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Tennessee GOP delegate fight erupts ahead of party meeting
« on: April 02, 2016, 06:06:12 pm »
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/donald-trump-tennessee-gop-delegates-221489


Tennessee GOP delegate fight erupts ahead of party meeting

By Shane Goldmacher and Kyle Cheney

04/02/16 12:33 AM EDT

Updated 04/02/16 01:14 AM EDT
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Donald Trump’s campaign issued a late-night plea in Tennessee on Friday, telling supporters there that the state’s Republican Party was “trying to steal” his delegates and urging them to crash a party meeting on Saturday morning to stop them.

“We won the votes. They are trying to steal them. I can’t believe I am writing this. But the Tennessee Republican Party wants to steal your vote TOMORROW,” Darren Morris, Trump’s Tennessee state director wrote in a missive late Friday.

Party leaders, alarmed by an intensifying backlash throughout the night, have hired extra security for the event -- which party chairman Ryan Haynes noted had been scheduled to take place in a small, unsecured conference room -- and they're considering canceling the event altogether.

"We've seen what's happened at other events around the country," Haynes said, referencing spurts of violence at some Trump campaign rallies. "The last thing we'd want to see is something get disorderly.”

Added Haynes, "We've been in contact with individuals in law enforcement here in Tennessee.”

The skirmish is the latest in the increasingly fierce battle for delegates to the Republican National Convention in Cleveland.

At issue are the state’s 14 at-large delegates that were not assigned in the March 1 primary but are set to be selected by the party’s executive committee. Trump won the Tennessee primary and many of the delegates were directly elected at that time. Morris wrote that Trump’s campaign had struck a deal with party leaders on Wednesday to fill the remaining at-large slots with Trump’s share of the vote.

Haynes said Morris exploded earlier in the week when the party informed the campaign they'd only get six of their seven delegate choices at Saturday's meeting. Tennessee's GOP rules give the party the ultimate authority to name delegates, though it usually accepts input from the campaigns.

"They informed us that they did not care about party procedures. They don't care about the Republican Party," Haynes said.

Haynes added that on Friday, the list of delegates changed again and only four of Trump's original seven requests were included, prompting Morris' scathing call to supporters.

“The State Party Chairman, Ryan Haynes, agreed to that ON WEDNESDAY,” Morris wrote. “Those pulling his puppet strings changed his mind and now apparently he wants to appoint delegates representing candidates who don’t support Donald Trump and WHO DID NOT RECEIVE ANY ALLOCATED DELEGATES on March 1.”

Brent Leatherwood, executive director of the Tennessee Republican Party, said there was never such a deal and accused the Trump campaign of speaking “dismissively” of one of their "female members.”

"Instead of stirring up strife and grossly mischaracterizing the conversation that took place between Mr. Morris and Chairman Haynes, let's set the record straight. There was never an agreement, especially after the Trump campaign spoke dismissively about the Party process and one of our female members,” Leatherwood said in a statement.

Morris urged supporters to crash the party's 10 a.m. Saturday executive committee meeting by arriving a half-hour in advance. “There is a small group of Tennessee establishment insiders pulling a fast one. DON’T LET THIS HAPPEN,” he wrote.

Haynes said if he couldn't guarantee safety of Saturday’s meeting, "In no way would I foresee going forward with an event. We hope cooler minds prevail on these kind of things ... I've never quite experienced anything quite like this."

Morris did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Other Tennessee party leaders were just learning of the escalating clash late Friday, with some referring to it as "rumors" or suggesting they were unaware of how pitched the sniping had become between the Trump campaign and party leaders. But others were incensed at the Trump camp as well.

One state executive committee member, Scott Smith, rebutted the Trump campaign's allegations in an email, saying that the root of the conflict is the fact that some of Trump's Tennessee supporters "depend on threats, manipulation, outlandish accusations and behavior."

Leatherwood said the party was pressing forward. "The TNGOP will fill out the remaining delegate spots consistent with our bylaws, state law, and the results of the March 1st Presidential Primary,” he said.

Trump, Ted Cruz and John Kasich are not only competing in primaries and caucuses across the country but to name the actual individuals who will serve as delegates because, should Trump fall short of the 1,237 delegates he needs to secure the GOP nomination on the first ballot, those individuals will ultimately select the nominee.

