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Donald Has Been Reading The Wrong Experts
« on: March 01, 2016, 11:13:15 am »
Donald Trump's affection for the Mussolini statement, "It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep." reveals a mindset very much at odds with the Framers of our U.S. Constitution.

To the Framers, power was something they wanted to minimize, in every government office and officeholder.

 Patrick Henry said, "Power is the great evil with which we are contending. We have divided power between three branches of government and erected checks and balances to prevent abuse of power.

Thomas Jefferson worried about abuse of power in the Judicial Branch.  He said, ""The judiciary of the United States is the subtle corps of sappers and miners constantly working under ground to undermine the foundations of our confederated fabric. They are construing our constitution from a co-ordination of a general and special government to a general and supreme one alone."

Jefferson saw the role of the President as being administrator of the Constitution, a Constitution belonging to the people and in accord with its original meaning.  He said, "The Constitution on which our Union rests, shall be administered by me [as President] according to the safe and honest meaning contemplated by the plain understanding of the people of the United States at the time of its adoption -- a meaning to be found in the explanations of those who advocated, not those who opposed it, and who opposed it merely lest the construction should be applied which they denounced as possible."

Thomas Paine worried about executive power when he wrote the pamphlet, "Common Sense."  He said, "But where says some is the king of America? I'll tell you Friend, he reigns above, and doth not make havoc of mankind like the Royal of Britain. Yet that we may not appear to be defective even in earthly honors, let a day be solemnly set apart for proclaiming the charter; let it be brought forth placed on the divine law, the word of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which the world may know, that so far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the law is king. For as in absolute governments the king is law, so in free countries the law ought to be king; and there ought to be no other. But lest any ill use should afterwards arise, let the crown at the conclusion of the ceremony be demolished, and scattered among the people whose right it is. "

Samuel Adams noted his distaste for a strongman lion leader when, after all the delegates signed the Declaration of Independence in 1776, he said:  "We have this day restored the Sovereign to Whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in Heaven and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His Kingdom come."

The Declaration itself was a detailed list of grievances against a lion leader.  A portion of that sentiment was this:  "The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."

After listing their grievances they stated this:  "We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown..."

Instead of a strongman, the Founders of this Nation considered the only hands in which our liberty was safe were the Hands of God.  As Jefferson said, "Can the liberties of a nation be sure when we remove their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people, that these liberties are the gift of God?"

They believed that our Nation was blessed, not because of its own goodness, but because of God's grace and our dependence on Him.   Benjamin Franklin: said “The longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth: that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?”

Notice the lack of self pride and arrogance in these men?  They were students of history and deep thinkers.  They understood the danger of power in the hands of corruptible men.  They believed that power and glory belonged to the Creator, not the President.

Mr Trump, being the self proclaimed good Christian that he is, ought to know, the Bible teaches pride comes before destruction; humility comes before honor; that it is better for another to tout your accomplishments, rather than brag about yourself; that God commands we humble ourselves before Him; that it is His greatness and honor and glory we should seek, not our own; that God will bless the meek and punish the proud and defiant; that vengeance belongs to God, not to Donald Trump.

Right and wrong are not the flip side of winning and losing.  Mussolini's lion like power was an evil power.  Right and wrong are revealed in the understand of the difference between good and evil.  That sort of wisdom is understood over time, by a careful self examination and effort to inform ones conscience, preferably with wisdom from above shown through the light of history.  People who show signs of possessing that wisdom do not dwell on their own greatness, but they are able and willing to admit when they are wrong.

God is the only one who can make America great again.  Unless we "restore the Sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient" it will never happen.

Mr. Trump, maybe you have been reading the wrong experts.

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Re: Donald Has Been Reading The Wrong Experts
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2016, 12:36:44 pm »
A very good read. Thank you for posting it. I would nominate this to be put in the masthead if it was up to me. 

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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2016, 01:25:14 pm »
With editor hat on, I've asked for it to be put in that section.

Nice job!

