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[240B]

I just found Babylon 5, all episodes, streaming and for FREE.


Check it out. https://www.go90.com/videos/9dcpZWjg5E4


I've had a desire to revisit the series for years. I've never had a chance to watch all the episodes in order, but I will now. This is pretty cool.

[kevindavis007]

I just found Babylon 5, all episodes, streaming and for FREE.


Check it out. https://www.go90.com/videos/9dcpZWjg5E4


I've had a desire to revisit the series for years. I've never had a chance to watch all the episodes in order, but I will now. This is pretty cool.

That show changed Sci-Fi for the better. I already saw it again, and it still holds up. Well except for Season 1 and Season 5.

[catfish1957]

It was a pilot which in my opinion tend to be the worst of any series.

Again this is from the creator of the "Family Guy" which is garbage.

Trey and Matt did a great parody of these dupes on South Park, where all their plots were randomly chosen by a manatee in tank with floating balls.  McFarlane is talentless tool.

[Ghost Bear]

Again this is from the creator of the "Family Guy" which is garbage.

Trey and Matt did a great parody of these dupes on South Park, where all their plots were randomly chosen by a manatee in tank with floating balls.  McFarlane is talentless tool.

While I don't care for McFarlane's attempts at comedy or SF, he does have a surprisingly good singing voice. He did the voice of the mouse character "Mike" in the animated film "Sing"...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViSv0rtOr1c

[240B]

That show changed Sci-Fi for the better. I already saw it again, and it still holds up. Well except for Season 1 and Season 5.

@kevindavis

Interesting stuff. Elements of DS9, or DS9 stole from Babylon, and definite traits of Battllestar Galactica. It is interesting. So far I'm diggin' it. Some elements of Star Trek too.

It seems to be like a stew, or a potpourri of all the Space shows of history.

There is no doubt that the people who wrote Capria were fans of Babylon. I have only seen a few episodes in my life, here and there, in no particular order. Looking forward to watching all 5 seasons. I like it.

[kevindavis007]

@kevindavis

Interesting stuff. Elements of DS9, or DS9 stole from Babylon, and definite traits of Battllestar Galactica. It is interesting. So far I'm diggin' it. Some elements of Star Trek too.

It seems to be like a stew, or a potpourri of all the Space shows of history.

There is no doubt that the people who wrote Capria were fans of Babylon. I have only seen a few episodes in my life, here and there, in no particular order. Looking forward to watching all 5 seasons. I like it.

@240B


Then I'm not going to say a thing.. But in Season 3, a certain someone from Star Trek shows up.  I think that DS9 does copy of some elements of B5.

[240B]

@240B


Then I'm not going to say a thing.. But in Season 3, a certain someone from Star Trek shows up.  I think that DS9 does copy of some elements of B5.

Already there. S1 E6 Mind Wars - Chekov (Anton Yelchin) is the lead.


You're not alone in thinking that DS9 was taken from Babylon 5. Check this out from Wikipedia.



Star Trek: Deep Space Nine controversy


The pilot episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (DS9) aired just weeks before Babylon 5 debuted. Babylon 5 creator J. Michael Straczynski indicated that Paramount Television was aware of his concept as early as 1989,[89] when he attempted to sell the show to the studio, and provided them with the series bible, pilot script, artwork, lengthy character background histories, and plot synopses for 22 "or so planned episodes taken from the overall course of the planned series".[90][91]


Paramount declined to produce Babylon 5, but later announced Deep Space Nine was in development, two months after Warner Bros. announced its plans for Babylon 5. Straczynski stated that, even though he was confident that Deep Space Nine producer/creators Rick Berman and Michael Piller had not seen this material, he suspected that Paramount executives used his bible and scripts to steer development of Deep Space Nine.[92][93][94]


He and Warner did not file suit against Paramount, largely because Straczynski didn't see it as a productive option, with negative repercussions for both TV series. In 1993 he responded to a Deep Space Nine fan who saw the lack of legal action as proof that Straczynski's allegation was unfounded, "If there is any (to use your term) winking and nudging going on, it's on the level of 'Okay, YOU (Paramount) know what happened, and *I* know what happened, but let's try to be grownup about it for now,' though I must say that the shapechanging thing nearly tipped me back over the edge again. If there are no more major similarities that crop up in the next few weeks or months, with luck we can continue that way."[94]

[LateForLunch]

Already there. S1 E6 Mind Wars - Chekov (Anton Yelchin) is the lead.


