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The Conservative Case for Trump
« on: May 16, 2016, 05:03:51 pm »
The Conservative Case for Trump
American Thinker, David Prentice, May 15, 2015

As a longstanding Reagan conservative, my initial preference was Ted Cruz; yet I would have voted for any of the candidates over Hillary.  I held my nose for McCain and Romney, and hope some at least hold their noses and vote for Trump.  However, I’d rather you do more than that, I’d rather you consider actually voting FOR Donald Trump.  The case for Trump is a good one.

Let me start with how I changed my mind in January.  My preference had been for Cruz, I liked his stances, and I thought he would make a great president.  I didn’t change because I thought less of Cruz.  I was not angry at him, I realized that Trump was the better candidate, and in spite of my reservations (that I still hold), I found him someone to support.
 
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Okay, I still considered him a joke, a rube, a charlatan, a stalking horse.  I disliked him and his style.  I thought Cruz would do better at presenting the same case.

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There he was, standing for the most important issues of the day, and I couldn’t stand him.  He was a fraud, a liberal, an embarrassing celebrity.  Yep.  I also knew that Cruz was better, a conservative who could explain himself, he was intelligent, he could handle the media, he was great.  My candidate.

In December, Mr. Celebrity made his first comments on Islam.  Among other things, he said there was ill will for us, that we needed to have a temporary ban on Muslim immigration.  Boy, was he lambasted by the media, and once again by all the candidates, and various GOP celebrities.  What a hateful, spiteful man, he was a hater, he wasn’t even human enough to be human now.  Or so we were being told.

He had my attention.  I was no longer forced to listen to him, I actually listened.  He was saying something no one had brought up for public consumption.  Ever.  This was an issue that I had already found extremely important, much like the border.  Trump was saying the unsayable, virtually the unthinkable.  He had brought to the forefront a truth, an unpopular truth, a non-PC truth.  Once again, not only did he not suffer from saying what was previously unthinkable, he was the clear frontrunner.

I still felt he would be a bad candidate, and still loved Cruz

In January that changed.  I found I liked what he said, but not him.  Then the earthquake happened: Hillary attacked him as a misogynist and a sexist.  Oh no, he’s done for now.  But no, he retorted with one tweet, and one paragraph lambasting the Clinton’s prior activities with women, highlighting the Clintons’ hypocrisy.  The press reported it.  The Clintons skulked away without responding.  The press wrung their hands, talked about it, had panels, articles, and in the end Trump won the first victory any GOP representative has had with the Clintons.  Her popularity dove, an entire generation was hearing for the first time what had happened.  Inconceivable.  One tweet, barely one paragraph.

That shook me to the core.  Then someone showed me an article in December where Ted Cruz had stated that the Clintons’ sexual history had no place in his campaign.  The light went on.  Two weeks later after reassessing my preference, I switched from Cruz to Trump.  I still liked Cruz, but I had discovered they were the only two highlighting essentially the same issues. 

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He was doing the unthinkable.  He was forming the narrative, and the media was reporting it.  He was forming the narrative above the heads of the PC police, something I had not seen since Reagan.  I started paying attention to those things he was saying, I started hearing about his rallies.  I began reading about how the people surrounding him, people that had worked for him in the past really liked him, and thought he was genuinely brilliant.  He was also highlighting the most important issues of our day, all of them:

1. The Wall.  He wants to stop illegal immigration.
2. The Islamic threat.  He does not want it to come here.  He did not want a repeat of Europe’s mistake.  He is the only candidate to say what needs to be done:  a temporary moratorium on Muslims coming here.
3.Our need to have a great military again.  He knows we need that and to give help for our veterans.
4.We need to smash ISIS, and radical Islam everywhere.
5.We need to jump start our economy.  Bring jobs, be pro-business, pro-capitalist, better trade agreements.
6.Protect our Second Amendment.
7.Repeal and replace Obamacare.
8.His pro-life conversion is actually believable.  He is pro-life.
9.He wants to cut spending, except for the military.
10.He wants to make America strong, respected, and for us to be proudly patriotic once again.
11.He is against common core, and wants locally controlled education.
12.He is for reducing regulation and the scope of the federal government.
13.There are lots more good and conservative policies, but this is enough to say for now.

