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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #1200 on: July 14, 2017, 04:30:46 pm »
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@ Freya, there are much, much better writers working today than Scalzi. I have not been impressed by his stuff and refuse to waste my money on any more of his dreck. He is also a nasty, smarmy little passive-aggressive POS.

Peter Grant, Sarah Hoyt, Brad Torgenson, Larry Corriea, John Ringo, and Michael Z. Williamson are head and shoulders above Scalzi.

I'm making notes of these writers and will check them out. Thanks for the information and tips, @Joe Wooten
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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #1201 on: July 14, 2017, 04:52:34 pm »
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@ Freya, there are much, much better writers working today than Scalzi. I have not been impressed by his stuff and refuse to waste my money on any more of his dreck. He is also a nasty, smarmy little passive-aggressive POS.

Peter Grant, Sarah Hoyt, Brad Torgenson, Larry Corriea, John Ringo, and Michael Z. Williamson are head and shoulders above Scalzi.

I loved some of the Scalzi novels, like "Old Man's War". 

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« Reply #1202 on: July 14, 2017, 05:47:25 pm »
I loved some of the Scalzi novels, like "Old Man's War".

Old man's War was the only decent thing he's ever written. The rest is dreck, including the sequels. I gave up on him after Redshirts, a poorly written piece of Trek fanfic.

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« Reply #1203 on: July 14, 2017, 08:57:45 pm »
Anyone else want to recommend some new/current/indie authors that they've read and liked?  I'll start with one: Christopher Nuttall.  I've read the first three books of his Ark Royal series and enjoyed them a lot!
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« Reply #1204 on: July 15, 2017, 01:09:00 am »
Anyone else want to recommend some new/current/indie authors that they've read and liked?  I'll start with one: Christopher Nuttall.  I've read the first three books of his Ark Royal series and enjoyed them a lot!

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« Reply #1205 on: July 15, 2017, 02:12:22 am »
Star Trek Discovery: 15 Biggest Differences From The Other Trek Series

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Star Trek may be one of the longest running science fiction franchises out there, with its fantastic tales of starships exploring the far reaches of the galaxy having engaged movie and television viewers since 1966, but it’s been off our TV screens for a long while now – twelve years, to be precise. That will soon change, as this September sees the premiere of Star Trek: Discovery, an ambitious new show set within the universe of the Federation – yes, the actual one, not the parallel universe from those lens flaring, CGI-heavy movies.

But despite being set in the same universe as the classic adventures of the Voyager and the various incarnations of the Enterprise, Discovery will be a very new take on Star Trek, with some big differences between it and the series that have come before. Some of these changes are inevitable, given the major shifts in how TV is made that have occurred since Enterprise finished its run in 2005. Other changes are more surprising and concern the characters and alien races we’ll meet.

So whether you’re a Trek purist and need to prepare yourself for any shocks, or a more easygoing viewer excited to see this new take on the franchise, here are fifteen of the things that will not be the same when the Discovery takes flight…
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« Reply #1206 on: July 15, 2017, 02:39:58 pm »
Star Trek Discovery: 15 Biggest Differences From The Other Trek Series

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And it's not clickbait because it's all on one page.


I'm ready to watch it and see how it is.
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« Reply #1207 on: July 15, 2017, 10:28:17 pm »
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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #1209 on: July 15, 2017, 11:26:16 pm »

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« Reply #1210 on: July 15, 2017, 11:40:27 pm »
I watched Star Trek episode 16 today (The Galileo Seven)

I've realized that Spock was a piss poor Vulcan and an even worse commander. He gets 2 redshirts killed, goes out to recon by himself, finds a redshirt body and brings it back and further endangers the crew to hold a funeral.

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« Reply #1211 on: July 15, 2017, 11:48:19 pm »
As I'm watching Firefly again (just finished watching SGU).


I can't help to wonder...


I have a feeling that our future is going to be like the following shows:


Firefly (unless we meet some aliens)
The Expanse (at least for the next 100 years)
with a little bit Star Trek tech


I just don't see us in a some peaceful Federation like in Star Trek..
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« Reply #1212 on: July 16, 2017, 12:04:07 am »
Has anyone seen CBS Salvation yet??
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« Reply #1213 on: July 16, 2017, 12:07:19 am »
Has anyone seen CBS Salvation yet??
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« Reply #1214 on: July 16, 2017, 04:20:52 pm »
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Some of the deeper thoughts of Gene Roddenbery - the Federation economy.

Roddenberry tried to create a genuine universe for his show. He pondered what sort of culture existed in the post -WWIII Earth Federation including their economy. He decided that in a post apocalyptic world neither capitalism nor socialism was practical. The only economic system that made any sense in a world where every resource was terribly valuable was a Real Wealth-based economy.

