Why I'll Gladly Vote for Trump in November, if it Comes to It

[Bigun]

I'm just curious. Are you withdrawing your support of Sen. Sessions, one of our strongest conservative senators on tightening immigration policy?

Senator Sessions is just a man! Just as fallible as any other!  I STRONGLY disagree with him on Trump and have lost respect for him as a result! Maybe he knows something that I don't but until he tells me what that something is IN DETAIL my opinions are not going to change!

Donald Trump is, and always has been, a DEMOCRAT and I do not vote for democrats!

 

[Jazzhead]

Donald Trump is, and always has been, a DEMOCRAT and I do not vote for democrats!

I don't vote for Democrats either, except when they are the last line of defense to fascism.   

[Bigun]

I don't vote for Democrats either, except when they are the last line of defense to fascism.

Donald Trump is living proof that you CAN sell popsicles to SOME Eskimos!

[musiclady]

I will never ever cast a vote for Donald Trump! EVER!

How in the world can a pro-life voter vote for a pro-abortion candidate?

How in the world can a Christian vote for someone who is mocking Christianity by using it to get more power for himself?

How in the world can a woman who has self-respect vote for a man who verbally abuses women and uses them?

How in the world can a moral person vote for a despicably immoral man?

I may change my mind, but right now, I have no idea how I can vote for this vile, disgusting, hate-filled man.....

[alicewonders]

My, my, my.

This is getting painful to witness.  Up until this last year, the GOP establishment was, what most of us agreed, THE problem in not working harder to stop Obama's agenda and not representing the people that sent them there - not to mention not standing for anything anymore. 

We were happy to see some "outsiders" running to challenge the inside-the-beltway Uni-party establishment that has had no victory to show on hardly any issue.  The candidates have run the race and now we see the finish line up ahead, and we are down to just a handful of runners.  One candidate has a pretty good lead and looks to be headed to crossing the finish line - a definite outsider that will shake up and sweep the cobwebs out of our stale and ineffective party. 

But now, I see people HERE that say they will not vote for our candidate if he is Donald Trump.  A man who is winning an honest race, a man that is quickly becoming the choice for a majority of our party - gaining numbers everyday.  Some even have the gall to say Hillary would be the better choice!

Have you people gone insane?  Do you need a diaper change?  Colic?  Hungry?  Need a nap?

'Cause that's what you're acting like - crybabies. 

I hope like hell, that advocating for Hillary Clinton will not be tolerated here once we have a nominee to run against her.  That would be very disappointing.  It's not a "free speech" issue - or every Tom, Dick and Harry from Democrat Underground and any puke-face Occutard or Black Pampers nut would be allowed to post here carte blanche!  (Sometimes, seeing this crap - I wonder if they already aren't!)

The histrionics and infantile stomping of feet - because your candidate is not winning - is unbelievably sad to see.  Some of you really need to step back, drink some hot tea - maybe add a shot of something potent, take something to calm yourself down - I don't know, smoke a joint or something.  Maybe yoga?  It works for Hillary.  Whatever.  You need to take a break and take a breath.  I understand you're scared to death. 

Something is happening this election that has never happened before, at least in our lifetimes.  It's called a revolution and it's been a long time coming.  If you're going to run back into the arms of the establishment - whose corruption has brought us here...

... the only thing I can come up with to explain it is Stockholm Syndrome. 

The people that brought us the Arab Spring - you would trust THEM over anyone else?   

What are you - an abused wife dropping all charges after having her jaw broken in three places? 

Don't give me that stuff about THIS guy is not a conservative, he's Mussolini, he's really working for Hillary, he's a Democrat! 

He is a capitalist that has to work within the confines of a sorry corrupt system that these establishment guys have devised to enrich themselves.  I've owned a business - you take any damned loophole you can find to ease your tax/fee/license/regulatory burden - so you don't have to lay somebody else off!  You take a cut in pay so you don't have to raise your prices AGAIN just to keep your head above water.  You put everything on the line so that stupid liberals can call you evil for owning a business and trying to employ some people.

