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Team Kasich: We’ve already locked up more than half of Indiana’s 57 delegates
posted at 6:01 pm on April 19, 2016 by Allahpundit

   
“Locked up” in the sense that more than half the delegation will be loyal to Kasich, that is, not “locked up” in the sense that Kasich is going to win the primary in two weeks. As noted this morning, Indiana will be crucial in determining whether Trump clinches the nomination before the convention or not. Thirty delegates will be awarded to the statewide winner and another 27 will be awarded to the winners of the state’s nine congressional districts (three delegates per district, of course). If Cruz were to sweep, that’s 57 delegates that would be bound to him and not Trump on the first ballot, which may well be the difference between whether Trump gets to 1,237 or not. On the second ballot those 57 would be free to vote however they like. Normally that means good things for Cruz given how much success he’s had in getting his loyalists elected to delegate slots in various states so far.

Not this time, though — if you believe the Kasich campaign.

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    Kasich’s campaign said it has secured the support of a majority of Indiana’s 57 delegates to the Republican National Convention, where their personal preference might ultimately decide the party’s presidential nominee…

    IndyStar attempted to survey all 57 delegates. Many gave guarded responses, so the results were inconclusive. But Kasich’s claim seems plausible, given the number of people who expressed their support for him and those who would likely be ideologically aligned with him…

    Trump supporters were harder to find. Of the 57 delegates, only two said they supported Trump over other candidates…

    While many of those delegates told IndyStar they hadn’t decided whom they would support, most said they would make their decision based on one main factor: Who has the best chance of beating the Democratic nominee and winning back the White House?

If you don’t know why most of Indiana’s delegates would rather not say who they’re supporting, it might have to do with the fact that those who’ve admitted publicly that they’re not backing Trump are, of course, receiving threats from crazed Trump fans. It’s no secret that many of Indiana’s delegates aren’t well disposed to Trump, though. What is surprising is the possibility that Kasich has outmaneuvered Cruz at the delegate level, where he’s cleaned up nationally. Is Kasich’s team telling the truth or not? And even if they are, how rigid is the support of the delegates they’ve “won” so far? Ed raised the possibility a few days ago that Gov. Mike Pence might endorse Cruz before the primary and start working the phones for him to convince Indiana’s delegates to join him on the Cruz crew. And Kasich may be overselling exactly how many delegates have pledged themselves to him already. David Drucker of the Examiner talked to his sources in Indiana last week and they were skeptical that he’d won big:

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    The Ohio governor’s top delegate strategist declined to offer names of Kasich delegates or say exactly how many delegates are his among the delegation of 57. And, Republican insiders who have monitored the process and observed delegate elections first-hand this past week were skeptical of Kasich’s rosy projection.

    “I was in the room and can say with certainty there was no discussion of who people supported as to whether a delegate would or would not be on the slate. I get them trying to build a narrative, but there isn’t much basis,” an Indiana Republican who is neutral in the primary said Saturday, on condition of anonymity in order to speak candidly.

It would be very surprising if Kasich’s essentially shoestring operation had out-organized Cruz in an important red state, but anything’s possible. In fact, let’s say Kasich’s telling the truth. What are the strategic consequences of him vacuuming up a bunch of Indiana’s delegates? There are two big ones, I think, starting with the fact that it obviously makes Cruz’s job of getting to 1,237 on the second ballot harder. It’s better, of course, for Cruz fans that these delegates are leaning towards Kasich on the second ballot than to Trump, since the weaker Trump’s support looks on the second ballot, the harder it’ll be for him to claw back some votes and move back into contention for the nomination on subsequent ballots. And it may also be that these delegates, although nominally pro-Kasich, are anti-Trump above all else and will end up breaking for Cruz on the second ballot if doing so would put him over the top for 1,237. But then again, they might not — and if Cruz doesn’t clinch on the second ballot then he’ll run the risk of his momentum stalling on the third ballot or later if he can’t seal the deal and clinch a majority.

The other bad consequence for Cruz in Kasich piling up delegates is the threat that some of these people will land on the Rules Committee and will defeat any measures there designed to bar Kasich from the nomination. I think the risk of that is low given how many members of the Committee will be loyalists for Trump and Cruz; if they vote in accordance with the wishes of their candidates, they’ll pass a rule that says Kasich and anyone else who failed to win a majority of delegates in eight states is barred from being considered as nominee. But that’s no sure thing: The more likely it seems that it’ll take multiple ballots to choose a nominee, the more likely it is that some delegates, possibly including Trump’s and Cruz’s delegates, will want to keep their options open on a dark-horse nominee in later rounds of balloting. In fact, if it looks like Trump is destined to be thwarted in Cleveland, some of his delegates may decide to screw Cruz by refusing to vote for a rule that would limit the universe of possible nominees to Trump and Cruz, knowing that leaving open the possibility of nominating someone like Kasich might lead to their nemesis Cruz being defeated on a third, fourth, or fifth ballot. For that reason, every delegate Cruz can woo away from Trump and Kasich is important. He needs to win early at the convention, before people start considering outside-the-box possibilities. The more delegates he piles up before the proceedings begin, the more likely it is that he will.