Notice those encompass two things:  They highlight the most important issues of our day, and they encompass the three-legged stool of Ronald Reagan.  These are issues most conservatives like.

The first two are the most important of our day.  We have to stop our country from being overwhelmed by illegals, and we have to win the war with Islamists, culturally here, and by defeating Islamists everywhere else.  Without these two there will never be a conservative movement worth anything, let alone a country.

His other issues are icing on the cake.  They are a conservative wish list.

One last thing, the reason a lot of people don’t like him:  That in-your-face, seemingly out of control, nasty, over the top, attacking, unfair campaign style.  You may not like it (sometimes I hated it), you may not like what he did to some of our candidates (many times I hated it), but understand this:  It’s why he will beat Hillary, or any other candidate the Democratic Party puts in her place.  It’s a strength.  He knows how to win.  He will win, which means we can work on the agenda above.

Finally:  When he wins, he will have to implement the agenda; we need someone who has that same strength to take the barbs that will be flung by the democrat/media complex (and our GOP sellouts).  The new (R) President will need to be strong; they will try to destroy him every day.  He will need to be able to form a narrative about the media, he will need to handle the PC police, and he will need to be resolute.

That’s Donald Trump.




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Re: The Conservative Case for Trump
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2016, 05:12:19 pm »
The Conservative Case for Trump

There is none.
Principles matter. Words matter.

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Re: The Conservative Case for Trump
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2016, 05:17:03 pm »
Stop peddling that sh*t.  We Conservatives aren't buying it.

Trump is every bit the enemy of Conservative Constitutionalism as Hildabeast, Obama, Bernie the Socialist and the whole cadre of the Ruling Class Oligarchy are.

No propaganda pieces from Trump worshippers are going to change that fact, or our minds.

So go try and convert Democrats to your King Presumptive.

You're gonna need them.

We want nothing to do with you or your sovereign.
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Re: The Conservative Case for Trump
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2016, 05:19:03 pm »
The Conservative Case for Trump



When I first saw the headline I thought it was another lawsuit against him
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Re: The Conservative Case for Trump
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2016, 05:20:43 pm »
Poor writing does not change history. Trying to gain favor with poor writing does not change history. Lame illogical justifications containing the words 'but' do not change history.

"Sorry Conservatives" should have been a warning. People deserve what they bring on themselves.

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Re: The Conservative Case for Trump
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2016, 05:24:19 pm »
Stop peddling that sh*t.  We Conservatives aren't buying it.

Trump is every bit the enemy of Conservative Constitutionalism as Hildabeast, Obama, Bernie the Socialist and the whole cadre of the Ruling Class Oligarchy are.

No propaganda pieces from Trump worshippers are going to change that fact, or our minds.

So go try and convert Democrats to your King Presumptive.

You're gonna need them.

We want nothing to do with you or your sovereign.
"We conservatives" Pretty dam arrogant thinking you represent conservatives. Who do you think all those people at his rallies are? Hate to tell you but none of #neverTrump's behavior comes close to being conservative. Conservatives voted for him that's why he won.
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Re: The Conservative Case for Trump
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2016, 05:28:21 pm »
Trump has voiced support against and contributed to politicians in direct opposition to the points listed.  His positions have changed daily, his political party yearly.

To be superior to Shillary he needs to say something conservative and stick to it for more than an hour.