That is, an economic system in which the administrative apparatus exists to facilitate the best possible distribution and allocation of resources for the greatest common good in the rock-bottom pragmatic sense of the same way a commander on a battle field or a commander of a vessel on a long voyage would do.

An Appollo astronaut going to the moon does not have to buy materials or food - they are provided whatever they need to accomplish the mission - they aren't "cut off" if they run out of something and don't have enough funds in their budget to pay for it. There is no monetary system on a space voyage. If the captain decides that one of the crew needs something to accomplish the mission, they get it. Period.

Likewise, there are in such situations no questions of "fairness" either. No crew member of a voyage to the moon is going to complain that the other crew members are "getting more than their fair share" based on some Ideological Master Plan (like a philosophical manifesto). The mission parameters are clearly defined by the barest fundamental demarcations of necessity and goals - all clearly understood.

There is only one philosophy in such situations - to survive and to the extent possible, flourish with the least amount of waste, conflict, disruption, instability and chaos possible. This by necessity excludes all issue which might tend to bring conflict/distruption such as abstruse, hyper-intellectual abstractions arising from politics/philosophy.

Roddenberry postulated that the post-WWIII world would need a system different from the previous one both to minimise ideological conflict and to maximise efficiency and decided that would be a non-monetary, Real Wealth based system without a vast army of "middlemen" or "administrators" who existed in some detached, remote universe apart from the day-to-day activity of the people affected by their decisions. No banks, only warehouses. No lofty government officials, only humble local commanders and serious-minded military-like generals to coordinate logistics dispassionately.

In a Real Wealth-based economy only things with actual value in the real world, (natural resources, goods, raw materials, skills, education, training, real-world experience, machinery) have value.There is therefore, no way for useless accumulation of "interest" by those who manipulate the monetary system with cleaverness and avarice. All that exists are credits assigned for real wealth and everyone has a basic number of credits assigned at birth sufficient to entitle them to provide their basic biological needs (food, shelter, clothing, housing, security, medical care). There are no brokers, bankers, agents, lawyers to take a chunk of the real wealth of the system based on some monetary standard.

Those whose need for more resources based on their achievements are granted them by the local community. Geniuses who can create breakthroughs in technology receive more resources than janitors who clean toilets or bureaucrats who facilitate distribution of grain.

Roddenberry decided that those who were less useful would merely receive less resources, not be allowed to sink down into desperate poverty and despair. Those who could not or would not perform useful functions would not starve, but would get menial tasks assigned and the minimaum allocation of resources. Deviates who created trouble were either incarcertated humanely in an environment where they were treated as sick, not wicked - unless they proved themselves to be too dangerous. Only the most dangerous deviates were actually given up on and simply incarcerated indefinitely or executed. Most people who couldn't be made to provide useful functions in exchange for their basic needs being provided would be subjected to efforts to rehabilitiate them (cure their emotional illness) and then placed in environments where they would be the least trouble to the system.

Of course, Roddenberry's world has a serious underpopulation problem because most of the population of the Earth was killed off in the wars (first in the Big One, then in internecine conflicts afteward which further decimated an already-reeling planet). Overpopulation did not create a situation where people were not needed for the workforce. There were not too many people and not enough jobs.

What is great about Roddenberry's Real Wealth system is that is is the most efficient meritocracy possible, because it is based on results, not conformity to some abstract idea. It is the realization of the goal of both capitalism (to further prosperity and strength of society through investment of resources and rewarding creativity/accomplishment)  and of socialism ( to allocate resources and wealth to those most able to utilise them for the most pragmatic reasons).

One of the reasons that Communism failed to achieve a better world was because it retained the monetary system and all of the parasitic tendencies inherent in such systems (the acumulation of power/resources in the control of an elite administrative/bureaucratic apparatus instead of the local population). Communist Russia was, just like Tsarist Russia a top-down oligarchic economic/administrative system. Roddenberry postulated a ground-up culture, economic system and government instead of a top-down.

Thus, a Real Wealth-based system accomplished the best envoronment for all of the goals of Classical  Liberalism (egalitrianism, equitable justice for all, fair taxation, LIMITED GOVERNMENT, ethical governance, elimintion of immorality from social/government systems) because power is no longer able to concentrated in those who controlled a symbolic monetary system.

The functions of the Federation's government were limited to facilitating efficiency at all local levels, cooperation between local entities toward mutally-agreed upon common goals (such as when a scientific team led by scientist Zeffran Cochran create warp drive in "First Contact") and was acting primarily as a facilitating apparatus, not a detached, self-perpetuating Oligarchy.

Other great creative people who have seen the promise of Real Wealth-based economic systems are SF Grand Master Ursula K. LeGuin (a benevolent, infinitely rational/efficient/practical Ecumenical Foundation governs her future worlds) and of course the preminent genius/polymath R. Buckminster Fuller.

