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Trump's fatal mistake on women
« on: April 28, 2016, 05:59:46 am »
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/27/opinions/trump-woman-card-ben-ghiat/index.html

 (CNN)It's no secret that Donald Trump has a problem with women. So it's no surprise that he has started to attack his main rival for the American presidency, Hillary Clinton, on gender grounds, claiming that she lacks the strength, stamina, and credibility to run the country.

Yet Trump should think twice before turning the looming showdown with Clinton into a referendum on whether women are fit to serve in America's highest office. If he takes this tack, he will be revealed for who he is: a weak candidate whose attitudes represent America's past, not its future.

Trump may change his political positions frequently, refining his messaging to match his audience, but on women and gender issues he has remained remarkably stable over decades. In situations where he holds the reins of control, he can be pro-woman: he has rewarded and elevated high-performing female employees of his businesses, most of all his daughter Ivanka.

It's another story with women in general, those who exist outside of his authority. These women are the "dogs," "slobs" and "fat pigs" of Trump's world, with a special status reserved for females who challenge him: cue the insults he directed at his former GOP rival Carly Fiorina, and at Fox journalist Megyn Kelly after she asked him tough questions in a 2015 GOP debate.

There's an old adage that bullies resort to aggression to hide their fearful and insecure natures. Trump's ongoing fixation with female bodily functions -- "disgusting" is a common adjective he uses about women -- suggests that behind his rambunctiousness lies a great anxiety about female bodies and female power.

He is on record speculating that Kelly might have been menstruating when she interrogated him on camera; feeling sick ("I don't want to talk about it... it's too disgusting") when thinking about Clinton's extended bathroom break during a 2015 Democratic debate; and telling a lawyer who asked for a break to breast-feed her infant in 2011 she, again, was "disgusting."

In Clinton, Trump finds his ultimate adversary, a woman who brings him onto shaky ground. It's logical that he would tell the nation in last night's speech, that being a woman is the only source of her appeal to voters: in some ways, he cannot see past her gender.

But by using the "woman card," the Trump campaign commits a grave error, showing the weakness of its overall hand. It implies that Trump has little else to damage Clinton, at least at the moment.

He cannot claim greater experience than the former senator and secretary of state in global affairs or politics -- areas American and world leaders are gravely concerned about. His uncensored and exuberant personality contrasts poorly with her steady and unflappable demeanor -- qualities that are on more lists of leadership qualities, last time I checked. And he's got to be careful on the earnings and elitism issues that rivals have raised about Clinton, since he is part of that same world.

One thing to consider as the Trump campaign heads into this woman territory: His woman problem is also our culture's problem. Questioning women about their toughness, and doubting their focus and commitment to leadership roles, has been enshrined in our national discourse, backed up by salary inequities -- the roughly 78 cents women nationally still earn to every male dollar.

And let's recall that America has had versions of these gender wars before. Geraldine Ferraro's 1984 nomination as the Democratic vice presidential candidate brought forth similar issues. Indeed, every woman who has run for or occupied prominent political or corporate positions has had to be authoritative without seeming domineering, assertive without seeming too aggressive.

In gender matters, as in the fields of entrepreneurship and business, Trump reflects our collective attitudes back to us -- and this is part of his charismatic appeal.

But America is changing, and gender has been an important barometer of that recently.

The Supreme Court's validation of same-sex marriages, the U.S. military's commitment to full gender integration, and the growing intolerance for sexual violence and sexual harassment form part of a broad social shift that recognizes women's autonomy, value, and integrity.

Trump's comment in his primary victory speech Tuesday night that Clinton "doesn't have the strength, the stamina... she will not be good with the military, she will not be good at protecting the country," seems, frankly, old-fashioned.

And a clip circulating on the internet of Mary Pat Christie, wife of Trump's former rival Chris Christie, appeared to show her rolling her eyes at his comment that the "only thing she's [Clinton] got going is the woman's card. And the beautiful thing is women don't like her, OK?"

Whether Mary Pat Christie really was registering a reaction to that statement, we can't know for sure -- but many watching at home were likely rolling their own eyes.

Because, whether Trump likes it or not, America seems poised to have its first female presidential candidate. Insulting women not only risks alienating half the voting population, and the men who admire and respect them, but is out of touch with what America stands for today.
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Re: Trump's fatal mistake on women
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2016, 06:14:16 am »
Poor Ruthie another Trump hater.  Why do liberals attack Trump if he is one of them as the anti-Trumps allege?

