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Re: No Regrets Ted Cruz 2016
« Reply #75 on: May 18, 2016, 03:49:04 am »
Virtue in today's public life has become a liability, because in order to demonstrate it, one needs above all to be properly humble.

In an age of human celebrity such as ours, humility is held as a sign of weakness, rather than evidence of the power of one's faith.

It was humility and not bravado that made Ronald Reagan a great man, and a great President. He not only understood where he intended to lead the nation, but far more importantly, why. And the "why" had nothing to do with personal ambition.

Reagan was a communicator. He studied FDR. He was personable and an actor.  He knew how  to connect with the electorate. Cruz just doesn't possess the personality.

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Re: No Regrets Ted Cruz 2016
« Reply #76 on: May 18, 2016, 04:23:20 am »
:huh?:

I can see by your cartoon response you are unable to argue a point.
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« Reply #77 on: May 18, 2016, 04:31:54 am »
I can see by your cartoon response you are unable to argue a point.

I only understand English. I have no idea what you were attempting to communicate.

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« Reply #78 on: May 18, 2016, 04:48:29 am »
I only understand English. I have no idea what you were attempting to communicate.

Sorry, I don't speak at a 5th grade level.
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« Reply #79 on: May 18, 2016, 04:57:41 am »
Sorry, I don't speak at a 5th grade level.

Keep working at it.

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Re: No Regrets Ted Cruz 2016
« Reply #80 on: May 18, 2016, 05:00:27 am »
Thanks to Ted it was great to have a genuine Conservative man of principles to vote for.

That is what I liked about him.  Everything above.
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« Reply #81 on: May 18, 2016, 09:08:27 am »
As the constitutional conservative in the race, Ted has developed his own following.  Until then, the last one standing between Her Infernal Malevolence and the White House is the least trusted, least qualified, and most despised GOP candidate in generations.  Hopefully, once voters reflect upon the aftermath of what most assuredly will be a train wreck of monumental proportions in November, they'll come to realize nominating someone with actual understanding of vital issues and the constitutional applications needed to resolve them, really is the wiser course. 

Yes, Trump and his bellowing, blathering, bloviating ways do tend to satisfy the more basic need to shout back at a system and political structure that have ignored the calls to alter their course, but nominating someone who fails even the simplest test of understanding of the role of government is an invitation to disaster.  And that disaster will become manifest in November.
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« Reply #82 on: May 18, 2016, 09:18:48 am »


I didn't realize XBox had presidential election game apps.  Very cool.  Now... back to reality.

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« Reply #83 on: May 18, 2016, 01:22:33 pm »
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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« Reply #84 on: May 18, 2016, 02:34:36 pm »
Keep working at it.

It might take awhile to get down there, then I can try for third grade level and maybe we can understand each other.
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Re: No Regrets Ted Cruz 2016
« Reply #85 on: May 18, 2016, 02:37:58 pm »
I didn't realize XBox had presidential election game apps.  Very cool.  Now... back to reality.

No wonder Trump is smiling in that picture.  he found a guy with hands smaller then his.
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Re: No Regrets Ted Cruz 2016
« Reply #86 on: May 18, 2016, 03:28:40 pm »

Who, in their sane, rational mind, could disagree with Rubio's sentiments, here?

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« Reply #87 on: May 18, 2016, 06:06:59 pm »
This wasn't directed towards me, but I'll answer it anyway as someone who supported Rubio.

I think the single most important quality this country needs in a candidate is the ability to change the way people think about conservatism -- to do what Reagan did and convince people that the principles of limited government are the only correct ones for governance.  And a healthy dose of non-preachy but traditional religious/moral values wouldn't hurt either.


You are asking for a deus ex machina.    The problem is not that conservative ideas are bad,  or that the public is not amenable to them.   

The problem is that the United States people cannot hear anything on news or entertainment that isn't filtered through Liberal Democrat Union members who live in Urban environments.   


We are suffering from an equal speech problem,  and this cannot be overcome by any except a most exceptionally talented man.   



We can close off the borders, but that doesn't change the mindset of people who are already in the country, nor the inevitable demographic shifts that are occurring.  And if we cannot find a way to reach young people, and minorities, and get them to rethink Bernie-style socialism as the answer to our problems, nothing else will matter. 



The answer to all of the above is the same.   We have to knock that media weapon out of the hands of the left,   and we have to get our own media weapon.    The reason the demographic shifts in attitude are occurring is because there has been a decades long constant stream of propaganda tampering with the American mind while masquerading as "news"   and "entertainment."   


We are being  Goebbeled to death.  Literally everything you see on television nowadays has bits and pieces of propaganda in it,   and it has been biting into the public consciousness now for decades.   It's moving the public left.   Government money is also pushing it that way. 







In other words, I think of this in the exact opposite way that Trump does -- I believe that ideology/principle is the single most important fight to be won, because in the end, it is the only thing that distinguishes us from other nations, and the only thing that will keep us on the right path.  Absent that, any policy changes will be temporary at best.



Politics is downstream from culture.   Get control of the culture and you will be able to steer the politics in the direction you want later.   



So, though I thought Cruz was better on the issues than Rubio, and though I didn't like Rubio's position on amnesty, I saw him as the only candidate in the race with the communications skills/charisma to actually change the debate in the country, and actually change some minds.  He was mocked by some with "well, he's good looking, and he's got a nice speech, and a nice story, but what else"? 

