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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #500 on: November 10, 2016, 01:30:11 pm »
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Leon Uris?
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« Reply #501 on: November 11, 2016, 02:24:13 am »
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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #502 on: November 11, 2016, 03:00:15 am »
Take a look at this:



Yes, I saw that earlier today.  I doubt I'll see it... it doesn't really appeal to me for various reasons.  :shrug:
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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #503 on: November 11, 2016, 03:04:11 am »
Yes, I saw that earlier today.  I doubt I'll see it... it doesn't really appeal to me for various reasons.  :shrug:


It is different, I'll wait till it is on Hulu or Amazon..
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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #504 on: November 11, 2016, 03:58:13 am »

It is different, I'll wait till it is on Hulu or Amazon..

It's by the same guy who did "The Fifth Element", which was rather quirky.
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« Reply #505 on: November 11, 2016, 04:10:31 am »
It's by the same guy who did "The Fifth Element", which was rather quirky.

I didn't know that, but it reminded me a lot of that movie. Now I know why.

It looks it could be a bit of fun, but I have a feeling we just saw all the best parts...

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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #506 on: November 11, 2016, 01:29:21 pm »
Leon Uris?

I have his books in my library. I wonder if they are still in print.
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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #507 on: November 11, 2016, 01:31:06 pm »

It is different, I'll wait till it is on Hulu or Amazon..


Amazon is advertising "The Man in the High Castle" a lot on TV. It's on Prime next month. The one I'm waiting for is "Mars" on the National Geographic Channel
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« Reply #508 on: November 11, 2016, 01:34:59 pm »
I wonder how that is going to work.  Season one had a very definite ending.

I didn't see it. I did see all of "Red Dwarf XI" last night. Bought it on iTunes.

One of my top five TV shows of all time.
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« Reply #509 on: November 11, 2016, 05:27:34 pm »
I have his books in my library. I wonder if they are still in print.
I don't know. I'm not sure if I still have mine or not. I haven't reorganized my library since the fire, I did lose some 500 volumes in that. Some of those will not likely be replaced (they were even more rare than I knew).
Check Allibris or Abe booksellers, and there are others out there if you are looking for copies.
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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #510 on: November 11, 2016, 09:26:11 pm »
I don't know. I'm not sure if I still have mine or not. I haven't reorganized my library since the fire, I did lose some 500 volumes in that. Some of those will not likely be replaced (they were even more rare than I knew).
Check Allibris or Abe booksellers, and there are others out there if you are looking for copies.
I really need to get on the stick and build some bookcases and get the rest out of storage.

@Freya also, I checked Amazon, it looks like he has several books still in print, some in paperback form and some in e-book form.
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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #511 on: November 13, 2016, 03:56:17 pm »
Back when "The Martian" first came out all the science publications fawned all over the good science included in the film.

Now that I've seen it I have to assume that most of the 'good science' was buried under mountains of science fiction. Things like martian winds blowing large heavy objects around and even threatening to topple a spacecraft are questionable at best. The martian atmosphere is so thin a 100 mph wind only has the force of a 10 mph breeze. They later contradicted their forceful wind image by launching without a nose cone because the atmosphere is so thin.

The idea of growing taters with minimal soil preparation goes off into a whole new set of reality issues.

The orbital mechanics appeared to be mostly OK science.

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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #512 on: November 13, 2016, 04:00:29 pm »
Back when "The Martian" first came out all the science publications fawned all over the good science included in the film.

Now that I've seen it I have to assume that most of the 'good science' was buried under mountains of science fiction. Things like martian winds blowing large heavy objects around and even threatening to topple a spacecraft are questionable at best. The martian atmosphere is so thin a 100 mph wind only has the force of a 10 mph breeze. They later contradicted their forceful wind image by launching without a nose cone because the atmosphere is so thin.

The idea of growing taters with minimal soil preparation goes off into a whole new set of reality issues.

The orbital mechanics appeared to be mostly OK science.

@Cripplecreek , do you have iTunes on your computer? The first episode of National Geographic's "Mars" starts tomorrow night, but you can download it for free right now.