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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2016, 06:16:54 am »
Poor Ruthie another Trump hater. 

The tinfoil is on tight tonite I see.

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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2016, 06:20:26 am »
The tinfoil is on tight tonite I see.

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You posted the liberal crap.

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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2016, 06:24:18 am »
You posted the liberal crap.

That you can't refute beyond tin foil conspiracy theories, whining about Trump-haters. A liberal term I might add.

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Re: Trump's fatal mistake on women
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2016, 06:28:20 am »
I wonder why all my friends even some going back well over 50 years are voting Trump. Even I was surprised at how many are and they are women. Even my 20 year old granddaughter is and believe you me she has a mind of her own so I sure didn't influence her in fact she surprised me and she is talking many of her friend into voting for him. I am a college grad and have never been blue color nor is my daughter in laws or any other of my family. There are plenty of free thinking smart women voting for Trump. His children are something to behold you couldn't ask for nicer or smarter children so he did something right plus I have looked him up and read a lot about him. I still don't see what anyone would have against Trump. I knew when I read about Obama that he was evil but Trump is not at all evil everyone should be so blessed. I have yet to talk to any woman lately that isn't voting Trump.

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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2016, 07:19:02 am »
That you can't refute beyond tin foil conspiracy theories, whining about Trump-haters. A liberal term I might add.

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From your link;  Trump may change his political positions frequently, refining his messaging to match his audience, but on women and gender issues he has remained remarkably stable over decades. In situations where he holds the reins of control, he can be pro-woman: he has rewarded and elevated high-performing female employees of his businesses, most of all his daughter Ivanka.

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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2016, 03:02:11 pm »
From your link;  Trump may change his political positions frequently, refining his messaging to match his audience, but on women and gender issues he has remained remarkably stable over decades. In situations where he holds the reins of control, he can be pro-woman: he has rewarded and elevated high-performing female employees of his businesses, most of all his daughter Ivanka.

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I think the sarcasm there flew over your head.
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Re: Trump's fatal mistake on women
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2016, 03:23:33 pm »
I wonder why all my friends even some going back well over 50 years are voting Trump. Even I was surprised at how many are and they are women. Even my 20 year old granddaughter is and believe you me she has a mind of her own so I sure didn't influence her in fact she surprised me and she is talking many of her friend into voting for him. I am a college grad and have never been blue color nor is my daughter in laws or any other of my family. There are plenty of free thinking smart women voting for Trump. His children are something to behold you couldn't ask for nicer or smarter children so he did something right plus I have looked him up and read a lot about him. I still don't see what anyone would have against Trump. I knew when I read about Obama that he was evil but Trump is not at all evil everyone should be so blessed. I have yet to talk to any woman lately that isn't voting Trump.

No wonder you support Trump.
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Re: Trump's fatal mistake on women
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2016, 03:30:19 pm »
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(CNN)It's no secret that Donald Trump has a problem with women.

Yes, that must be why he clobbered Crusich for the women vote in every state on Tuesday.

The liberal media narrative is set, and we have so-called "conservatives" parroting those liberal attacks.

I'm DISGUSTED.
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2016, 03:38:36 pm »
Yes, that must be why he clobbered Crusich for the women vote in every state on Tuesday.

The liberal media narrative is set, and we have so-called "conservatives" parroting those liberal attacks.

I'm DISGUSTED.

You mean in those basement level turnout contests where it takes several states to equal the vote in Wisconsin? And PA had barely more votes than North Carolina? It's like being the smartest guy on the short bus.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,203972.0.html
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Re: Trump's fatal mistake on women
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2016, 03:54:36 pm »
I wonder why all my friends even some going back well over 50 years are voting Trump. Even I was surprised at how many are and they are women. Even my 20 year old granddaughter is and believe you me she has a mind of her own so I sure didn't influence her in fact she surprised me and she is talking many of her friend into voting for him. I am a college grad and have never been blue color nor is my daughter in laws or any other of my family. There are plenty of free thinking smart women voting for Trump. His children are something to behold you couldn't ask for nicer or smarter children so he did something right plus I have looked him up and read a lot about him. I still don't see what anyone would have against Trump. I knew when I read about Obama that he was evil but Trump is not at all evil everyone should be so blessed. I have yet to talk to any woman lately that isn't voting Trump.

