protect lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people from discrimination.

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Transgender minority status is next.

Really sad there are not enough decent Republicans left that this small victory wasn't a unanimous majority instead of a bone breaker.

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« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2016, 03:45:53 am »
Why does the LBGT community believe they are special?