Via the Free Beacon, here’s Cruz’s spokesman paying tribute to the “insufferable John Kasich.”


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And even if they are, how rigid is the support of the delegates they’ve “won” so far?

No one knows,  but the fact is that poll after poll after poll after poll say Kasich can beat Clinton, and Trump and Clinton would lose.   If the criteria is electability,  Kasich's support shouldn't waver.   

Voters care far less than delegates about electability.   Voters vote to express anger,  to massage their egos,  to demonstrate their ideological purity.  Delegates know that they belong to a party the purpose of which, first and foremost, is to win elections. 

If Trump can be denied a first ballot victory, and Cruz sputters to the finish line (my goodness, he only received 15% in New York - that's just appallingly bad!),  then the stage is set for John Kasich. 

Let's try winning - what a concept!   
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No one knows,  but the fact is that poll after poll after poll after poll say Kasich can beat Clinton, and Trump and Clinton would lose.   If the criteria is electability,  Kasich's support shouldn't waver.   

Voters care far less than delegates about electability.   Voters vote to express anger,  to massage their egos,  to demonstrate their ideological purity.  Delegates know that they belong to a party the purpose of which, first and foremost, is to win elections. 

If Trump can be denied a first ballot victory, and Cruz sputters to the finish line (my goodness, he only received 15% in New York - that's just appallingly bad!),  then the stage is set for John Kasich. 

Let's try winning - what a concept!

If those polls were indeed accurate and Kasich so popular, he would be in first place and that simply is not the case. He isn't even close.  The cold stark reality is he has to win the party's nomination before he can even consider running against Hillary and that happening is slim to none.  Cruz and Trump are the front runners with Kasich a very distant third.  John should have done the right thing and dropped out letting Cruz and Trump fight it out.  As of now, according to Convention rules, Kasich is NOT eligible. A convention rule requires that a candidate win a majority of delegates in at least eight states.  Kasich has not done so and is very unlikely to do so.  Yes, they could change convention rules at the last minute and allow Kasich into the convention ... but changing the rules at this point would be suicide for the GOP.  Trump supporters are already under the impression that one doesn't need the 1237 only the majority ... and Cruz supports are looking at their candidate as the guy who has played by all the rules.

Kasich is done.  His chances for the presidency were over quite awhile ago. 
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I would not count Kasich out of the running in the open convention. Cruz is clearly playing a good ground game in terms of getting sympathetic individuals picked to fill the delegate slots, but even though he does much better than Trump against Clinton, so far Kasich appears to be the only one who reliably edges out Clinton in the general.  That isn't to say that Cruz won't ultimately be able to get there as well, provided he picks a moderate VP, but right now Kasich has the lead there. 

More broadly, there is a reason why using a delegate system is better than just going by the raw popular vote, and it is the same reason why the Founders preferred a representative republican form of government over a naked populist democracy: the voters can be more easily swayed by demagogues and having representatives in the middle who have discretion to act according to their own judgment provides a beneficial mediating influence that usually produces better results. 

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The real John Kasich:  http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2016/04/19/notsonice-john-kasich/

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Kasich is out.  Out out out.  Someone needs to tell him.  He imagines himself as grandly popular so much so that he alone can win against Hillary.  Well, tell that to the Republican voters who have been saying no to him throughout the primary.  Very very few want Kasich to win the nomination.   He's toast but too prideful to admit it.

He compares himself to Jesus.  You think a narcissist with that big of an ego is tuned in to reality? 
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I wonder what basement jail they got them "locked up" in...?   ;)

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Kasich is out.  Out out out. 

If the other two candidates spell doom for the party in the fall,  and Kasich can win, then, no, he's not out.   Why should the GOP delegates be suicidal?   
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If the other two candidates spell doom for the party in the fall,  and Kasich can win, then, no, he's not out.   Why should the GOP delegates be suicidal?   

Kasich can't win.  He's Hillary Lite.  3/4 of GOP voters can't stand the guy and the only state he won, he had to beg Democrats to vote for him and still didn't blow out Trump.
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