One of the most under-apprecieted books of our time is likely Bucky Fuller's magnum opus "Critical Path"*, which in addition to providing a materful overview of how technology and free-market economics have improved the world (especially for those at the lower end of the economic scale) over the centuries, explores in detail how a Real Wealth-based economic system might well prove to be the salvation of the world and allow us at long last to break free of all conflicts of socialsm/capitalism and into at world that is truly beyond politics.

*Critical Path had only one really glaring error that I could find - that of Fuller's belief in carbon driven AGW. The AGW movement was just getting started when Fuller wrote Critical Path and he was, as many other technically bright people, taken in by the charade of so many "scientists" being seduced into allowing their objectivity to be bastardized by politics. Fuller was a fairly innocent-minded person and he could not easily believe that his fellow scientists would sell out to politics by taking positions on things like AGW for purely political purposes. He died shortly after publishing Critical Path, long before the parade of scandals that revealed AGW as the leftist political scam that is clearly and demonstrably is. So I give the kind hearted, ethical Fuller a pass on his error in believing in AGW because he couldn't believe that scientists would ever be so corrupt as to deliberately lie about their research on carbon-driven climate change.
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« Reply #1215 on: July 16, 2017, 04:28:32 pm »
As much as I love ST, Roddenberry really started infusing utopian socialist ideas during TNG.  I just did my best to grit my teeth and shrug it off.  Thankfully Berman gradually tapered off on this garbage, and by ST Enterprise, had pretty much dropped it all together.
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« Reply #1216 on: July 16, 2017, 04:55:10 pm »
Has anyone seen CBS Salvation yet??

My wife and I just found out about it this morning, by seeing an ad for it while watching today's CBS Sunday Morning.  We realized that lately we just haven't been watching much "live" television, everything has been on DVR (where we fast-forward through the commercials) or on Hulu, Netflix, or some other streaming service.

We added it to the record list on our DVR. The first episode is available on CBS.com, now we'll just have to figure out the best way to get it from there to our television...
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« Reply #1217 on: July 16, 2017, 05:09:30 pm »
As much as I love ST, Roddenberry really started infusing utopian socialist ideas during TNG.  I just did my best to grit my teeth and shrug it off.  Thankfully Berman gradually tapered off on this garbage, and by ST Enterprise, had pretty much dropped it all together.

Roddenberry reportedly had little to do with TNG other than allowing his name to be attached to the show as a sales ploy (he rewrote the  "bible" with Berman) and nothing whatsoever after season #1. It is likely that financial difficulties drove the inclusion of any PC elements and that they eminated more from Berman than Roddenberry.
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« Reply #1218 on: July 16, 2017, 05:49:04 pm »
Roddenberry reportedly had little to do with TNG other than allowing his name to be attached to the show as a sales ploy (he rewrote the  "bible" with Berman) and nothing whatsoever after season #1. It is likely that financial difficulties drove the inclusion of any PC elements and that they eminated more from Berman than Roddenberry.

Not disputing that, but why did Berman gradually abandon most of these backhanded socialist digs as the franchise aged?
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« Reply #1219 on: July 16, 2017, 06:41:43 pm »
@LateForLunch I don't think Fuller comprehended that the 'dacha' attitude, that of being an 'elite', was so desirable to some (not to mention the trillions of dollars potential to be made in all those 'carbon credits' on the exchange) that it could possibly corrupt scientists.

Fuller, like most competent scientists, likely had difficulty even envisioning scientists intentionally falsifying or skewing data to support a conclusion that was not true. After all, the goal of science--inquiry and to find the right answer, the reward is in the discovery even more than the recognition--although the latter should follow in a world where prestige and money are less the goal than furthering our knowledge of the universe.

Unfortunately, that got corrupted by a serious profit motive, as the 'prestige' of being at the forefront of even a Piltdown discovery became a cash cow to be milked through grants and speaking engagements and ultimately, power and control enough to keep milking the cow, regardless of the damage perpetrated as a result of the fraud.

Sure, there have always been a scattering of charlatans out there, and some who have been erroneous in their postulations, some fooled by knaves, and others who lacked crucial evidence which later came to light, but the object is to eliminate those errors and learn. But the unspeakable act, the sacrilege, if you will, would be to intentionally corrupt the pool of knowledge, or upon discovering an error to fail to correct it and allow it to pollute the thoughts of those who follow, effectively throwing them off the scent. It is, among scientists, the unpardonable sin.  The time is long past when those who have dumped the AGW fraud on mankind can plead error, they have doubled down too many times, insisted on 'adjusting' too many data sets, and kept their information concealed so the data cannot be reviewed and results independently verified--all red flags to the scientist--and signs something is amiss.
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« Reply #1220 on: July 16, 2017, 07:01:46 pm »
My wife and I just found out about it this morning, by seeing an ad for it while watching today's CBS Sunday Morning.  We realized that lately we just haven't been watching much "live" television, everything has been on DVR (where we fast-forward through the commercials) or on Hulu, Netflix, or some other streaming service.

