Cruz: Those who bolstered Trump 'will bear that responsibility going forward'

[libertybele]

No.  Each state (leaving aside Nebraska and Maine where two electors are chosen at large and one each from each of the Congressional districts) is a first past the post winner-take all election to chose electors, all of whom will be loyalists of the candidate who takes the plurality (or majority) of the votes in that state, and in some states all of whom are bound under penalty of criminal sanction to vote in the Electoral College for the candidate who took the plurality (or majority) of popular votes in that state.

While it might be a moral victory to deny both of the corrupt, immoral, wannabe-Caesars the major parties have put up a majority of the popular vote, doing so is unlikely to stop one of them from being chosen in the Electoral College.  The only hope of doing that is a wave of support for minor party candidate (meaning Johnson, no neither Castle, more desirable, though he may be to conservatives, nor Stein have any hope of pulling enough votes to matter) strong enough to carry a few states and with a pattern of drawing support from Trump and Clinton that keep either from getting a majority in the Electoral College.

Leaving aside the possibility of a death on the campaign trail, the only, vanishingly slim, chance of keeping both Trump and Clinton out of the White House is Johnson carrying a state or two, the election thrown to the House of Representatives and a GOP House having decided that Trump is insane electing Johnson, with the Senate giving him a VP from whichever major party controlled the Senate after the election.

Thanks for the clarification.  Voting for Trump, Clinton or Johnson is not an option for me.  I'll write in Cruz.  Perhaps that vote won't be counted and perhaps my ballot will not be counted and all the down ballot votes lost ... but ... I will have voted my conscience.

[Hoodat]

Leaving aside the possibility of a death on the campaign trail, the only, vanishingly slim, chance of keeping both Trump and Clinton out of the White House is Johnson carrying a state or two, the election thrown to the House of Representatives and a GOP House having decided that Trump is insane electing Johnson, with the Senate giving him a VP from whichever major party controlled the Senate after the election.

They wouldn't have to give it to Johnson.  They could give it to whomever finished fourth or fifth.

[Hoodat]

Thanks for the clarification.  Voting for Trump, Clinton or Johnson is not an option for me.  I'll write in Cruz.  Perhaps that vote won't be counted and perhaps my ballot will not be counted and all the down ballot votes lost ... but ... I will have voted my conscience.

Your vote counts.  You will have sent out a clear message that unlike a majority of Americans, you are an American who does show up to vote.  Your vote was guaranteed to be cast.  No one had to prompt you to visit the polling place on election day.  You came because you love liberty.  Your vote was readily available for any candidate.  But not one of them earned it.  Not one.

[RetBobbyMI]

I'll take the 10%.  That's 10% of the vote that neither Trump or Hillary get.  I'm hoping that Castle will take in about 3% and my gut feeling is that Cruz write in's will be much larger than anyone ever expected...the scenario could very well deny both Trump or Hillary the majority needed.

Pretty clear choice with Darrel Castle.

[Hoodat]

Pretty clear choice with Darrel Castle.

Looks pretty darn Conservative to me.

[jmyrlefuller]

I will no more hand a strategy vote to Johnson, whose views I find largely deplorable, just to stop Trump than I will hand a strategy vote to Trump just to stop Hillary.  It's the same argument.  I reject it.

That's where we disagree. Johnson may be wrong, but Trump and Clinton are a whole different league of deplorable.

[jmyrlefuller]

They wouldn't have to give it to Johnson.  They could give it to whomever finished fourth or fifth.

Actually, the House is limited to the top three Electoral College vote-getters (as it would require at least three getting one vote to not get a majority in the College).

[The_Reader_David]

They wouldn't have to give it to Johnson.  They could give it to whomever finished fourth or fifth.

No.  Read the 12th Amendment.  The relevant part being:

...The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. . .

It's the top three finishers in electoral votes (or top two in the event of a tie at 269 each).

[libertybele]

No.  Read the 12th Amendment.  The relevant part being:

...The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. . .

It's the top three finishers in electoral votes (or top two in the event of a tie at 269 each).

Consider this scenario ... highly unlikely, but not impossible.

https://olddominionlibertarian.wordpress.com/2016/01/14/how-the-constitution-could-let-the-house-stop-both-clinton-and-trump/

[TomSea]

If anything, Trump helped Cruz's run as well.

[libertybele]

If anything, Trump helped Cruz's run as well.

  Usually, I'm not at a loss for words, but your logic leaves me dumbfounded!   

[Smokin Joe]

If anything, Trump helped Cruz's run as well.

I'm not sure what is in the water there, but I wouldn't drink any more of it.

[musiclady]

I'm not sure what is in the water there, but I wouldn't drink any more of it.

It's Trump love.

It turns healthy brains into mush.