Yeah, a businessman.  You can't get anymore evil than that.

Some of you do need to take some time off and think about the consequences of what you are pushing for people to do.  Brave heroes DIED so that you wouldn't throw your vote away in a tantrum fit!  If THIS is the face of "Conservatism" today - NO thank you!

[Bigun]

How in the world can a pro-life voter vote for a pro-abortion candidate?

How in the world can a Christian vote for someone who is mocking Christianity by using it to get more power for himself?

How in the world can a woman who has self-respect vote for a man who verbally abuses women and uses them?

How in the world can a moral person vote for a despicably immoral man?

I may change my mind, but right now, I have no idea how I can vote for this vile, disgusting, hate-filled man.....

I have no idea!

I pray daily for God to remove the scales from their eyes before it's to late.

[Scottftlc]

I'm not sure what you base that opinion on, but I disagree with you on this point.  They don't care.  Chances of them being voted out are small, and the power they wield in office is massive.

I base it on history (Trump will be no more hated by the Republicans in Congress than Reagan was hated by the Democrats in Congress when he took office, and he will be hated by Republicans far less than George W. Bush was hated by Democrats after the election of 2000, which they thought he stole from them).  The voters deliver a message, that is not lost on those who rely on voters for their position. When a president gets a majority of the voters in a national election he comes to Washington with a cache, those who rely on votes do not openly reject the will of a national vote - it will be like two predators circling each other sizing each other up - but each of them will be watched by those that put them there.

I also base it on what I'm learning from this election cycle, which is exceedingly unusual.  I went to a Republican caucus (first time for me in a caucus, I lived my entire life before in a primary state) a week ago and two things struck me that make sense given what we've seen in this cycle.  The first was (unlike what we see here on this board!) the supporters of different candidates were quite friendly with each other, joking with the others and not really concerned about the bitterness shown by political figures in the race and in Congress.  There was no question that all would come together when this nomination was over and get behind the winner - that was even said by supporters of the different candidates.  The second thing was very surprising - it was a Republican caucus but there was pretty open disdain for the Party itself (and even more disdain for the Democrat Party).  The caucus goers were not fans of the Party or the Party apparatus.  There was a lot said there that was surprising because it was apparent that the political parties are not held in high regard by the rank and file voters.  These were Republicans talking down the Republican Party - feeling that the party was completely out of touch with the people.  You would expect this from Trump supporters but it was just as pronounced amongst Cruz supporters.  I think this dynamic will be very treacherous for the party establishment in Washington if they openly oppose the winner of the national election.

[Bigun]

AN OPEN LETTER TO TRUMP SUPPORTERS

To my friends supporting Donald Trump:

The Trump coalition is broad and complicated, but I believe many Trump fans are well-meaning. I have spoken at length with many of you, both inside and outside Nebraska. You are rightly worried about our national direction. You ache about a crony-capitalist leadership class that is not urgent about tackling our crises. You are right to be angry.

I’m as frustrated and saddened as you are about what’s happening to our country. But I cannot support Donald Trump.

Please understand: I’m not an establishment Republican, and I will never support Hillary Clinton. I’m a movement conservative who was elected over the objections of the GOP establishment. My current answer for who I would support in a hypothetical matchup between Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton is: Neither of them. I sincerely hope we select one of the other GOP candidates, but if Donald Trump ends up as the GOP nominee, conservatives will need to find a third option.

Mr. Trump’s relentless focus is on dividing Americans, and on tearing down rather than building back up this glorious nation. Much like President Obama, he displays essentially no understanding of the fact that, in the American system, we have a constitutional system of checks and balances, with three separate but co-equal branches of government. And the task of public officials is to be public “servants.” The law is king, and the people are boss. But have you noticed how Mr. Trump uses the word “Reign” – like he thinks he’s running for King? It’s creepy, actually. Nebraskans are not looking for a king. We yearn instead for the recovery of a Constitutional Republic.