You're not alone in thinking that DS9 was taken from Babylon 5. Check this out from Wikipedia.



Star Trek: Deep Space Nine controversy


The pilot episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (DS9) aired just weeks before Babylon 5 debuted. Babylon 5 creator J. Michael Straczynski indicated that Paramount Television was aware of his concept as early as 1989,[89] when he attempted to sell the show to the studio, and provided them with the series bible, pilot script, artwork, lengthy character background histories, and plot synopses for 22 "or so planned episodes taken from the overall course of the planned series".[90][91]


Paramount declined to produce Babylon 5, but later announced Deep Space Nine was in development, two months after Warner Bros. announced its plans for Babylon 5. Straczynski stated that, even though he was confident that Deep Space Nine producer/creators Rick Berman and Michael Piller had not seen this material, he suspected that Paramount executives used his bible and scripts to steer development of Deep Space Nine.[92][93][94]


He and Warner did not file suit against Paramount, largely because Straczynski didn't see it as a productive option, with negative repercussions for both TV series. In 1993 he responded to a Deep Space Nine fan who saw the lack of legal action as proof that Straczynski's allegation was unfounded, "If there is any (to use your term) winking and nudging going on, it's on the level of 'Okay, YOU (Paramount) know what happened, and *I* know what happened, but let's try to be grownup about it for now,' though I must say that the shapechanging thing nearly tipped me back over the edge again. If there are no more major similarities that crop up in the next few weeks or months, with luck we can continue that way."[94]

Yep. Nice synopsis of the likely crappola. I know a lady in the 1980s who wrote a punk-vampire-movie script, tried to sell it, failed. Saw a wide-release movie where the first twenty minutes were lifted directly from her script without attribution to her. She spoke with an attorney whose first question was, "Did the movie that ripped you off make any money?" The answer was "no", the film lost money at the box office. He recommended that she drop it because there was nothing to be gained financially from winning the suit. 

"Hollywood is a long, plastic hallway - a shallow money trench where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs every day." - Hunter Thompson

As Cliff Robertson discovered, suing people successfully in H-Wood can often be a Pyrrhic victory.

[Ghost Bear]

Already there. S1 E6 Mind Wars - Chekov (Anton Yelchin) is the lead.

Small correction, it was the original "Chekov", Walter Koenig, who appeared on Babylon 5 in the role of Bester.

I think the character @kevindavis was referring to appears in two episodes of Season 2 of Babylon 5, playing the leader of a certain faction of the Earth Alliance military.  In mid-Season 3 however it's announced that his character is dead. The reason his character was killed off was because the actor, Robert Foxworth, had been booked to appear on ST:DS9, and the filming schedule for DS9 conflicted with B5's filming schedule. Rather than schedule around it, J. Michael Straczynski (creator of B5) killed off his character.

There's a well known outtake included in the B5 Season 3 Gag Reel (which can be found on YouTube) where instead of the death of Foxworth's character, it's announced that his character couldn't appear because he was on Deep Space Nine... his agent double-booked him. 

[kevindavis007]

Small correction, it was the original "Chekov", Walter Koenig, who appeared on Babylon 5 in the role of Bester.

I think the character @kevindavis was referring to appears in two episodes of Season 2 of Babylon 5, playing the leader of a certain faction of the Earth Alliance military.  In mid-Season 3 however it's announced that his character is dead. The reason his character was killed off was because the actor, Robert Foxworth, had been booked to appear on ST:DS9, and the filming schedule for DS9 conflicted with B5's filming schedule. Rather than schedule around it, J. Michael Straczynski (creator of B5) killed off his character.

There's a well known outtake included in the B5 Season 3 Gag Reel (which can be found on YouTube) where instead of the death of Foxworth's character, it's announced that his character couldn't appear because he was on Deep Space Nine... his agent double-booked him. 

@240B
@Ghost Bear



Close but no cigar.

[Ghost Bear]

Close but no cigar.

OK, now I'm all curious as to who you meant....   

[kevindavis007]

OK, now I'm all curious as to who you meant....   

Roddenberry

[Ghost Bear]

Roddenberry

Oh... yes. Now I know what you meant.  ^-^

[240B]

Small correction, it was the original "Chekov", Walter Koenig, who appeared on Babylon 5 in the role of Bester.

