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« Reply #50 on: April 09, 2016, 10:12:10 pm »
Well...its actually almost 7 months. And yes, you do overcome it, because surprisingly few Americans are focused on politics at this stage. Most tune in AFTER the conventions...though given the nature of what this year's conventions will be, you may have a big uptick in viewership. Further, his "unfavorables" are within striking distance of Mrs. Clinton which very much levels the field...and lets note that Ted's are quite high as well.

 



People haven't been paying attention to STrump so far?  Are you kidding me?  Have you seen the papers at all?  Have you been watching the social media brouhahas?

People know all about STrump, and most of them hate him.  He has less chance of winning than WTF's cat.

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« Reply #51 on: April 09, 2016, 10:15:33 pm »
People haven't been paying attention to STrump so far?  Are you kidding me?  Have you seen the papers at all?  Have you been watching the social media brouhahas?

People know all about STrump, and most of them hate him.  He has less chance of winning than WTF's cat.

This is correct, most voters are not paying attention to politics right now. The vast majority of voters wait until late in the game before the settle in to seriously look at the two candidates. That is true with high name recognition or otherwise. This is a part of why opinion is so malleable this far out. Most swing voters will go into the debates with a relatively open mind, and will make their decisions based on what they see...and based on the mass of advertising and media commentary that erupts in September and October.

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« Reply #52 on: April 09, 2016, 10:16:32 pm »
This is correct, most voters are not paying attention to politics right now. The vast majority of voters wait until late in the game before the settle in to seriously look at the two candidates. That is true with high name recognition or otherwise. This is a part of why opinion is so malleable this far out. Most swing voters will go into the debates with a relatively open mind, and will make their decisions based on what they see...and based on the mass of advertising and media commentary that erupts in September and October.

Trump is all over the place. People are paying attention and those that do hate Trump more than anything.

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« Reply #53 on: April 09, 2016, 10:18:07 pm »
This is correct, most voters are not paying attention to politics right now. The vast majority of voters wait until late in the game before the settle in to seriously look at the two candidates. That is true with high name recognition or otherwise. This is a part of why opinion is so malleable this far out. Most swing voters will go into the debates with a relatively open mind, and will make their decisions based on what they see...and based on the mass of advertising and media commentary that erupts in September and October.



Where are your numbers?  STrump is all over the popular media and his positions are well-known.  This is not a normal election cycle.  If you don't have numbers to back it up you've got nothing more than wishful thinking (like most STrumpets).  People already know very well who STrump is and most have already formed definite opinions about STrump, and most of those opinions are decidedly negative.
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« Reply #54 on: April 09, 2016, 10:29:46 pm »
Where are your numbers?  STrump is all over the popular media and his positions are well-known.  This is not a normal election cycle.  If you don't have numbers to back it up you've got nothing more than wishful thinking (like most STrumpets).  People already know very well who STrump is and most have already formed definite opinions about STrump, and most of those opinions are decidedly negative.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/2016-election-polls-value_us_55f83910e4b09ecde1d9b328

Excerpt: The percentage is higher than it was in previous election cycles at this point. Typically in September of the year before an election, only 10-15 percent of Americans are really following the race.


While that percentage goes gradually upward, well under 30% of voters pay attention to Presidential elections until AFTER the conventions...see the attached article (specifically the chart of elections going back to 1988). This CLEARLY and unequivocally shows that voters pay little to no attention to the race until July at the very earliest. In some cases, even later...but generally the conventions are the event that begins to focus voter attention. People know Trump and they've all heard of Hillary...but this is not a measuring of name ID, but rather of interest in the election....and its clear most voters are ignoring the ongoing shenanigans at this stage in the process, as they always do (feel free to show evidence indicating voter interest is higher than the general trend).
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Re: Poll: Denying Trump nomination would cost GOP in November
« Reply #55 on: April 09, 2016, 10:37:46 pm »
Let me summarize...because what you say is mostly correct...he's not a political professional. I take that is a VERY good sign. Nonetheless, you are correct in your overall assessment that he has done poorly on the ground in the delegate stealing fight, Trump NOT being a politician has its negatives...no doubt about it....and this explains why he has been slow to put together delegate lobbying structures (let's be clear that these structures are being used by Cruz to override the verdict of state voters). Still, not being a politician is a good thing when taken in whole, though you've done a good job of pointing out the shortcomings that regular citizens face when jumping into politics.