Every state has different rules about how long delegates must stay pledged to their state’s results and Leatherwood noted that in Tennessee, “Despite what they are saying, state law mandates all delegates be bound to their respective candidate for two rounds of balloting at the Republican National Convention. There are no exceptions to that requirement."

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Re: Tennessee GOP delegate fight erupts ahead of party meeting
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2016, 06:10:10 pm »
Steal them by any means necessary. Trump divorced himself from conservatives by attacking Gov. Walker and his record. Time to kneecap his goon squad and show them how to play the game.
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Re: Tennessee GOP delegate fight erupts ahead of party meeting
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2016, 06:12:36 pm »
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“We won the votes. They are trying to steal them. I can’t believe I am writing this. But the Tennessee Republican Party wants to steal your vote TOMORROW,” Darren Morris, Trump’s Tennessee state director wrote in a missive late Friday.

Is anyone on the Trump team not a petulant whiner?

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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2016, 06:17:11 pm »
Is anyone on the Trump team not a petulant whiner?

That's the little tactic they shift to when they want to play the David outsider who's getting beaten and bullied by all the dirty party Goliath insiders. It's part of their passive-aggressive tough guy/victim schtick they've used very successfully till now.
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2016, 06:24:39 pm »
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urging them to crash a party meeting on Saturday morning to stop them

In other words, violence.

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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2016, 09:16:25 pm »
In other words, violence.

And what they don't get is that those things can go both ways. They like to put on their righteous mantle and take up the pitchforks, but that is a two edge sword. I hope their skulls get cracked if they do try it.
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Re: Tennessee GOP delegate fight erupts ahead of party meeting
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2016, 09:24:16 pm »


Tennessee GOP beats back Trump allies

State party approves new list of national convention delegates despite fierce outcry from the mogul's supporters.

By BEN SCHRECKINGER, KYLE CHENEY and SHANE GOLDMACHER 04/02/16 04:52 PM EDT


Tennessee Republican Party leaders approved a delegate slate on Saturday over the heated objections of Donald Trump’s campaign, which is accusing the state's insiders of supplanting several supporters with anti-Trump forces.

At a tense meeting of the state party's executive committee, police removed pro-Trump protesters, and an already heightened sense of confrontation was exacerbated when Trump’s national director of social media tweeted out the personal cell phone of the state party chairman, Ryan Haynes.


“It was a bad day for the Republican Party in this state,” said Trump supporter Mark Winslow, who said he had been removed from a list of delegates agreed upon by Trump’s state director and Haynes on Wednesday, reclassified as an alternate and then removed altogether.

Trump’s backers maintain Haynes engineered the removal of several Trump supporters from a list of at-large Tennessee delegates and replaced with Republicans likely to support Trump’s rivals at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland -- if the nomination fight takes more than two ballots to resolve. Tennessee's delegates to the convention are bound to the results of the state primary -- which Trump won -- for the first two ballots.

Haynes rejected claims he had done anything improper and insisted there had been no agreement with the Trump campaign on an initial list of delegates. Rather, he noted, Tennessee's GOP rules give the party the ultimate authority to name delegates, and any guidance from the campaigns is purely advisory.

Haynes also noted that Trump is guaranteed a precise amount of delegate support on the first two ballots at the national convention.

“They had 33 delegates yesterday. They have 33 delegates today,” he said following the vote. “Those individuals by state law will be bound by two rounds of voting to vote for that candidate.”

Winslow said it would be up to the campaign to decide whether to challenge delegates before the RNC’s credentialing committee. A spokeswoman for the Trump campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment following Saturday’s vote.

Trump may not take the defeat quietly. He recently reacted angrily to similar maneuvering by Ted Cruz’s campaign that allowed it peel off some of his delegates in Louisiana - and his campaign filed a formal challenge to the results there. Trump has previously linked his support for the GOP to whether he considers himself being treated fairly by the party establishment. GOP leaders are worried that efforts to outmaneuver him in the delegate hunt could feed his supporters' grievances.