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Re: The Conservative Case for Trump
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2016, 09:59:02 pm »
How to lose credibility while posting:
1. Trump is never wrong.
2. Default to the most puerile emoticon you can find. This is especially useful when you can't win an argument on merits.
3. Be falsely ingratiating, completely but politely dismissive without talking to the points, and bring up Hillary whenever the conversation is really about conservatism.
4. When all else fails, remember rule #1 and #2. Emoticons are like the poor man's tweet!

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Re: The Conservative Case for Trump
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2016, 10:29:08 pm »
Who do you think all those people at his rallies are?

They are people who want someone to act as a dictator to assuage their anger and exact revenge for the last eight years.  They certainly are not people who believe in reducing the power and reach of the federal government, and who believe in the Constitution as the foundation of government.
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Re: The Conservative Case for Trump
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2016, 10:36:09 pm »
"We conservatives" Pretty dam arrogant thinking you represent conservatives. Who do you think all those people at his rallies are? Hate to tell you but none of #neverTrump's behavior comes close to being conservative. Conservatives voted for him that's why he won.

Open primaries. I know quite a few Leftist Democrats who voted for him in their primaries.  And not because they support him, but because they said it was a strategic vote for their side.

But that said, Lindsey Grahamnesty insists he is a Conservative, same as McCain and Boehner have.  Doesn't make them or you a Conservative at all.

You can call yourselves whatever you want actually.  The fruits identify who and what you actually are.  I don't give a damn if I am the only person in the country who has not gone to one of Trump's Nuremburg events.

Real Conservatives no longer vote for liberals, and especially those whose fruits and words are antithetical to the principles that make up Conservatism just because they are declared to be the lesser of evils.

We did that for decades, and have since repented of enabling evil and the demise of the Republic in the name of that which has been usurped and bastardized.

You go your own way, do your own thing - vote for your prince for dictator.

We will have none of it, or you.
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Re: The Conservative Case for Trump
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2016, 10:37:26 pm »
Here is the crux of the biscuit:

In December, Mr. Celebrity made his first comments on Islam.  Among other things, he said there was ill will for us, that we needed to have a temporary ban on Muslim immigration.  Boy, was he lambasted by the media, and once again by all the candidates, and various GOP celebrities.  What a hateful, spiteful man, he was a hater, he wasn’t even human enough to be human now.  Or so we were being told.

He had my attention.  I was no longer forced to listen to him, I actually listened.  He was saying something no one had brought up for public consumption.  Ever.  This was an issue that I had already found extremely important, much like the border.  Trump was saying the unsayable, virtually the unthinkable.  He had brought to the forefront a truth, an unpopular truth, a non-PC truth.  Once again, not only did he not suffer from saying what was previously unthinkable, he was the clear frontrunner.

I still felt he would be a bad candidate, and still loved Cruz

In January that changed.  I found I liked what he said, but not him.  Then the earthquake happened: Hillary attacked him as a misogynist and a sexist.  Oh no, he’s done for now.  But no, he retorted with one tweet, and one paragraph lambasting the Clinton’s prior activities with women, highlighting the Clintons’ hypocrisy.  The press reported it.  The Clintons skulked away without responding.  The press wrung their hands, talked about it, had panels, articles, and in the end Trump won the first victory any GOP representative has had with the Clintons.  Her popularity dove, an entire generation was hearing for the first time what had happened.  Inconceivable.  One tweet, barely one paragraph.

Sorry, that is not a 'Conservative case'.  The press gave Trump loads of free advertising because of un-PC comments he made.  That may excite you.  It may create an emotional response to vote for Trump.  But it is not a reasonable case to vote for him, especially not a Conservative one.
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Re: The Conservative Case for Trump
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2016, 10:38:49 pm »
I don't give a damn if I am the only person in the country who has not gone to one of Trump's Nuremburg events.

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Re: The Conservative Case for Trump
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2016, 10:55:02 pm »
Poor writing does not change history. Trying to gain favor with poor writing does not change history. Lame illogical justifications containing the words 'but' do not change history.

"Sorry Conservatives" should have been a warning. People deserve what they bring on themselves.