(btw, this one, I believe CLAIMED to have supported Ted Cruz.  Methinks he's not being straight with us about that).

[Bigun]

It's Trump love.

It turns healthy brains into mush.

(btw, this one, I believe CLAIMED to have supported Ted Cruz.  Methinks he's not being straight with us about that).

Quote from: JustPassinThru on Today at 03:07:40 AM


THAT...is the core of the whole Conservative Movement.

And it terrifies the political class.  If government is made unimportant, irrelevant; and personalities minimized...what do we need with an Elite Political Class?

Today, thanks to the actions of the Elite Political Class, people are hurting - they are roiled and terrified for their future.  Cruz came forward with essentially this same message.  Trump came forward, and in his simpleton's vocabulary he promised "Great Deals" and "Working Smarter" - with a MORE powerful government.  He also slandered Cruz, and anyone who cared to look could see the lie.

Madison had it right.  The Constitution is only workable when used by a moral and religious people.  It is not a suitable governing tool for fools, for liars, for amoral legalists or those who choose to be ignorant.

He couldn't be any more right!

[TomSea]

Likewise, if the US gets hit by a big terror attack if Clinton is elected president, who will share that responsibility? People like Cruz.

[musiclady]

Quote from: JustPassinThru on Today at 03:07:40 AM


THAT...is the core of the whole Conservative Movement.

And it terrifies the political class.  If government is made unimportant, irrelevant; and personalities minimized...what do we need with an Elite Political Class?

Today, thanks to the actions of the Elite Political Class, people are hurting - they are roiled and terrified for their future.  Cruz came forward with essentially this same message.  Trump came forward, and in his simpleton's vocabulary he promised "Great Deals" and "Working Smarter" - with a MORE powerful government.  He also slandered Cruz, and anyone who cared to look could see the lie.

Madison had it right.  The Constitution is only workable when used by a moral and religious people.  It is not a suitable governing tool for fools, for liars, for amoral legalists or those who choose to be ignorant.

He couldn't be any more right!

That's a great post from JPT.....

Trump's popularity proves that we have lost the values that the Founders knew were necessary to keep the country afloat.

[Bigun]

Likewise, if the US gets hit by a big terror attack if Clinton is elected president, who will share that responsibility? People like Cruz.

Everyone who voted for the Iranian agent currently in the White House and ANY of his minions!  That's who!
 

[chae]

Honestly, I'm more scared of a Trump presidency than a Hilary one.  They both have the same ideas and beliefs, a bigger more intrusive nanny state governments. 
But I don't think that Hilary has the cult-like adoration even among her supporters that Trump does, For instance Harleylady's post on TOS that if Trump started randomly shooting people on the street she'd be right there egging him on and supporting him, and all the other freaks there agreeing with her. 
Hilary supporters seem to be more "eh well, she's all we got". 
Also, it's a vain hope I know but perhaps with a Dem president that isn't black, we might have some wusses in Washington willing to give a bit of opposition since now they'll just be sexiest and not racist too.

[musiclady]

Likewise, if the US gets hit by a big terror attack if Clinton is elected president, who will share that responsibility? People like Cruz.

Some time, Tom, you will have to tell us your story.......

Specifically how you were transformed so quickly from one who voted for and supported Cruz to one who despises him, mocks him, and blames him for everything that's wrong in the world.

Was it some sort of Trump miracle??  Or what??

@TomSea

[TomSea]

Clinton Obama per many people already have a big responsibility for the refugee crisis.

Brilliant, don't vote for their opposition, absolutely brilliant.

[musiclady]

Clinton Obama per many people already have a big responsibility for the refugee crisis.

Brilliant, don't vote for their opposition, absolutely brilliant.

We're voting our consciences and values.

That bothers you, doesn't it?

I mean that values stuff.......

[Drewsmum]

That's a great post from JPT.....

Trump's popularity proves that we have lost the values that the Founders knew were necessary to keep the country afloat.

 

[Bigun]

Clinton Obama per many people already have a big responsibility for the refugee crisis.

Brilliant, don't vote for their opposition, absolutely brilliant.

Except that what YOU deem the opposite is anything but the opposite! It's more of the same on steroids!

[Cripplecreek]

Everyone who voted for the Iranian agent currently in the White House and ANY of his minions!  That's who!

There will be terror attacks no matter who is president because its the world we live in now. Anyone who thinks Orange Glorious has some kind of magical power to shield us needs to burn their voter registration and seek treatment.

The best we could have hoped for was a president with the sense to fight terrorism effectively.

[Jewbacca]

Likewise, if the US gets hit by a big terror attack if Clinton is elected president, who will share that responsibility? People like Cruz.

That's insane. It's not Cruz's fault that Tump is a fraud.