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http://dailysignal.com/2016/02/23/man-allowed-to-use-womens-locker-room-at-swimming-pool-without-citing-gender-identity/

A man claimed a right to use a women’s locker room at a public swimming pool after his partial undressing there caused alarm.

According to Seattle Parks and Recreation, women alerted staff at Evans Pool staff when a man wearing swim trunks entered the women’s locker room and took off his shirt.

When staff told him to leave, the man reportedly said “the law has changed and I have a right to be here.”

Employees told Seattle’s King 5 News the man didn’t attempt to identify as female but cited a new Washington state rule allowing individuals to choose their bathroom based on their gender identity.

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Police were not called to respond to the Feb. 8 incident, although the man returned to the locker room while young girls were changing for swimming practice, King 5 reported.

Seattle Parks spokesman David Takami told the station that since a protocol didn’t exist for someone to demonstrate gender to use public facilities, employees rely on appearance or verbal confirmation. He said the man offered neither. 

“This didn’t seem like a transgender issue to staff—someone who was ‘identifying’ as a woman. We have guidelines that allow transgender individuals to use restrooms and locker rooms consistent with their gender identity. We want everyone to feel comfortable in our facilities,” Takami said in a prepared statement

“The Seattle Parks spokesman confirms what critics of these laws have said for a while now: There is no way for officials to confirm or deny someone’s ‘gender identity,’” Ryan T. Anderson, a senior research fellow at The Heritage Foundation and author of the report “Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity Laws Threaten Freedom,” said in an email to The Daily Signal.

“Sexual orientation and gender identity laws are based on subjective and unverifiable identities, not objective traits, and thus are prone for abuse.”

Washington state’s Human Rights Commission approved a rule in December that allows transgender persons to use the public locker rooms and bathrooms of their choosing.

The state Senate failed to repeal the rule by one vote on Feb. 10.

Supporters of the rule say concerns about the threat to women’s privacy and safety are unlikely to be realized, and transgender individuals are more likely to experience harassment without the rule.

“Because this population is at high risk for being targets of abuse, forcing transgender people to use a restroom inconsistent with their gender presentation or identity can increase their risk of experiencing violence,” the Washington Coalition of Sexual Assault Programs said in a statement opposing repeal.

Opponents argue that the rule leaves women vulnerable to sexual predators who might use the measure as a loophole to gain access to opposite-sex facilities.

“Not a single member of the Washington state Senate has suggested transgendered persons are sex predators. But many of us are concerned sex predators will claim to be transgendered,” state Sen. Tim Sheldon, D-Potlatch, said in a press release in response to the failure of the repeal effort.

The Human Rights Commission’s rule reads:

If another person expresses concern or discomfort about a person who uses a facility that is consistent with the person’s gender expression or gender identity, the person expressing discomfort should be directed to a separate or gender-neutral facility, if available.

“Washington’s regulations even go so far to say that it is complaining women, not biological men, who should be asked to leave intimate facilities in cases of controversy over gender identity,” Roger Severino, director of the DeVos Center for Religion and Civil Society at The Heritage Foundation, told The Daily Signal, adding:

Washington’s policy gives short shrift to the legitimate concerns of women who feel their privacy is being violated by the presence of men identifying as women in women’s locker rooms and showers.

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I cannot imagine women would be ok with this.

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Increasingly, women have no choice.  All those anti-discrimination laws will come back to bite them.  The legal precedent has already been set.  Now the LMNOPee crowd is just pushing the limits in order to bring their court cases where the judges will force this lovely conversion on all.

Women I know are adamant about social issues, extremely pro-gay rights and touchy-feely about it, rainbow pictures on facebook, etc. etc., I'd imagine if they're at the gym locker and look over and see this guy:



Maybe they'll change their minds?

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You would think so, wouldn't you.  I don't know.  My friends are like me.  That would not approve of that guy.  I have to think of my aunt.  She is waaaay left and I think she'd give the dude a huge hug even if they were both in their bare nothings.  She has no moral compass at all.  She's nice and all of that --- just registers a zero on the scale of good sense.  Weirdly, she lives her own life like a conservative (as far as I know).  It's just she looks out at the world through hippie colored glasses.

The crux of the problem we're in now is that the philosophy of the era doesn't allow for the concepts of good and evil.  Post-modernist ideas and putting humans at the center of the universe (and not God) have allowed this to happen to our society.

Because they deny the concept of sin, they run pell-mell around trying to come up with things that are "fair."  Only in doing so, they ignore what is decent, and trample on the rights of the vast majority.

btw, if your aunt were raped by a pervert in a bathroom, she might wake up a bit to reality.
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Exactly.  Very well said, as usual.

Hey, on another note.....will you go do my workout for me?

I already did!  You're now up to 100 ball crunches!  Congrats!   :beer:
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

"Sometimes I think the Church would be better off if we would call a moratorium on activity for about six weeks and just wait on God to see what He is waiting to do for us. That's what they did before Pentecost."   - A. W. Tozer

Use the time God is giving us to seek His will and feel His presence.

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musiclady wrote above:
"The crux of the problem we're in now is that the philosophy of the era doesn't allow for the concepts of good and evil.  Post-modernist ideas and putting humans at the center of the universe (and not God) have allowed this to happen to our society."

A society which has fallen so far away from reality that it refuses even to distinguish males from females any more isn't going to remain "a society" for very much longer.

But don't worry.
When the muslims get control, THEY'RE going to re-establish the "concepts of good and evil". You can be sure of that.

Only problem is... the concept of what THEY call "good" and "evil" ain't the same as what we call them.

Or more correctly stated, what we USED TO call them...

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musiclady wrote above:
"The crux of the problem we're in now is that the philosophy of the era doesn't allow for the concepts of good and evil.  Post-modernist ideas and putting humans at the center of the universe (and not God) have allowed this to happen to our society."

A society which has fallen so far away from reality that it refuses even to distinguish males from females any more isn't going to remain "a society" for very much longer.

But don't worry.
When the muslims get control, THEY'RE going to re-establish the "concepts of good and evil". You can be sure of that.

Only problem is... the concept of what THEY call "good" and "evil" ain't the same as what we call them.

Or more correctly stated, what we USED TO call them...

My assessment is that they take the Biblical concepts of good and evil and invert them.

That's what happens in Satanic cults/"religions."
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

"Sometimes I think the Church would be better off if we would call a moratorium on activity for about six weeks and just wait on God to see what He is waiting to do for us. That's what they did before Pentecost."   - A. W. Tozer

Use the time God is giving us to seek His will and feel His presence.

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What other countries in the world allow this perversion?

I've been in quite a few countries in Europe, Asia, and South America and if a man tried this there he would promptly get arrested.

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Man Allowed to Use Women’s Locker Room at Swimming Pool Without Citing Gender Identity

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