It isn't a 'delegate stealing fight'. Your first job as a candidate is to actually be a candidate- to set up an infrastructure to fight in the general election. 

Here is an analogy- this is like if Trump bids to build a grand hotel. Winning the primary is like winning the bid. That doesn't mean he is done- that means he now actually has to build something. What he is doing is essentially winning the bid, then never building anything.

This isn't a good thing at all. It isn't just 'not being a politician', it is gross incompetence. The infrastructure he is supposed to be setting up in these States is the infrastructure he needs to run against Hillary if he wins the primary.

It should be a wake-up call to his supporters that he can't be counted on. He is just a mouth.

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« Reply #56 on: April 09, 2016, 10:53:49 pm »
Another Trump surrogate whines about "stealing" delegates?

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Re: Poll: Denying Trump nomination would cost GOP in November
« Reply #58 on: April 09, 2016, 10:54:32 pm »


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« Reply #59 on: April 09, 2016, 10:56:57 pm »
It isn't a 'delegate stealing fight'. Your first job as a candidate is to actually be a candidate- to set up an infrastructure to fight in the general election. 

Here is an analogy- this is like if Trump bids to build a grand hotel. Winning the primary is like winning the bid. That doesn't mean he is done- that means he now actually has to build something. What he is doing is essentially winning the bid, then never building anything.

This isn't a good thing at all. It isn't just 'not being a politician', it is gross incompetence. The infrastructure he is supposed to be setting up in these States is the infrastructure he needs to run against Hillary if he wins the primary.

It should be a wake-up call to his supporters that he can't be counted on. He is just a mouth.

Your analogy doesn't work because an election is not a mechanical process, its a sacred ritual of democracy. Voters cast a vote and expect the delegate sent to the convention to hold to that obligation.  Putting up a building is not an act of justice or moral rectitude, electing a delegate and having them vote as the voters determined IS both.

I can agree with you, given the unjust nature of the delegate stealing process, that Trump should have focused on this earlier. But as I said, he's not a career politician...which at times is a disadvantage. This is one instance where that manifests itself. Had he had more years of ingrained corruption as part of the political/establishment process, he would have been all over this...you know...like Cruz is.
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« Reply #60 on: April 09, 2016, 10:58:29 pm »
But as I said, he's not a career politician...which at times is a disadvantage. This is one instance where that manifests itself.

Another disadvantage: the fact that he's a raging idiot.

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« Reply #61 on: April 09, 2016, 11:00:12 pm »
Another disadvantage: the fact that he's a raging idiot.

When has that ever been a detriment in politics =)
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Re: Poll: Denying Trump nomination would cost GOP in November
« Reply #62 on: April 09, 2016, 11:00:33 pm »
Insanity. Its that simple.

I am huge Trump advocate, and see Cruz as a sanctimonious evangelical kook...but I will vote for Cruz in a heartbeat if he is the nominee. Likewise, any Cruz supporter who won't do the same if Trump wins is nuts. There is no rational case that can be made that this nation is better off with Hillary than with ANY of the GOP candidates...ANY.

Hillary will not build a wall or work to halt illegal immigration.
Hillary will appoint radical leftists to the court (probably 2-3 of them)
Hillary will not rebuild our national defense.

Any and every GOP candidate, including Trump and Cruz, will be on the opposite side of the 3 issues above. Even if you feel unsure that Trump won't follow through on these issues....you KNOW Hillary will. For god's sakes, its better to have a shot at achieving the upside of these issues over the certainty that Hillary will bring on these topics.