Very very good, and pass the popcorn.
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« Reply #513 on: November 13, 2016, 04:16:38 pm »
@Cripplecreek , do you have iTunes on your computer? The first episode of National Geographic's "Mars" starts tomorrow night, but you can download it for free right now.

Very very good, and pass the popcorn.

I'll be watching it on TV. I've been waiting for it.

Technically fiction but based on real science.

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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #514 on: November 13, 2016, 08:25:32 pm »
Back when "The Martian" first came out all the science publications fawned all over the good science included in the film.

Now that I've seen it I have to assume that most of the 'good science' was buried under mountains of science fiction. Things like martian winds blowing large heavy objects around and even threatening to topple a spacecraft are questionable at best. The martian atmosphere is so thin a 100 mph wind only has the force of a 10 mph breeze. They later contradicted their forceful wind image by launching without a nose cone because the atmosphere is so thin.

The idea of growing taters with minimal soil preparation goes off into a whole new set of reality issues.

The orbital mechanics appeared to be mostly OK science.

You should read the original book that the movie was based on.  As is nearly always the case, the book was much better about such things as you noticed in the movie, getting things right (as much as we can tell) pretty much all the time.
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« Reply #515 on: November 13, 2016, 09:59:04 pm »
You should read the original book that the movie was based on.  As is nearly always the case, the book was much better about such things as you noticed in the movie, getting things right (as much as we can tell) pretty much all the time.

One thing I did like was the fact that they didn't depict loneliness driving him to insanity. I'd talk to myself a lot but would be fine in isolation like that.

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« Reply #516 on: November 13, 2016, 10:12:14 pm »
One thing I did like was the fact that they didn't depict loneliness driving him to insanity. I'd talk to myself a lot but would be fine in isolation like that.
As long as you like yourself, you can get along pretty well alone, if you aren't so hurt or so sick you need a hand. You might miss people, but the company you keep will be agreeable.
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« Reply #517 on: November 13, 2016, 11:51:59 pm »
As long as you like yourself, you can get along pretty well alone, if you aren't so hurt or so sick you need a hand. You might miss people, but the company you keep will be agreeable.

Yup. I decided years ago that I'm pretty good company and routinely go several days without talking to anyone face to face or even over the phone.

Having internet access from mars would help even with the time lag.

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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #518 on: November 14, 2016, 04:19:07 pm »
The first full length trailer for the live-action "Ghost in the Shell" movie, starring Scarlett Johansson, is out:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vctm5VD7qKQ

Some interesting visuals, I can see where they're drawing a lot of inspiration from the anime movie and the Stand Alone Complex anime series, at least for the look of the movie. I still think it would have been better for them to have gone with a Japanese actress, though.  :shrug:
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« Reply #519 on: November 14, 2016, 06:32:45 pm »
nudity and lesbianism right off the bat.

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« Reply #520 on: November 14, 2016, 06:59:51 pm »
nudity and lesbianism right off the bat.

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Yep. We're all naked under our clothes, but gratuitous homosexuality is an absolute no-go.
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Re: The Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Spy, and Superhero Genre
« Reply #521 on: November 14, 2016, 07:30:07 pm »
nudity and lesbianism right off the bat.

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Is it really nudity when the body in question is cybernetic and not human?
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« Reply #522 on: November 14, 2016, 07:31:28 pm »
Is it really nudity when the body in question is cybernetic and not human?

yes, because cybernetic bodies do not exist

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« Reply #523 on: November 14, 2016, 07:40:15 pm »
yes, because cybernetic bodies do not exist

body paint ain't clothes either

*checks the thread title again*  :facepalm2:

OK... in the movie, SJ is playing a character who's body is not human, except for her brain... her body is a cybernetic replacement, hence the title "Ghost in the Shell", referring to her soul inhabiting a metal construct.

Also, flesh-colored tights do exist, and so does CGI.
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« Reply #524 on: November 14, 2016, 07:46:16 pm »
I sort of got spoiled for any live action Ghost in the Shell movie, since I think the original movie (not the series) was one of the most beautiful, artful, and evocative pieces of cinema of all time.
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