@Ghost Bear
@kevindavis


Thanks for the correction, it explains much. While searching for Chekov, Google said, Chekov was killed by his own car. That should have been a big red flag that I had the 'new' Chekov, but I wasn't really paying attention. My fault.

It was a little confusing. I'm not used to all these new guys assuming characters from the early 60s. To me, there is only one Chekov. I guess I will have to be more awake now, when I post about Star Trek.

[Ghost Bear]

@Ghost Bear
@kevindavis


Thanks for the correction, it explains much. While searching for Chekov, Google said, Chekov was killed by his own car. That should have been a big red flag that I had the 'new' Chekov, but I wasn't really paying attention. My fault.

It was a little confusing. I'm not used to all these new guys assuming characters from the early 60s. To me, there is only one Chekov. I guess I will have to be more awake now, when I post about Star Trek.

No worries. Babylon 5 was my favorite show for a number of years, and even though I haven't seen a full episode in 10-15 years now, I was enough of an obsessive fan back then to still remember the characters, plot lines, and events pretty well.

I need to get out my DVD set and rip the episodes to my Plex server so that I can watch them whenever I feel like seeing them...

[kevindavis007]

The new Star Trek theme song:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dYJ2dXKAIs

[Gefn]

I saw the premier episode of The Orville last night. Using the standard four star (****) critic scale, I gave it one star  (*).

Maybe it will get better as the series progresses (or maybe the episode will get better if I rewatch it).

The audience, overall, liked it:

Metacritic

Rotten Tomatoes

I was going to ask if anyone saw it. The first episode is free on iTunes. I downloaded it but haven't viewed it yet.

Ok it's several hours. Later I've seen it. It wasn't the worst I've ever seen but it wasn't the best. I'll give it one more shot and if it doesn't improve bye bye

[kevindavis007]

[Gefn]

@Hopalong Ginsberg

Deimos ping.

[240B]

Watching B5 S1 E17. I am so glad I happened onto that site. This is cool.
My TV supports casting, but I also have a direct HDMI link. The go90 website supports casting if you rightclick on the video. So, I've got the full picture and surround sound.


In reference to our earlier discussion, B5 is why DS9 invented the wormhole. It is exactly the same as the jump-port in B5. So, is does look more and more like DS9 is derived from Babylon. And to me, it looks like the jump fighters and the fact that all the main characters are fighter pilots was lifted from Battlestar G.


That's just my simple take on it. Any comments or corrections are always welcome.

[Free Vulcan]

Watching B5 S1 E17. I am so glad I happened onto that site. This is cool.
My TV supports casting, but I also have a direct HDMI link. The go90 website supports casting if you rightclick on the video. So, I've got the full picture and surround sound.


In reference to our earlier discussion, B5 is why DS9 invented the wormhole. It is exactly the same as the jump-port in B5. So, is does look more and more like DS9 is derived from Babylon. And to me, it looks like the jump fighters and the fact that all the main characters are fighter pilots was lifted from Battlestar G.


That's just my simple take on it. Any comments or corrections are always welcome.

I think you're right. One of the reasons I did like B5 is it it did have a bit of a Galactica feel to it, even if in reverse somewhat.

[240B]

I think you're right. One of the reasons I did like B5 is it it did have a bit of a Galactica feel to it, even if in reverse somewhat.

@Free Vulcan

B5 does seem to be an amalgam of several different shows. For example, B5 is following verbatim, the A-plot, B-plot, story structure which was instituted by TNG, e.g., A-plot: a meteor is going to blow up a friendly planet; B-plot: Data wants to understand why humans laugh.

B5 is using this format. In the B5 episode I just watched - A-plot: a famous Minbari's body has gone missing which may lead to war; B-plot: A newly discovered telepath must decide whether or not to join Psi-corps. It's the same format.

And, in agreement with your post, I got that space-opera Battlestar feeling right away. It is its own show with a unique storyline, but at the same time, it strikes me a being familiar and comfortable. It makes me think of what a composite show would look like if you threw them all in a pot, and made a Sci-Fi space soup.

[kevindavis007]

http://vimeo.com/ondemand/continuums1

[kevindavis007]

How To Watch ‘Star Trek: Discovery’
https://trekmovie.com/2017/09/15/how-to-watch-star-trek-discovery/

[LateForLunch]

How To Watch ‘Star Trek: Discovery’
https://trekmovie.com/2017/09/15/how-to-watch-star-trek-discovery/

Do you think there is even a remote chance the it will be free of political bull snot !?!