“It’s the events of today in Tennessee which justify Mr. Trump saying he has not been treated fair by the Republican Party,” said conservative commentator Scottie Nell Hughes, a Trump campaign surrogate whose husband, Chris Hughes, is among the Trump Tennessee delegates elected directly by voters.

The controversy erupted on Friday when Haynes produced a delegate slate that Trump’s campaign said differed from one they had settled on earlier this week.

“We won the votes. They are trying to steal them. I can’t believe I am writing this. But the Tennessee Republican Party wants to steal your vote TOMORROW,” Darren Morris, Trump’s Tennessee state director wrote in a missive late Friday night.

Party leaders, alarmed by an intensifying backlash throughout the night, hired extra security for the event -- and even briefly considered canceling it altogether.

Dozens of pro-Trump protesters gathered outside the meeting venue, and when some appeared on a balcony looking into the room where the meeting took place, police were called to remove them from the property.

During the meeting, Trump’s social media director Dan Scavino encouraged supporters nationwide to contact the state party chairman directly. “CALL THE TENNESSEE CHAIRMAIN, RYAN HAYNES at,” he tweeted, including Haynes’ cell phone number. “Let him know you support the TRUMP delegates!

Morris's anger stemmed from what he said was a deal that Trump’s campaign had struck with party leaders on Wednesday to fill the remaining at-large slots with Trump’s favored delegates.

Haynes said Morris exploded earlier in the week when the party informed the campaign they'd only get six of their seven delegate choices at Saturday's meeting.

"They informed us that they did not care about party procedures. They don't care about the Republican Party," Haynes said.

Haynes added that on Friday, the list of delegates changed again and only four of Trump's original seven requests were included, prompting Morris' scathing call to supporters.

“The State Party Chairman, Ryan Haynes, agreed to that ON WEDNESDAY,” Morris wrote. “Those pulling his puppet strings changed his mind and now apparently he wants to appoint delegates representing candidates who don’t support Donald Trump and WHO DID NOT RECEIVE ANY ALLOCATED DELEGATES on March 1.”

Brent Leatherwood, executive director of the Tennessee Republican Party, said there was never such a deal and accused the Trump campaign of speaking “dismissively” of one of their "female members.”

"Instead of stirring up strife and grossly mischaracterizing the conversation that took place between Mr. Morris and Chairman Haynes, let's set the record straight. There was never an agreement, especially after the Trump campaign spoke dismissively about the Party process and one of our female members,” Leatherwood said in a statement.

Morris urged supporters to crash the party's 10 a.m. Saturday executive committee meeting by arriving a half-hour in advance. “There is a small group of Tennessee establishment insiders pulling a fast one. DON’T LET THIS HAPPEN,” he wrote.

Trump, Ted Cruz and John Kasich are not only competing in primaries and caucuses across the country but to name the actual individuals who will serve as delegates because, should Trump fall short of the 1,237 delegates he needs to secure the GOP nomination on the first ballot, those individuals will ultimately select the nominee.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/tennessee-gop-delegates-donald-trump-221500#ixzz44hrvsy4M
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Re: Tennessee GOP delegate fight erupts ahead of party meeting
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2016, 09:27:34 pm »
So what happened? It's now late afternoon Tennessee time. How much "violence" erupted?

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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2016, 09:30:39 pm »
Welcome to politics tough guy. Sorry about the shovel in your face Mr. Trump. Guess that's the breaks.

Put the blade down and let's roll.
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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2016, 09:42:45 pm »
Welcome to politics tough guy. Sorry about the shovel in your face Mr. Trump. Guess that's the breaks.

Put the blade down and let's roll.

So what happened? It's now late afternoon Tennessee time. How much "violence" erupted?

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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2016, 09:49:30 pm »
So what happened? It's now late afternoon Tennessee time. How much "violence" erupted?

Apparently enough to need police to remove the protesters. Are you saying the police were wrong?
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Re: Tennessee GOP delegate fight erupts ahead of party meeting
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2016, 09:52:28 pm »
Is anyone on the Trump team not a petulant whiner?

Is anyone against Trump capable of not taking passive aggressive jabs at his supporters?
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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2016, 09:53:59 pm »
Is anyone against Trump capable of not taking passive aggressive jabs at his supporters?