At this point in Nebraska discussions, many of you have immediately gotten practical: “Okay, fine, you think there are better choices than Trump. But you would certainly still vote for Trump over Clinton in a general election, right?”

Before I explain why my answer is “Neither of them,” let me correct some nonsense you might have heard on the internet of late.

WHY I RAN FOR SENATE
***No, I’m not a career politician. (I had never run for anything until being elected to the U.S. Senate fifteen months ago, and I ran precisely because I actually want to make America great again.)
***No, I’m not a lawyer who has never created a job. (I was a business guy before becoming a college president in my hometown.)
***No, I’m not part of the Establishment. (Sheesh, I had attack ads by the lobbyist class run against me while I was on a bus tour doing 16 months of townhalls across Nebraska. Why? Precisely because I was not the preferred candidate of Washington.)
***No, I’m not concerned about political job security. (The very first thing I did upon being sworn in in January 2015 was to introduce a constitutional amendment for term limits – this didn’t exactly endear me to my new colleagues.)
***No, I’m not for open borders. (The very first official trip I took in the Senate was to observe and condemn how laughably porous the Texas/Mexican border is. See 70 tweets from @bensasse in February 2015.)
***No, I’m not a “squishy,” feel-good, grow-government moderate. (I have the 4th most-conservative voting record in the Senate: https://www.conservativereview.com/members/benjamin-sasse/ http://www.heritageactionscorecard.com/membe…/member/S001197 )

In my very first speech to the Senate, I told my colleagues that “The people despise us all.” This institution needs to get to work, not on the lobbyists’ priorities, but on the people’s: https://youtu.be/zQMoB4aUn04?t=3m8s

Now, to the question at hand: Will I pledge to vote for just any “Republican” nominee over Hillary Clinton?

Let’s begin by rejecting naïve purists: Politics has no angels. Politics is not about creating heaven on earth. Politics is simply about preserving a framework for ordered liberty – so that free people can find meaning and happiness not in politics but in their families, their neighborhoods, their work.

POLITICAL PARTIES

Now, let’s talk about political parties: parties are just tools to enact the things that we believe. Political parties are not families; they are not religions; they are not nations – they are often not even on the level of sports loyalties. They are just tools. I was not born Republican. I chose this party, for as long as it is useful.
If our Party is no longer working for the things we believe in – like defending the sanctity of life, stopping ObamaCare, protecting the Second Amendment, etc. – then people of good conscience should stop supporting that party until it is reformed.

VOTING

Now, let’s talk about voting: Voting is usually just about choosing the lesser evil of the most viable candidates.
“Usually…” But not always. Certain moments are larger. They cause us to explicitly ask: Who are we as a people? What does the way we vote here say about our shared identity? What is actually the president’s job?

THE PRESIDENT’S CORE CALLING

The president’s job is not about just mindlessly shouting the word “strong” – as if Vladimir Putin, who has been strongly bombing civilian populations in Syria the last month, is somehow a model for the American presidency. No, the president’s core calling is to “Preserve, Protect, and Defend the Constitution.”
Before we ever get into any technical policy fights – about pipelines, or marginal tax rates, or term limits, or Medicare reimbursement codes – America is first and fundamentally about a shared Constitutional creed. America is exceptional, because she is at her heart a big, bold truth claim about human dignity, natural rights, and self-control – and therefore necessarily about limited rather than limitless government.

THE MEANING OF AMERICA

America is the most exceptional nation in the history of the world because our Constitution is the best political document that’s ever been written. It said something different than almost any other government had said before: Most governments before said that might makes right, that government decides what our rights are and that the people are just dependent subjects. Our Founders said that God gives us rights by nature, and that government is not the author or source of our rights. Government is just our shared project to secure those rights.
Government exists only because the world is fallen, and some people want to take your property, your liberty, and your life. Government is tasked with securing a framework for ordered liberty where “we the people” can in our communities voluntarily build something great together for our kids and grandkids. That’s America. Freedom of religion, freedom of the press, freedom of association, freedom of speech – the First Amendment is the heartbeat of the American Constitution, of the American idea itself.

WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT TO MR. TRUMP?

So let me ask you: Do you believe the beating heart of Mr. Trump’s candidacy has been a defense of the Constitution? Do you believe it’s been an impassioned defense of the First Amendment – or an attack on it?
Which of the following quotes give you great comfort that he’s in love with the First Amendment, that he is committed to defending the Constitution, that he believes in executive restraint, that he understands servant leadership?

Statements from Trump:

***“We’re going to open up libel laws and we’re going to have people sue you like you’ve never got sued before.”
***“When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. They were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak…”
***Putin, who has killed journalists and is pillaging Ukraine, is a great leader.
***The editor of National Review “should not be allowed on TV and the FCC should fine him.”
***On whether he will use executive orders to end-run Congress, as President Obama has illegally done: "I won't refuse it. I'm going to do a lot of things." “I mean, he’s led the way, to be honest with you.”
***“Sixty-eight percent would not leave under any circumstance. I think that means murder. It think it means anything.”
***On the internet: “I would certainly be open to closing areas” of it.
***His lawyers to people selling anti-Trump t-shirts: “Mr. Trump considers this to be a very serious matter and has authorized our legal team to take all necessary and appropriate actions to bring an immediate halt...”
***Similar threatening legal letters to competing campaigns running ads about his record.
And on it goes…

IF MR. TRUMP BECOMES THE NOMINEE...

Given what we know about him today, here’s where I’m at: If Donald Trump becomes the Republican nominee, my expectation is that I will look for some third candidate – a conservative option, a Constitutionalist.
I do not claim to speak for a movement, but I suspect I am far from alone. After listening to Nebraskans in recent weeks, and talking to a great many people who take oaths seriously, I think many are in the same place. I believe a sizable share of Christians – who regard threats against religious liberty as arguably the greatest crisis of our time – are unwilling to support any candidate who does not make a full-throated defense of the First Amendment a first commitment of their candidacy.
Conservatives understand that all men are created equal and made in the image of God, but also that government must be limited so that fallen men do not wield too much power. A presidential candidate who boasts about what he'll do during his "reign" and refuses to condemn the KKK cannot lead a conservative movement in America.

TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT

Thank you for listening. While I recognize that we disagree about how to make America great again, we agree that this should be our goal. We need more people engaged in the civic life of our country—not fewer. I genuinely appreciate how much many of you care about this country, and that you are demanding something different from Washington. I’m going to keep doing the same thing.

But I can’t support Donald Trump.

Humbly,

Ben Sasse

Nebraska

Pretty much speaks for me!

[mountaineer]

From Herman Cain:

Why do I'll-never-vote-for-Trump conservatives think Hillary is an acceptable choice? She's far worse than he is.

I completely understand why some conservatives are horrified at the prospect of Donald Trump being the Republican nominee for president. I understand their discomfort with his bluster, with his lack of any history supporting conservtive ideas, with his many contributions to Democrat candidates, with some elements of his track record in business. Some of it bothers me too, although I do think a lot of the handwringing is over things that don't really matter that much.

But look, sure, nominating a guy like Donald Trump is in all kinds of ways contrary to what conservative movement types have advocated for decades. I wanted a conservative governor with a really solid record of governing achievements using conservative policy ideas, which is why I was so all over Scott Walker in the early going - and why I think to this day that it was a mistake not to give Rick Perry more serious consideration.

But hey, that's how it went. Right now Trump appears to be the odds-on favorite for the nomination, and a lot of conservatives are beside themselves of it. I get it.

But what I don't get is the currently popular fad of self-styled conservative intellectuals declaring that they will never vote for Trump, even if he is the nominee, and even if it means Hillary Clinton becomes president. If the thinking here is that Trump is so far beyond-the-pale unacceptable that we must bite the bullet and support a Democrat this time around - lest we subject the nation to the horrors of Trump - I would like to remind you of something important:

Whatever Trump's faults, Hillary Clinton is far worse in every conceivable way. ...