Only suggestion I have - link to your sources for quotes. It;s the internet, no reason not to since the accursed footnote is no more!  :laugh:
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Re: Donald Has Been Reading The Wrong Experts
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2016, 01:36:06 pm »
Nice work, RAT.  I agree wholeheartedly with your analysis.  I posted this on another thread, but it seems most appropriate here as well, so I copy and paste.  Sorry to those who have to read it twice:

I must say this campaign is causing me to really evaluate my convictions, and ask myself some hard questions.  I have often wondered what I would have done at the flex points in history.  For example, prior to the Civil War would I have been a Democrat or a Republican?  Had I been alive in Germany during the 1930s, would I have gone with Hitler?  These are big questions for me because I am a former radical leftist, so I know that I can be susceptible to false propaganda that tugs at the emotion.  This is the reason I chose to ground my political philosophy in the reasoning of Locke, Jefferson, Hayek and Friedman, and the legal manifestation of that reasoning, which is the Bill of Rights.  Thanks to a paradigm as simple as "Life, Liberty, Property" I know what I stand for and what I believe in.

Now all of a sudden I am to support a man who in the recent past has supported various types of gun control (a violation of the right to Life), taking away the civil liberties of Muslims (a violation of religious liberty), changing the libel laws so that the press will be less free to write what they want (a violation of free speech), and increasing government authority in eminent domain (a violation of individual property rights).  And that is just the tip of the iceberg with this man.  There is simply no compatibility with Trump's point of view and classical liberal philosophy.  None.  If he is the nominee of the Republican Party I will be at a loss as to what to do.

When a demagogue like Trump comes along, it shakes me to the core because I have seen what happens to societies that, in desperation, turn to demagogues.  I honestly believe Trump could be a very, very dangerous man who steers this country to a dark place.  And I would hate myself for being part of the rabble that enabled him.  So for now I am going to cling to the hope that my party comes to its senses before I am stuck with a personal ethical dilemma of monumental proportions.

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Re: Donald Has Been Reading The Wrong Experts
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2016, 02:09:25 pm »
Nice work, RAT.  I agree wholeheartedly with your analysis.  I posted this on another thread, but it seems most appropriate here as well, so I copy and paste.  Sorry to those who have to read it twice:

I must say this campaign is causing me to really evaluate my convictions, and ask myself some hard questions.  I have often wondered what I would have done at the flex points in history.  For example, prior to the Civil War would I have been a Democrat or a Republican?  Had I been alive in Germany during the 1930s, would I have gone with Hitler?  These are big questions for me because I am a former radical leftist, so I know that I can be susceptible to false propaganda that tugs at the emotion.  This is the reason I chose to ground my political philosophy in the reasoning of Locke, Jefferson, Hayek and Friedman, and the legal manifestation of that reasoning, which is the Bill of Rights.  Thanks to a paradigm as simple as "Life, Liberty, Property" I know what I stand for and what I believe in.

Now all of a sudden I am to support a man who in the recent past has supported various types of gun control (a violation of the right to Life), taking away the civil liberties of Muslims (a violation of religious liberty), changing the libel laws so that the press will be less free to write what they want (a violation of free speech), and increasing government authority in eminent domain (a violation of individual property rights).  And that is just the tip of the iceberg with this man.  There is simply no compatibility with Trump's point of view and classical liberal philosophy.  None.  If he is the nominee of the Republican Party I will be at a loss as to what to do.

When a demagogue like Trump comes along, it shakes me to the core because I have seen what happens to societies that, in desperation, turn to demagogues.  I honestly believe Trump could be a very, very dangerous man who steers this country to a dark place.  And I would hate myself for being part of the rabble that enabled him.  So for now I am going to cling to the hope that my party comes to its senses before I am stuck with a personal ethical dilemma of monumental proportions.

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Re: Donald Has Been Reading The Wrong Experts
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2016, 02:17:57 pm »
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To the Framers, power was something they wanted to minimize, in every government office and officeholder.
Amen, amen, amen!
Also agree with your comments, VM, and I'm not even a former radical leftist!  ^-^
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Re: Donald Has Been Reading The Wrong Experts
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2016, 02:26:47 pm »
Totally in awe of the words penned by RAT Patrol and VM on this thread.  They should BOTH be on the masthead.

As Victor said, we are at a flex point in our history.  Dare we put our future in the hands of a man who moves from one shiny thing to another, giving little thought to any of them, all in service of his own vainglory?
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Re: Donald Has Been Reading The Wrong Experts
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2016, 02:30:52 pm »
Totally in awe of the words penned by RAT Patrol and VM on this thread.  They should BOTH be on the masthead.

As Victor said, we are at a flex point in our history.  Dare we put our future in the hands of a man who moves from one shiny thing to another, giving little thought to any of them, all in service of his own vainglory?
Or dare we put it in the hands of

What a miserable choice.
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