Where's the fun in that?

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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2016, 09:56:18 pm »
Where's the fun in that?

Some people find it offensive and it diminishes the quality of discussions on this forum. People have feelings man, and it's not that hard to step on them.
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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2016, 10:14:51 pm »
Some people find it offensive and it diminishes the quality of discussions on this forum. People have feelings man, and it's not that hard to step on them.

My attack was on the "Trump team", not Trump supporters themselves.

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« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2016, 10:16:53 pm »
Apparently enough to need police to remove the protesters. Are you saying the police were wrong?

I asked a question. If you can't answer, just say so. You're delusional. I said nothing about the police.

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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2016, 10:20:38 pm »
Is anyone against Trump capable of not taking passive aggressive jabs at his supporters?

The insults, jabs and attacks reflects on the lack of character of those who post them.

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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2016, 10:21:48 pm »
I asked a question. If you can't answer, just say so. You're delusional. I said nothing about the police.

You were tying to be a lawyer, asking a slanted question in a court to attempt to bolster your weak position. Which I answered, but you refused to accept becaues it wasn't the answer you wanted. Then like a lawyer you doubled down with the delusional remark.

For whatever reason would protesters need to be removed by police unless they were committing some sort of violence?
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« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2016, 10:26:35 pm »
You were tying to be a lawyer, asking a slanted question in a court to attempt to bolster your weak position. Which I answered, but you refused to accept becaues it wasn't the answer you wanted. Then like a lawyer you doubled down with the delusional remark.

For whatever reason would protesters need to be removed by police unless they were committing some sort of violence?

Your delusions grow more absurd with each post. Try to focus on what is posted rather than your fantasies.  :silly:



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« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2016, 10:35:58 pm »
Your delusions grow more absurd with each post. Try to focus on what is posted rather than your fantasies.  :silly:

I would say packaged comebacks full of accusations based on words cleverly strung together with emoticons is fairly delusional.

There are no fantasies that police were called to remove the protesters. That in itself implies trespass and/or breach of peace. Both of those are forms of violence.

Maybe not the kind of violence YOU wanted it to be to make your point, but violence nonetheless. If nothing had happened then the police would not have had to do what they did.

It's simple causal logic. If that's beyond your intellectual grasp, there are no words that are going to help me explain it.
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« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2016, 10:44:20 pm »
I would say packaged comebacks full of accusations based on words cleverly strung together with emoticons is fairly delusional.

There are no fantasies that police were called to remove the protesters. That in itself implies trespass and/or breach of peace. Both of those are forms of violence.

Maybe not the kind of violence YOU wanted it to be to make your point, but violence nonetheless. If nothing had happened then the police would not have had to do what they did.

It's simple causal logic. If that's beyond your intellectual grasp, there are no words that are going to help me explain it.

Maybe this would be better then; Your moronic delusions make me laugh out loud. Doubling down as you do, makes it even more laughable.

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« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2016, 11:23:36 pm »
Is anyone on the Trump team not a petulant whiner?

This is clearly not an attack on Trump's supporters and certainly not the supporters at this site. I said "Trump team".

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« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2016, 11:23:55 pm »
How ironic from the poster who round the clock insults those opposed to Trump on a personal basis. In this thread alone we have:

     "Your moronic delusions make me laugh out loud."
     "Your delusions grow more absurd with each post."

Yesterday you were questioning the intelligence and maturity of posters who disagreed with your viewpoint.

Both quotes are accurate and true. Sorry if you are unable to comprehend that from the contents of the thread. The anti-Trumps sure can dish it out, but when some poster isn't intimidated by them, they whine.

"Round the clock" as you state isn't just an exaggeration, it's an outright lie.
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« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2016, 11:41:06 pm »
Maybe this would be better then; Your moronic delusions make me laugh out loud. Doubling down as you do, makes it even more laughable.

Well since you don't specifically address anything I've pointed out, I'm assuming that's just another prepackaged comeback from the pull-string doll.
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« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2016, 11:53:17 pm »
The insults, jabs and attacks reflects on the lack of character of those who post them.

If that bothers you, don't go looking into any mirrors; you'll hate what you see.