If we lose this election because of idiots in BOTH camps who won't vote for WHOMEVER the nominee is...we deserve to have the nation wrecked. And it will be...and you can blame the NeverTrump and NeverCruz folks directly.

People in our party need to put on their big boy/girl pants and get over their hurt feelings...this election may set our course for DECADES. We can't afford to act on emotion. Anyone with a brain and a smidgeon of conservative opinion should vote for an 800 pound hermaphrodite gorilla if it was the GOP candidate running against her....because that gorilla would do less harm to this nation than she will.

Wake up, people...we, collectively, cannot win this thing if we bust out into NeverTrump and NeverCruz camps.

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« Reply #63 on: April 09, 2016, 11:11:05 pm »
If you support Trump you support Amnesty.

How Trumps Amnesty Plan works.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DEGePhR_to

I'm sorry, I thought we were having a serious discussion. I think that guy does UFO's are Real videos when he's not doing Bigfoot and Yeti sighting vids.

Make sure to strap on your aluminum foil hat before watching that thing...its hilarious and scary all at once. Its a creepy guy giving his opinion on what Trump will do AFTER he deports 12 million illegals...and upset because he will let some back in if they have clean records and jobs lined up. Well..duh. Of course many immigrants who leave will be allowed to come back via legal immigration...as they should, we certainly need the influx of affordable labor. But WE will control how many and to where they can go...as fits the needs of the nation.



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« Reply #64 on: April 09, 2016, 11:52:01 pm »
Serious discussions mean pretending tRump is a conservative.   Never mind that he has changed his position more times that anyone can count.
No matter the topic......he's changed his mind.   Sometimes he changes his mind within the same statement.
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Re: Poll: Denying Trump nomination would cost GOP in November
« Reply #65 on: April 10, 2016, 12:02:48 am »
I'm sorry, I thought we were having a serious discussion. I think that guy does UFO's are Real videos when he's not doing Bigfoot and Yeti sighting vids.

Make sure to strap on your aluminum foil hat before watching that thing...its hilarious and scary all at once. Its a creepy guy giving his opinion on what Trump will do AFTER he deports 12 million illegals...and upset because he will let some back in if they have clean records and jobs lined up. Well..duh. Of course many immigrants who leave will be allowed to come back via legal immigration...as they should, we certainly need the influx of affordable labor. But WE will control how many and to where they can go...as fits the needs of the nation.

No the aluminum foil hat is needed for Trump followers.  Given your post I note that you accept that Trump is about touch back Amnesty.  Expediting those who are the "good" one back in front of those who have been waiting to enter legally.  You may believe what you said and many politicians do but Americans don't believe that we have jobs for all of those illegals.  The reason people support Trump is that they don't want amnesty.  When they finally get what Trump is about.  When they hear Trump speaking about how illegal immigrants do jobs Americans don't want to do...... it will be over.  Anyone living in or near a sanctuary city is not going for your argument.  Just saying.   Its amnesty so it really doesn't matter which video but you can take your pick.

Ron Fournier: Donald Trump’s Policy Is ‘Gold-Plated Amnesty’

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/08/16/ron-fournier-donald-trumps-policy-is-gold-plated-amnesty/

Trump's Touchback amnesty explained by Marc Thiessen


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C2C3hRJ01E

Donald Trump on Trump
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTtlyaDaMQk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG4x5IIrW4s

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QDUJhgTe14
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« Reply #66 on: April 10, 2016, 12:05:21 am »
Serious discussions mean pretending tRump is a conservative.   Never mind that he has changed his position more times that anyone can count.
No matter the topic......he's changed his mind.   Sometimes he changes his mind within the same statement.