What in the list of 12 proposals is not conservative? 

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Re: The Conservative Case for Trump
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2016, 10:58:15 pm »
They are people who want someone to act as a dictator to assuage their anger and exact revenge for the last eight years. 

Nonsense.  They are your fellow citizens who have had enough of the new world order and want US borders defended, fair trade deals, job growth in America, a strong military, ISIS destroyed, political correctness eviscerated and America's geopolitical position in the world restored.


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Re: The Conservative Case for Trump
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2016, 11:16:08 pm »
:amen:

The drivel the trump supporters put out to convince others and themselves that it is ok to support a degenerate is ridiculous. I despise hillary with every fiber of my body. trump is worse for me because of what he is, what he stands for, and what he has done to the conservative movement. 

So you're not for America first?   :pondering:

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Re: The Conservative Case for Trump
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2016, 11:18:47 pm »
So you're not for America first?   :pondering:

And thus you prove the danger of meaningless memes.

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Re: The Conservative Case for Trump
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2016, 11:22:17 pm »
So you're not for America first?   :pondering:

 Proposing massive tariffs is nothing but a huge tax increase on the poorest people in the country.  And they will do NOTHING to bring jobs back to America.

So much for "America first"

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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2016, 11:32:41 pm »
Proposing massive tariffs is nothing but a huge tax increase on the poorest people in the country.  And they will do NOTHING to bring jobs back to America.

So much for "America first"
The #neverTrump LIE here is by omission. The fact is Tariffs are the Last Resort if our trade partners will not trade honestly with us. There are literally hundreds of strategies before that point. So of course #neverTrump dishonestly soundbites the most extreme last ditch one as it main strategy to manipulate the lo-infos. 
Trump is for America First.
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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2016, 12:04:54 am »
The Conservative Case for Trump

There is none.

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Re: The Conservative Case for Trump
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2016, 01:38:07 am »
The Trump for America First meme is bull. No one who puts America first would support Schumer, Reid, Pelosi, Clinton, etal. I'm not interested in his "it was just business" baloney. Real estate development in NY/NJ/Pa was the sandbox he chose to play in. A man of character would have chosen a different place and a different craft. He didn't He is no character, no class, pond scum and will never get my vote. Neither will any Alabama politician who pushed him.
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Re: The Conservative Case for Trump
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2016, 01:42:26 am »
The #neverTrump LIE here is by omission. The fact is Tariffs are the Last Resort if our trade partners will not trade honestly with us. There are literally hundreds of strategies before that point. So of course #neverTrump dishonestly soundbites the most extreme last ditch one as it main strategy to manipulate the lo-infos.

Our trading partners are trading very honestly with us.  They give us stuff we want at low prices, we give them paper. American paper, so they have to use it to buy other stuff that they want. Seems like a win-win to me.

But, of course, the idiots scream about the "trade deficit".  I have a trade deficit with my drug store.  I buy stuff from them; they buy nothing from me but everything seems to work out OK.
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« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2016, 02:08:45 am »
Our trading partners are trading very honestly with us.  They give us stuff we want at low prices, we give them paper. American paper, so they have to use it to buy other stuff that they want. Seems like a win-win to me.

But, of course, the idiots scream about the "trade deficit".  I have a trade deficit with my drug store.  I buy stuff from them; they buy nothing from me but everything seems to work out OK.
Every time you expose what you really are you help turn people to Trump. Thank you.
Trump is for America First.
"Crooked Hillary Clinton is the Secretary of the Status Quo – and wherever Hillary Clinton goes, corruption and scandal follow." D. Trump 7/11/16

Did you know that the word ‘gullible’ is not in the dictionary?

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Re: The Conservative Case for Trump
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2016, 02:09:30 am »
So you're not for America first?   :pondering:

Not your version of it, no. That bastardized liberal run thing can burn. I'm for the real one the founders designed.