Author Topic: Political Graphics II  (Read 827067 times)

0 Members and 9 Guests are viewing this topic.

Online Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 57,953
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8325 on: January 21, 2022, 08:55:55 pm »

Online Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 57,953
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8326 on: January 21, 2022, 08:58:25 pm »

Online Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 57,953
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8327 on: January 21, 2022, 09:01:03 pm »
Wasn't sure if this should be posted in political graphics, or the official silliness thread:



Online Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 57,953
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8328 on: January 21, 2022, 09:03:37 pm »

Online Smokin Joe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 56,728
  • I was a "conspiracy theorist". Now I'm just right.
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8329 on: January 21, 2022, 10:29:41 pm »



Which is why we technically have a constitutional republic with certain minimum rights guaranteed to the minority.
,,,with equal rights guaranteed to the minority.
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis

Online Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 57,953
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8330 on: January 21, 2022, 10:33:20 pm »
,,,with equal rights guaranteed to the minority.


Not necessarily; with certain minimum rights guaranteed to the minority.

Online Smokin Joe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 56,728
  • I was a "conspiracy theorist". Now I'm just right.
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8331 on: January 21, 2022, 10:39:55 pm »

Not necessarily; with certain minimum rights guaranteed to the minority.
Maybe I missed the point of the first ten amendments, but what rights don't apply to the minority?

I get that if you vote in the minority on an initiated measure, or in the House or Senate, you don't get your way (not Rights, but decisions), but the fundamental unalienable and Constitutionally protected Rights exist for all citizens, not just the majority.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2022, 10:41:39 pm by Smokin Joe »
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis

Online Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 57,953
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8332 on: January 21, 2022, 10:46:45 pm »
Maybe I missed the point of the first ten amendments, but what rights don't apply to the minority?

I get that if you vote in the minority on an initiated measure, or in the House or Senate, you don't get your way (not Rights, but decisions), but the fundamental unalienable and Constitutionally protected Rights exist for all citizens, not just the majority.

You miss the point.  The Constitution provides that there are certain things the majority cannot do to the minority, no matter how large the majority, no matter how strongly felt its position is, and no matter how small the minority.  Those are the rights that the Bill of Rights guarantees.

However, it does not generally provide that just because the government grants a certain benefit to one group of people, it must ipso facto grant exactly the same benefit to everyone else.

Or, to put it in the converse, just because the government drafts young men into the army, doesn't mean that it must also draft young women.

Online Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 57,953
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8333 on: January 21, 2022, 10:48:58 pm »

Online Smokin Joe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 56,728
  • I was a "conspiracy theorist". Now I'm just right.
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8334 on: January 22, 2022, 12:08:39 am »
You miss the point.  The Constitution provides that there are certain things the majority cannot do to the minority, no matter how large the majority, no matter how strongly felt its position is, and no matter how small the minority.  Those are the rights that the Bill of Rights guarantees.

However, it does not generally provide that just because the government grants a certain benefit to one group of people, it must ipso facto grant exactly the same benefit to everyone else.

Or, to put it in the converse, just because the government drafts young men into the army, doesn't mean that it must also draft young women.
Benefits do not equal Rights. I think that is the source of confusion. Government grants many benefits, most of which are not guaranteed (nor authorized) by the Constitution, but those benefits are not Rights.
Serving in the Military, conscripted or otherwise, is not a Right. You have to pass or meet certain criteria to be eligible, otherwise, you do not get in, and those criteria range from physical capabilities to modes of behaviour (in re use of controlled substances and an absence of felonious history).

That isn't on the same plane as the Right to worship the deity of your choosing (or none at all), nor the right to freely express your opinion, nor the right to peaceably assemble in protest or support, nor the right to speak of or publish your musings on any of that and more. just to wallow through the First Amendment. We do have theoretical limits, for obscenity (pretty loose nowadays), and no human sacrifice, but still the fundamentals are there for all.

 
« Last Edit: January 22, 2022, 12:15:24 am by Smokin Joe »
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis

Online Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 57,953
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8335 on: January 22, 2022, 12:22:56 am »
Benefits do not equal Rights. I think that is the source of confusion. Government grants many benefits, most of which are not guaranteed (nor authorized) by the Constitution, but those benefits are not Rights.
Serving in the Military, conscripted or otherwise, is not a Right. You have to pass or meet certain criteria to be eligible, otherwise, you do not get in, and those criteria range from physical capabilities to modes of behaviour (in re use of controlled substances and an absence of felonious history).