But I think that nice story, and particularly that nice speech, really mattered.  My 19 year old daughter is relatively uninterested in politics, though she thinks both Hillary and Trump are weird.  But the one time she caught Rubio on TV, she sat and listened to his whole speech, and said "Wow, I really like him - is he running for President too?"  That came without any prompting or comment from me, and it struck me as important because she isn't someone who is very aware politically.  And he was mouthing traditional conservative principles the entire time.  Had he gotten out of the primaries, I think his message would have absolutely crushed Hillary's.  He'd have been the perfect guy to make a conservative pitch to those disappointed Bernie supporters who are looking for something different.  Literally a chance to influence/swing an entire generation.



I'm more of a "what are you saying"  sort of fella rather than a "how you are saying it" sort of one.   Yes,   pretty words and speeches are always nice,   but I prefer to ask "what exactly are you saying?"    Where is it that you stand?





I don't think that's something Trump will even try because he's not a principled conservative, and though Cruz would have tried it, he's kind of an unappealing lizard-looking guy much better at preaching to the converted than actually converting anyone. 

I thought Rubio was actually a chance to break through to people who might otherwise never give conservatism a second thought.


I never thought of it that way because I never saw him as being effective in that way.   As much as I don't like it,   Trump seems to be the one that's converting people.   He's actually appealing to a lot of Democrat supporters.   This is why I think he will win in a landslide.   Blue Collar Democrats like his punch-back approach.   


Most people are not ideological.   They don't really keep up with politics.   To most people,   the election is nothing more than a popularity contest.   
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Re: No Regrets Ted Cruz 2016
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« Reply #89 on: May 18, 2016, 06:24:31 pm »
Thanks to Ted it was great to have a genuine Conservative man of principles to vote for.

Yes, sadly quite unusual.

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Re: No Regrets Ted Cruz 2016
« Reply #90 on: May 18, 2016, 06:29:19 pm »
Based on Primary results, those participating indicated they liked Trump's direct way of talking about major issues.

(not Cruz' or Rubio's way)
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Re: No Regrets Ted Cruz 2016
« Reply #91 on: May 18, 2016, 06:40:09 pm »
Well, obviously.  But I don't support a candidate just one how much other people like what he says, and I was answering the question of why I, personally, supported Rubio.

Rubio screwed his chances with the gang of 8.  Absent that, he might have been able to win it.

My point was that people liked the positions Trump pointed out, and the fact he did so very directly.

His style is SO direct, some people think he is suggesting he would be a dictator and do things singlehandedly.

I do not believe he really means it that way. I believe it happens to be one way of speaking, as in "we are going to do thus and such."

For what it is worth, I like Rubio's style, and I dislike Cruz' style. In a small field, I believe Rubio would be the more popular with a broad range of voters.
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« Reply #92 on: May 18, 2016, 06:43:08 pm »
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We are being  Goebbeled to death.  Literally everything you see on television nowadays has bits and pieces of propaganda in it,   and it has been biting into the public consciousness now for decades.   It's moving the public left.   Government money is also pushing it that way.

Very little of it is due to government money. Frankly, it is simply the free market of the left dominating entertainment.

That is 100% USDA Choice BS!  There is no such thing as a free market of anything in entertainment and there hasn't been in a VERY long time!   AND it has everything to do with government money albeit not directly because it would be much easier to spot if it was!
 
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: No Regrets Ted Cruz 2016
« Reply #93 on: May 18, 2016, 06:50:00 pm »
Very little of it is due to government money. Frankly, it is simply the free market of the left dominating entertainment.

That is 100% USDA Choice BS!  There is no such thing as a free market of anything in entertainment and there hasn't been in a VERY long time!   AND it has everything to do with government money albeit not directly because it would be much easier to spot if it was!

Why don't you actually provide an example or two, supporting your position?

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« Reply #94 on: May 18, 2016, 07:01:27 pm »
I'm not sure what you're talking about here.

I'm talking about Disney, and the major networks, and all the shows they write and sell, and the singers, rappers, artists, and other entertainers who make buttloads of money while very often spouting left wing messages.  Stephen Colbert, John Stewart, Kanye West, and all the rest of them.

Do you really think the only reason those people are successful is because of government money?

No! I think they are successful because the industry they work in allows ZERO competition from the right and that industry is indirectly rewarded for that by indirect means such as the tax code.

Much the same as the current public education industry!
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« Reply #95 on: May 18, 2016, 07:21:29 pm »
What prevents conservatives from doing what they want?  Conservative singers, or actors, etc.?  If they want to write that stuff, the government isn't preventing them.  The fact is, whether we like it or not, left wingers preferring to work with other left wingers to advance left wing ideas is still the free market -- they are voluntary associations.

How so?

Look, the point that was being made was that we have to do something about the left controlling Hollywood (etc..), and I said there really wasn't any way for us to do that.  We can choose as individuals which shows/artists to support, but we already do that anyway.  So I'm not understanding what you think should be done about this, or how the person we elect is supposed to change it.

We can't choose to see a movie that isn't made or a play that isn't produced can we?  It is virtually impossible for the right to get anything like that through the filter as it currently exists.

We can do that by actually promoting FREE markets across the board and we do it by eliminating the government's ability to manipulate them via the tax code, regulations, grants...! And even then it will take time because the culture will take a while to adapt!

"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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« Reply #96 on: May 18, 2016, 08:21:55 pm »
What specific part of the tax/code regulations are you talking about that favor left-wing filmmakers/actors?  Honestly, you're going to need to come up with a large scale example of this because I just don't see it.

And what about things like music?  Again, I don't know what you expect the government to do about a leftwing bias among musicians.  That's been around since forever.

I have no intention of writing a book here to explain it either.  I don't want the government to do anything other than what they are supposed to do which is be COMPLETELY neutral!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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