Read on

[Sanguine]

I base it on history (Trump will be no more hated by the Republicans in Congress than Reagan was hated by the Democrats in Congress when he took office, and he will be hated by Republicans far less than George W. Bush was hated by Democrats after the election of 2000, which they thought he stole from them).  The voters deliver a message, that is not lost on those who rely on voters for their position. When a president gets a majority of the voters in a national election he comes to Washington with a cache, those who rely on votes do not openly reject the will of a national vote - it will be like two predators circling each other sizing each other up - but each of them will be watched by those that put them there.

I contend that they have solidified their power to the point that they really aren't challenged by the electorate.  And - I think Trump will go where the power is, and quickly become part of the problem.

I also base it on what I'm learning from this election cycle, which is exceedingly unusual.  I went to a Republican caucus (first time for me in a caucus, I lived my entire life before in a primary state) a week ago and two things struck me that make sense given what we've seen in this cycle.  The first was (unlike what we see here on this board!) the supporters of different candidates were quite friendly with each other, joking with the others and not really concerned about the bitterness shown by political figures in the race and in Congress.  There was no question that all would come together when this nomination was over and get behind the winner - that was even said by supporters of the different candidates.  The second thing was very surprising - it was a Republican caucus but there was pretty open disdain for the Party itself (and even more disdain for the Democrat Party).

Yes, but I think that is more a function of being face to face, rather than being an anonymous poster on an internet forum.

The caucus goers were not fans of the Party or the Party apparatus.  There was a lot said there that was surprising because it was apparent that the political parties are not held in high regard by the rank and file voters.  These were Republicans talking down the Republican Party - feeling that the party was completely out of touch with the people.  You would expect this from Trump supporters but it was just as pronounced amongst Cruz supporters.  I think this dynamic will be very treacherous for the party establishment in Washington if they openly oppose the winner of the national election.

No, because we can all discern the contempt and disregard they have for us now.  This IS different from our history.  We have adapted a European style of socialism (granted, not yet to the extent that Europe has), and the entrenched bureaucracy (of which elected officials soon become a part) really doesn't care what we think.

Cynical this morning I guess....

[Scottftlc]

I contend that they have solidified their power to the point that they really aren't challenged by the electorate.  And - I think Trump will go where the power is, and quickly become part of the problem.

Yes, but I think that is more a function of being face to face, rather than being an anonymous poster on an internet forum.

No, because we can all discern the contempt and disregard they have for us now.  This IS different from our history.  We have adapted a European style of socialism (granted, not yet to the extent that Europe has), and the entrenched bureaucracy (of which elected officials soon become a part) really doesn't care what we think.

Cynical this morning I guess....

Ah, you can join me in CynicalLand...and I do think it is possible Trump will do as you say in your first thought.  I hope not, but you just can't be certain in advance.

[andy58-in-nh]

I understand that others feel differently (and strongly) about this, but if the choice comes down to Trump v. Hillary, I am not going to sit home stewing about what might have been.

The reservations I have about Donald Trump could book every room in the Trump Tower.

But he's not the devil and in my estimation, Hillary Clinton is.

If Trump becomes President, he has business life skills and experience, and a demonstrated ability to rally people to a cause. He clearly loves his country. He might grow in office and will repeal much of the worst of Obama's eight-year reign of feculence.

With Hillary, that's strikes one through three, followed by a desperate need to be booted from the field for lying, cheating, theft and worse.

If it comes down to such a choice, I will not be happy. But I won't be suicidal, either. And make no mistake: Hillary will finish off America, for good.

[truth_seeker]

My, my, my.

I like that explanation very much.

They bitch and moan for years about wanting a revolution of sorts, then get cold feet and want to run back to the predictability and safety of the very establishment they claim to want to displace.

In order to beat somebody, you have to have somebody. To date that individual has not shown up.

This place has entirely lost the qualities that were an attraction. A group have been given keys to screw up the place.