That isn't on the same plane as the Right to worship the deity of your choosing (or none at all), nor the right to freely express your opinion, nor the right to peaceably assemble in protest or support, nor the right to speak of or publish your musings on any of that and more. just to wallow through the First Amendment. We do have theoretical limits, for obscenity (pretty loose nowadays), and no human sacrifice, but still the fundamentals are there for all.

 


Whatever.  You want to make a mountain out of a molehill; have fun, I have other things to do.  You are totally missing the point of the original comment; however.

Online Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 57,953
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8336 on: January 22, 2022, 12:26:07 am »

Online Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 57,953
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8337 on: January 22, 2022, 12:29:49 am »

Online Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 57,953
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8338 on: January 22, 2022, 12:33:11 am »

Online Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 57,953
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8339 on: January 22, 2022, 12:34:57 am »

Online Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 57,953
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8340 on: January 22, 2022, 12:40:15 am »

Online Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 57,953
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8341 on: January 22, 2022, 12:43:24 am »

Online Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 57,953
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8342 on: January 22, 2022, 12:45:47 am »
Interesting take on it:


Online Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 57,953
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8343 on: January 22, 2022, 12:50:08 am »

Offline Slide Rule

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,589
  • Gender: Male
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8344 on: January 22, 2022, 01:50:39 am »
White, American, MAGA, 3% Neanderthal, and 97% Extreme Right Wing Conservative.

Recommended

J Boswell, The Life of Samuel Johnson
E Burke, Reflections on the Revolution in France
N Davies, Europe: A History
R Feynman, The Feynman Lectures on Physics
R Penrose, The Road To Reality & The Emperor's New Mind
K Popper, An Open Society and Its Enemies & The Logic of Scientific Discovery
A Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago, & Everything he wrote

Offline Slide Rule

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,589
  • Gender: Male
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8345 on: January 22, 2022, 01:51:14 am »
White, American, MAGA, 3% Neanderthal, and 97% Extreme Right Wing Conservative.

Recommended

J Boswell, The Life of Samuel Johnson
E Burke, Reflections on the Revolution in France
N Davies, Europe: A History
R Feynman, The Feynman Lectures on Physics
R Penrose, The Road To Reality & The Emperor's New Mind
K Popper, An Open Society and Its Enemies & The Logic of Scientific Discovery
A Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago, & Everything he wrote

Offline Slide Rule

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,589
  • Gender: Male
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8346 on: January 22, 2022, 01:51:42 am »
White, American, MAGA, 3% Neanderthal, and 97% Extreme Right Wing Conservative.

Recommended

J Boswell, The Life of Samuel Johnson
E Burke, Reflections on the Revolution in France
N Davies, Europe: A History
R Feynman, The Feynman Lectures on Physics
R Penrose, The Road To Reality & The Emperor's New Mind
K Popper, An Open Society and Its Enemies & The Logic of Scientific Discovery
A Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago, & Everything he wrote

Offline Slide Rule

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,589
  • Gender: Male
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8347 on: January 22, 2022, 01:52:17 am »
White, American, MAGA, 3% Neanderthal, and 97% Extreme Right Wing Conservative.

Recommended

J Boswell, The Life of Samuel Johnson
E Burke, Reflections on the Revolution in France
N Davies, Europe: A History
R Feynman, The Feynman Lectures on Physics
R Penrose, The Road To Reality & The Emperor's New Mind
K Popper, An Open Society and Its Enemies & The Logic of Scientific Discovery
A Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago, & Everything he wrote

Offline Slide Rule

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,589
  • Gender: Male
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8348 on: January 22, 2022, 01:52:54 am »
White, American, MAGA, 3% Neanderthal, and 97% Extreme Right Wing Conservative.

Recommended

J Boswell, The Life of Samuel Johnson
E Burke, Reflections on the Revolution in France
N Davies, Europe: A History
R Feynman, The Feynman Lectures on Physics
R Penrose, The Road To Reality & The Emperor's New Mind
K Popper, An Open Society and Its Enemies & The Logic of Scientific Discovery
A Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago, & Everything he wrote

Offline Slide Rule

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14,589
  • Gender: Male
Re: Political Graphics II
« Reply #8349 on: January 22, 2022, 01:53:40 am »
White, American, MAGA, 3% Neanderthal, and 97% Extreme Right Wing Conservative.

Recommended

J Boswell, The Life of Samuel Johnson
E Burke, Reflections on the Revolution in France
N Davies, Europe: A History
R Feynman, The Feynman Lectures on Physics
R Penrose, The Road To Reality & The Emperor's New Mind
K Popper, An Open Society and Its Enemies & The Logic of Scientific Discovery
A Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago, & Everything he wrote