Nobody is trying to persuade you to become a Trump advocate, obviously that would be a waste of both our time. As for pretending, do as you will. For my part, if Trump is elected on his current platform along with a GOP house and senate, he will have no choice but to adhere to his stated intentions. He will be tied to the congress if he wants to get anything done...its that simple. If, through your actions, or inaction, in a general election, you allow Hillary to become President...we all know what that will mean, for the Supreme Court if nothing else. And that is enough in itself that ANY conservative with an ounce of sanity would vote for the GOP nominee, whoever that might be...Trump or Cruz. That is the point.

And if you can't see that Hillary in the White House would be MAGNITUDES worse for this country and the conservative cause...you've left all reason behind in favor of emotion.
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« Reply #67 on: April 10, 2016, 12:16:14 am »
Nobody is trying to persuade you to become a Trump advocate, obviously that would be a waste of both our time. As for pretending, do as you will. For my part, if Trump is elected on his current platform along with a GOP house and senate, he will have no choice but to adhere to his stated intentions. He will be tied to the congress if he wants to get anything done...its that simple. If, through your actions, or inaction, in a general election, you allow Hillary to become President...we all know what that will mean, for the Supreme Court if nothing else. And that is enough in itself that ANY conservative with an ounce of sanity would vote for the GOP nominee, whoever that might be...Trump or Cruz. That is the point.

And if you can't see that Hillary in the White House would be MAGNITUDES worse for this country and the conservative cause...you've left all reason behind in favor of emotion.

For some reason I think Trump would just "do what he wants", consequences be damned. Congress is just an obstacle. Basically you'd have to sue if he overstepped his bounds. The man doesn't know jack shit about the constitution, or laws, or much of anything to be honest.

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« Reply #68 on: April 10, 2016, 12:19:09 am »
Nobody is trying to persuade you to become a Trump advocate, obviously that would be a waste of both our time. As for pretending, do as you will. For my part, if Trump is elected on his current platform along with a GOP house and senate, he will have no choice but to adhere to his stated intentions. He will be tied to the congress if he wants to get anything done...its that simple. If, through your actions, or inaction, in a general election, you allow Hillary to become President...we all know what that will mean, for the Supreme Court if nothing else. And that is enough in itself that ANY conservative with an ounce of sanity would vote for the GOP nominee, whoever that might be...Trump or Cruz. That is the point.

And if you can't see that Hillary in the White House would be MAGNITUDES worse for this country and the conservative cause...you've left all reason behind in favor of emotion.

Look at the RCP average of polls since March, then look at ALL the polls since last August. These are not polls that will be easily reversed by Trump:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Women are not suddenly going to say:  "You know. This Trump fella is pretty good.  Forget what he said about Megyn Kelly's menstrual cycle, Carly Fiorina's face, his remark that "nothing else really matters as long as you've got a young beautiful piece of ass." 

The scales will fall from the eyes of Hispanics, who will forget that he called illegals rapists and murderers, that he wants to impose tariffs on Mexican goods. 

You are not in touch with reality if you think there is ANY scenario in which Donald Trump will suddenly become the preferred candidate of a wide swath of the American voting public.  He won't.  The GOP is committing suicide if he's the nominee.
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Re: Poll: Denying Trump nomination would cost GOP in November
« Reply #70 on: April 10, 2016, 12:25:00 am »
For some reason I think Trump would just "do what he wants", consequences be damned. Congress is just an obstacle. Basically you'd have to sue if he overstepped his bounds. The man doesn't know jack shit about the constitution, or laws, or much of anything to be honest.

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Re: Poll: Denying Trump nomination would cost GOP in November
« Reply #71 on: April 10, 2016, 12:34:33 am »
I think this polls shows Trump supporters don't have a clue that he is pushing an amnesty plan.