I don't mind somebody saying they hold the opposing position. I DO MIND them taking over the forum and telling me that ONE HUNDRED TIMES every day.

[aligncare]

My, my, my.

This is getting painful to witness.  Up until this last year, the GOP establishment was, what most of us agreed, THE problem in not working harder to stop Obama's agenda and not representing the people that sent them there - not to mention not standing for anything anymore. 

We were happy to see some "outsiders" running to challenge the inside-the-beltway Uni-party establishment that has had no victory to show on hardly any issue.  The candidates have run the race and now we see the finish line up ahead, and we are down to just a handful of runners.  One candidate has a pretty good lead and looks to be headed to crossing the finish line - a definite outsider that will shake up and sweep the cobwebs out of our stale and ineffective party. 

But now, I see people HERE that say they will not vote for our candidate if he is Donald Trump.  A man who is winning an honest race, a man that is quickly becoming the choice for a majority of our party - gaining numbers everyday.  Some even have the gall to say Hillary would be the better choice!

Have you people gone insane?  Do you need a diaper change?  Colic?  Hungry?  Need a nap?

'Cause that's what you're acting like - crybabies. 

I hope like hell, that advocating for Hillary Clinton will not be tolerated here once we have a nominee to run against her.  That would be very disappointing.  It's not a "free speech" issue - or every Tom, Dick and Harry from Democrat Underground and any puke-face Occutard or Black Pampers nut would be allowed to post here carte blanche!  (Sometimes, seeing this crap - I wonder if they already aren't!)

The histrionics and infantile stomping of feet - because your candidate is not winning - is unbelievably sad to see.  Some of you really need to step back, drink some hot tea - maybe add a shot of something potent, take something to calm yourself down - I don't know, smoke a joint or something.  Maybe yoga?  It works for Hillary.  Whatever.  You need to take a break and take a breath.  I understand you're scared to death. 

Something is happening this election that has never happened before, at least in our lifetimes.  It's called a revolution and it's been a long time coming.  If you're going to run back into the arms of the establishment - whose corruption has brought us here...

... the only thing I can come up with to explain it is Stockholm Syndrome. 

The people that brought us the Arab Spring - you would trust THEM over anyone else?   

What are you - an abused wife dropping all charges after having her jaw broken in three places? 

Don't give me that stuff about THIS guy is not a conservative, he's Mussolini, he's really working for Hillary, he's a Democrat! 

He is a capitalist that has to work within the confines of a sorry corrupt system that these establishment guys have devised to enrich themselves.  I've owned a business - you take any damned loophole you can find to ease your tax/fee/license/regulatory burden - so you don't have to lay somebody else off!  You take a cut in pay so you don't have to raise your prices AGAIN just to keep your head above water.  You put everything on the line so that stupid liberals can call you evil for owning a business and trying to employ some people.

Yeah, a businessman.  You can't get anymore evil than that.

Some of you do need to take some time off and think about the consequences of what you are pushing for people to do.  Brave heroes DIED so that you wouldn't throw your vote away in a tantrum fit!  If THIS is the face of "Conservatism" today - NO thank you!

I hope folks here take the time to read this, because you've served up a strong dose of reality.

You can remove scales from eyes all day long but it won't stop what is happening across the country. Trump is racking up wins in every aspect of a typical campaign: a strong campaign message, strong state and national poll numbers, early state primary wins, momentum, important and significant endorsements, media attention, drawing capacity at rallies.

That's a strong – maybe for some of you, a bitter – dose of reality.

[Bill Cipher]

So, on my list, I have Sinkspur, jazzhead and now you, Once-Ler....who have publicly declared that they/you can not vote for the eventual Nominee....and/or will fight against Trump in the General.

Et tu, my friend?   

If you're losing so many you thought you could count on (I know what et tu means) then perhaps that should be telling you something. 

[sinkspur]

Pretty much speaks for me!

Me too.  I stand with Ben Sasse.  I will not vote for Trump. Ever. And neither will my wife or boys.