We added it to the record list on our DVR. The first episode is available on CBS.com, now we'll just have to figure out the best way to get it from there to our television...

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The answer is named "ROKU".  https://www.roku.com/whats-on Don't waste your time with the stick. Get a Roku 3. I have a 2 in my shop,and a 3 in the house. I use it to pull in stuff like Netlix,Amazon,Hulu,Vudu,Direct tv,etc,etc,etc. All told,I have the ability to pull in a little over 2,000 channels,and most of them are free.

I got rid of my sat dish and now stream Direct TV and HBO over my Roku. My Direct tv bill went from around 90 bucks to $42.70,and I get more channels now.

On top of that I have a RCA HD antenna (bought from amazon for around 45 bucks) mounted on a steel pole outside,and pull in 43 broadcast channels from that despite living 54 miles from the closest broadcast. It works so well I bought another one for my tv out in my work shop.

IF you go this route,you might also be interested in getting a Channel Master tuner  http://www.channelmaster.com/ so you can record some of the shows to watch when you have the time. They now come with a 1TB hard drive recorder built in them,and you can plug in a remote HDD of whatever size  you want.

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« Reply #1221 on: July 16, 2017, 07:09:47 pm »
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The answer is named "ROKU".  https://www.roku.com/whats-on Don't waste your time with the stick. Get a Roku 3. I have a 2 in my shop,and a 3 in the house. I use it to pull in stuff like Netlix,Amazon,Hulu,Vudu,Direct tv,etc,etc,etc. All told,I have the ability to pull in a little over 2,000 channels,and most of them are free.

I got rid of my sat dish and now stream Direct TV and HBO over my Roku. My Direct tv bill went from around 90 bucks to $42.70,and I get more channels now.

On top of that I have a RCA HD antenna (bought from amazon for around 45 bucks) mounted on a steel pole outside,and pull in 43 broadcast channels from that despite living 54 miles from the closest broadcast. It works so well I bought another one for my tv out in my work shop.

IF you go this route,you might also be interested in getting a Channel Master tuner  http://www.channelmaster.com/ so you can record some of the shows to watch when you have the time. They now come with a 1TB hard drive recorder built in them,and you can plug in a remote HDD of whatever size  you want.

Thanks for the advice, but we actually have a Fire TV, which works pretty much the same as a Roku.  I just didn't remember if there was a CBS app available for it. I just checked Amazon and there is, so we'll probably be able to watch the first episode of "Salvation" tonight, provided that it's available through the CBS app (I'm guessing it is...)
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« Reply #1222 on: July 16, 2017, 07:24:50 pm »
Thanks for the advice, but we actually have a Fire TV, which works pretty much the same as a Roku.  I just didn't remember if there was a CBS app available for it. I just checked Amazon and there is, so we'll probably be able to watch the first episode of "Salvation" tonight, provided that it's available through the CBS app (I'm guessing it is...)

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A Roku will plug into your Fire Tv,as well as any generic smart tv,and you will not be restricted to only watching programs Amazon has contracts with.

For example,I just signed up for the 30 day trial program for HBO because Game of Thrones starts tonight,and I can now get all the regular HBO programming for $14.99 per month. Right now I am taking a slight break from binge-watching season 6 so I will be up to speed on season 7.

Like war movies? Roku has channels dedicated to nothing but war movies. Almost all are free.

Like sci-fi movies? Roku has channels dedicated to nothing but Sci-Fi movies or tv shows. Almost all are free.

Same for channels for lovers of musicals,sit-coms,horror,historical movies,etc,etc,etc. If  you can think of it,someone has a channel that streams nothing but there.

There is even stuff like an Autism channel about autism,treatment,research,etc,etc,etc.

And there are no monthy fees to Roku for any of it. If you decide to subscribe to Direct TV,HBO,Showtime,or any other subscription channel,you can pay directly through your Roku account and get them at a  slight discount. Beats the hell out of trying to keep track of multiple tv/movie bills.

As for broadcast channels,you can pull them all in for free on the Channel Master. In fact,I get 3 CBS,3 NBC,3 ABC,each with unique programming for that station,2 PBS,and a bunch of independent channels over mine,as well as some streaming channels. No monthly fee for any of it.
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« Reply #1223 on: July 16, 2017, 11:51:30 pm »
Its finally happened.

The next Doctor who will be a female (Jodie Whittaker). I'm not thrilled with the idea but I'll give her a shot.



Going female with The Master/Missy (The Mistress) worked out OK but I'm not sure it will transfer to the Dr as well.

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« Reply #1224 on: July 16, 2017, 11:57:57 pm »
Its finally happened.





She's hot.  Guess Dr. Who is taking the same approach Fox did with news.
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