. Immigration Update

Border Control Still Top Immigration Priority For Most Voters

Tuesday, February 23, 2016

Most voters continue to favor stricter border control over granting legal status to those already here illegally and believe amnesty will just encourage more illegal immigration.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 59% of Likely U.S. Voters think gaining control of the border should be the priority when it comes to immigration reform. Thirty-four percent (34%) disagree and say it’s more important to grant legal status to those already living here. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

These findings are consistent with regular surveying for the past four years. Prior to 2012, support for stricter border control was generally in the low to mid-60s. The number who say legalizing the status of those already here is more important reached a high of 38% in December 2012 but fell to a recent low of 30% in April of last year.

Fifty-two percent (52%) of voters believe providing a pathway to citizenship for those in this country illegally will just encourage more illegal immigration. This finding has ranged from 48% to 58% over the past year. Thirty-one percent (31%) disagree, while 17% are undecided.

Seventy percent (70%) of Republicans - and 51% of all voters - support GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump’s plan to build a wall along the Mexican border to help stop illegal immigration.

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The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on February 17-18, 2016 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

Sixty-one percent (61%) of voters think the government is not aggressive enough in deporting those who are in this country illegally, another view most have held in surveys for years. 

Most Republicans (79%) and voters not affiliated with either major political party (65%) say gaining control of the border is more important than legalizing the status of workers already here, but most Democrats (57%) take the opposite view. Just 35% of Democrats consider border control more important.

While most GOP and unaffiliated voters think providing a path to citizenship will just encourage more illegal immigration, Democrats by a narrower 45% to 33% margin disagree.

Men and those 40 and older put more importance on border enforcement than women and younger voters do.

Sixty-seven percent (67%) of voters who consider border control more important believe providing a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants will just encourage more to come illegally. Fifty-three percent (53%) of those who believe legalizing the status of those already here is more important disagree.

Most voters continue to believe the current policies and practices of the federal government encourage people to enter the United States illegally. Most also continue to oppose President Obama’s plan to exempt millions of illegal immigrants from deportation.

Seventy-two percent (72%) believe the federal government is not aggressive enough in finding those who have overstayed their visas and sending them home.

Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton has called for free lawyers for children who have entered this country illegally, and a law proposed in the state of Maryland would expand that to include women who are here illegally as well. However, most voters oppose the federal government providing taxpayer-funded lawyers to women and children who entered the country illegally from Central and South America to help them fight deportation.

Support for state rather than federal enforcement of immigration laws is now at its highest level in several years.

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Re: Poll: Denying Trump nomination would cost GOP in November
« Reply #72 on: April 10, 2016, 12:38:55 am »
Newsflash: Hitler was a National SOCIALIST so if that kind of threat ever arises here...and there is nothing remotely in that vein today...it will come from the far left and its penchant to seek control over every aspect of our lives.

Ahh,but you are making the same mistake many make,and confusing Germany of the 30's with America in the 21st Century.

21st Century America is where the far left and the far right meet and swap body fluids because they ARE the same people. Calling American conservatives/right wingers Nazi's or fascists is not only incorrect,it is laughable.  It's the Dims and the left in America that are the fascists calling for a PC police state,not the right wingers.

The Nazi Party in Germany were fascists,and fascists are nothing more then communists that have morphed from communism to it's adult brother,fascism.
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« Reply #73 on: April 10, 2016, 12:40:11 am »
Newsflash: Hitler was a National SOCIALIST so if that kind of threat ever arises here...and there is nothing remotely in that vein today...it will come from the far left and its penchant to seek control over every aspect of our lives.


Uhhh,you say there is nothing like that here in America,and then in the next sentence you identify them.
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« Reply #74 on: April 10, 2016, 12:41:51 am »
That kind of pride is what will put Hillary in the White House...and that is an almost immeasurable loss for this nation. It saddens me, actually, that this primary has made so many of us forget where the real danger to our nation and our future lies.

No,what will put Bubbette! in the WH,if she ever gets there,will be the lameass leftist-fascist alleged Republican leadership that keeps running Dims as Republicans come election time.
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