[Jazzhead]

Brave heroes DIED so that you wouldn't throw your vote away in a tantrum fit!

Brave heroes died - many in my father's generation - to defeat the scourge of fascism.   I will honor that service and cause for which they fought and died but not permitting fascism to find purchase on American soil.  In the year 2016, that means voting to defeat Trump.     

[Bill Cipher]

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Brave heroes DIED so that you wouldn't throw your vote away in a tantrum fit!

Brave heroes died - many in my father's generation - to defeat the scourge of fascism.   I will honor that service and cause for which they fought and died but not permitting fascism to find purchase on American soil.  In the year 2016, that means voting to defeat Trump.

The language you quoted is reprehensible (i.e. I agree with you).  They fought and died so we could be free, including the freedom to choose whom to vote for and whether to vote at all.  If one can be forced to vote, then eventually one can be told whom to vote for as well. Then we're in the world of Soviet "elections" and NK elections. 

[alicewonders]

Pretty much speaks for me!

Yeah, what a whiny hyperbolic creep Sasse has turned out to be.  He should be ashamed of himself and he should remove himself from the Republican party immediately if he is openly advocating that people vote elsewhere, because the candidate of his choice is sucking right now. 

 

[alicewonders]

The language you quoted is reprehensible (i.e. I agree with you).  They fought and died so we could be free, including the freedom to choose whom to vote for and whether to vote at all.  If one can be forced to vote, then eventually one can be told whom to vote for as well. Then we're in the world of Soviet "elections" and NK elections.

No one's "forcing" you to vote! (nice red herring there)  You are perfectly free to do what you want - just as I am perfectly free to criticize those here who are openly promoting a Hillary victory by either voting FOR her - or by a lame "protest" vote/non vote that will only help HER.  That's the math there (and it ain't common core math). 

I will criticize ANY of you that would say it would be better for Hillary to win than Trump!  That is a vile and disgusting thing to promote - as you puff your chest out (I'm not talking about YOU - Bill, as you have already said you would vote for the nominee) in sanctimonious moral superiority to those of us who will vote for the Republican nominee - whoever that turns out to be!

Words cannot convey the disgust that I feel about this phenomenon I am seeing here right now.    Utterly shameful! 

[Jazzhead]

Words cannot convey the disgust that I feel about this phenomenon I am seeing here right now.    Utterly shameful!

I will feel no pride and have no pleasure voting for Hillary Clinton if that is what I must do.  I'm speaking up now in no uncertain terms over what will be at stake this fall because THERE IS STILL TIME to reject fascism NOW, so the GOP can nominate a candidate that we can be PROUD to support.   

But if the party loses its collective mind and nominates Trump,  I will not spit the bit and stay home, or "gladly" support the nominee because the Trumpsters insist that I do.   I won't be a good German.  I won't like a second Clinton administration one bit - and it will advance policies that I will strongly oppose.   But Clinton won't sue the press to shut down dissent, won't threaten to kneecap non-supporters like some kind of new Nixon, won't refuse to disavow the Klan, and won't trumpet quotations from Benito Mussolini.  (And that's just Trump's outrages from this past week alone.)

Trump is a threat to the Constitution, and a threat to the nation.   It is my patriotic duty to stand firm and oppose him - even if that means opposing my own self-interest as a conservative.   

[musiclady]

I have no idea!

I pray daily for God to remove the scales from their eyes before it's to late.

I do too.  The next states are critical in preventing this disaster from occurring.

Please, PLEASE wake up, America!!

[musiclady]

I understand that others feel differently (and strongly) about this, but if the choice comes down to Trump v. Hillary, I am not going to sit home stewing about what might have been.

The reservations I have about Donald Trump could book every room in the Trump Tower.

But he's not the devil and in my estimation, Hillary Clinton is.

If Trump becomes President, he has business life skills and experience, and a demonstrated ability to rally people to a cause. He clearly loves his country. He might grow in office and will repeal much of the worst of Obama's eight-year reign of feculence.