It's the polls versus anecdotal evidence of Trump's popularity.  Almost every poll shows him with huge net negatives overall, with women, Hispanics and other groups.  Yet his supporters say "every one of ______ I talk to like him".  Go figure.  And while polls during the silly season do move much more than issue based surveys, still, Trump hasn't made much if any headway looking toward a general election.  The only thing he's got going for him in November is Hillary is just as unpopular if not more so.  And depending on the timing of the FBI report, Trump could have Uncle Joe as his opponent.  I wouldn't put any money on Trump at that point.
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Re: Trump's fatal mistake on women
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2016, 06:16:50 pm »
I think the sarcasm there flew over your head.

You're in Cruzader dreamland.  :silly:

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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2016, 06:20:19 pm »
Yes, that must be why he clobbered Crusich for the women vote in every state on Tuesday.

The liberal media narrative is set, and we have so-called "conservatives" parroting those liberal attacks.

I'm DISGUSTED.

The Cruzaders have their heads buried in liberal polls and fantasies.

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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2016, 06:44:31 pm »
The Cruzaders have their heads buried in liberal polls and fantasies.

Which polls favor him in the general election?  Do any of them show Trump with anything close to a net positive favorability? 
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2016, 06:47:59 pm »
You're in Cruzader dreamland.  :silly:

I get it, you didn't understand what she was saying.
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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2016, 06:52:24 pm »
You mean in those basement level turnout contests where it takes several states to equal the vote in Wisconsin? And PA had barely more votes than North Carolina? It's like being the smartest guy on the short bus.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,203972.0.html

Percentages are percentages.  Women who voted flocked to Trump.  Crusich got schlonged.  Seems like Crusich is the one with the "fatal mistake on women."   :whistle:
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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2016, 06:58:03 pm »
Percentages are percentages.  Women who voted flocked to Trump.  Crusich got schlonged.  Seems like Crusich is the one with the "fatal mistake on women."   :whistle:

I guess if you think winning beauty contests in the blue strongholds of the NE qualifies as a big win, then enjoy the stuff you are smoking. Hillary's gonna romp there in November.

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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2016, 06:58:17 pm »
Percentages are percentages.  Women who voted flocked to Trump.  Crusich got schlonged.  Seems like Crusich is the one with the "fatal mistake on women."   :whistle:

You are making the fatal mistake of confusing the GOP primary electorate with the general electorate.  In the general electorate Trump gets creamed like a cicada on the windshield of a speeding car. 

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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2016, 06:59:29 pm »
Check out Mary Pat Christie's eye-roll during Trump's remarks about how "women don't like Clinton".
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Re: Trump's fatal mistake on women
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2016, 07:14:42 pm »
You are making the fatal mistake of confusing the GOP primary electorate with the general electorate.  In the general electorate Trump gets creamed like a cicada on the windshield of a speeding car.

That makes the OP article even more stupid.  GOP females flocked to Trump.  I guess they didn't get the memo that they were supposed to never vote for him.

The fun thing about you anti-Trumps is watching every criticism be blown up by reality.

Meanwhile, Ted and Carly are picking out the curtains for their fake Oval Office.
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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2016, 07:16:47 pm »
Which polls favor him in the general election?  Do any of them show Trump with anything close to a net positive favorability?

The only polls that I put any stock in at all are those held weeks before the general election. The numbers clearly show Trump is the most popular GOP candidate despite his alleged unfavorability ratings.

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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2016, 07:20:21 pm »
I get it, you didn't understand what she was saying.

I understand she is a liberal HuffPo Trump hater that you find credible.  :silly:

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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2016, 07:24:19 pm »
I understand she is a liberal HuffPo Trump hater that you find credible.  :silly:

Well then I think counterarguments should be easy then. Calling her a hater is a bit hypocritical.
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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2016, 07:59:30 pm »
The only polls that I put any stock in at all are those held weeks before the general election. The numbers clearly show Trump is the most popular GOP candidate despite his alleged unfavorability ratings.

I've not seen any numbers showing him as popular with the electorate in general as either Cruz or Kasich.  Trump shouldn't presume anything past July 21st.  And I'm guessing his campaign chiefs are telling him that.  After all, he's the one constantly saying how everyone loves him.  Someone should tell him that right now, most don't...at least according to the numbers.   
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