With Hillary, that's strikes one through three, followed by a desperate need to be booted from the field for lying, cheating, theft and worse.

If it comes down to such a choice, I will not be happy. But I won't be suicidal, either. And make no mistake: Hillary will finish off America, for good.

They are BOTH the devil.  One male, and one female.

I wouldn't vote for Hillary if my very life depended on it, but I have no idea how I can vote for Trump and look myself in the mirror for the rest of my life.

For the first time, I would be voting for EVERYTHING that I oppose.

Either way, America loses and I don't see how it recovers.....

[alicewonders]

I will feel no pride and have no pleasure voting for Hillary Clinton if that is what I must do.  I'm speaking up now in no uncertain terms over what will be at stake this fall because THERE IS STILL TIME to reject fascism NOW, so the GOP can nominate a candidate that we can be PROUD to support.   

But if the party loses its collective mind and nominates Trump,  I will not spit the bit and stay home, or "gladly" support the nominee because the Trumpsters insist that I do.   I won't be a good German.  I won't like a second Clinton administration one bit - and it will advance policies that I will strongly oppose.   But Clinton won't sue the press to shut down dissent, won't threaten to kneecap non-supporters like some kind of new Nixon, won't refuse to disavow the Klan, and won't trumpet quotations from Benito Mussolini.  (And that's just Trump's outrages from this past week alone.)

Trump is a threat to the Constitution, and a threat to the nation.   It is my patriotic duty to stand firm and oppose him - even if that means opposing my own self-interest as a conservative.

"But Clinton won't sue the press to shut down dissent,"
Because she already OWNS the press!

"won't threaten to kneecap non-supporters like some kind of new Nixon,"
No, she'll just have them shot in Marcy Park.

"won't refuse to disavow the Klan,"
She won't refuse to disavow the Black Panthers.

"and won't trumpet quotations from Benito Mussolini."
No, she'll just outright LIE to our face, while saying she has never lied to us.

[Free Vulcan]

I will feel no pride and have no pleasure voting for Hillary Clinton if that is what I must do.  I'm speaking up now in no uncertain terms over what will be at stake this fall because THERE IS STILL TIME to reject fascism NOW, so the GOP can nominate a candidate that we can be PROUD to support.   

But if the party loses its collective mind and nominates Trump,  I will not spit the bit and stay home, or "gladly" support the nominee because the Trumpsters insist that I do.   I won't be a good German.  I won't like a second Clinton administration one bit - and it will advance policies that I will strongly oppose.   But Clinton won't sue the press to shut down dissent, won't threaten to kneecap non-supporters like some kind of new Nixon, won't refuse to disavow the Klan, and won't trumpet quotations from Benito Mussolini.  (And that's just Trump's outrages from this past week alone.)

Trump is a threat to the Constitution, and a threat to the nation.   It is my patriotic duty to stand firm and oppose him - even if that means opposing my own self-interest as a conservative.

I think we need to retract some hyperbole apply some Sun Tzu here. Trump blusters, but I don't see him doing half the stuff he says he will. He uses it as PR to get attention, which may come back to bite him, but he's not stupid enough to think he can do all that. He knows how govt works.

Hillary OTOH, tends to not do that stuff unless she has to, but will govern like the dangerous psychotic she is, smiling while she stabs you in the eye. She will make every attempt to consolidate absolute power and force the country into dictatorship. That is who she is, when she is behind closed doors. We've had 20+ years to know what she is capable of.

Though I think Trump won't solve the problem, I don't feel threatened by him. I see him more as a Jesse Ventura than anything else. Alot of talk, but unlikely to pull off his agenda.

By Hillary I do. As s a former mid-level GOP offical, if she gets elected especially for 8 years, then frankly me and my family are in grave danger. Any sort of major crisis  that will allow her to grab power, I will expect the 3 a.m. knock at the door, and so can alot of others including those here. The woman is vindictive and will cleanse the country of all opposition, methodically and efficiently.

And she will never give up power once she has it. Try and look past the bluster and see the real threat. It is not Trump.