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2016 Cruz, Rubio prep for brutal debate night
« on: February 25, 2016, 02:46:14 pm »
In final show before Super Tuesday, the senators are poised to unleash a nasty assault and emerge the anti-Trump.

HOUSTON — For Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz, this might be their last, best chance.

The final Republican presidential debate Thursday night before the Super Tuesday contests has the potential to be an epic display of anger and rhetorical aggression, with Rubio and Cruz going after each other on everything from policy to character as each struggles to emerge as the single alternative to Donald Trump.

At this critical juncture in the race, with Trump on a three-state win streak and Republican operatives questioning whether time is running out to stop the New York billionaire, tonight’s fireworks-filled forum will provide a window into the contenders’ end-game strategies.

Here’s what POLITICO is watching in Thursday’s GOP debate.

Rubio’s playbook

Rubio has yet to aggressively engage Trump — and those briefed on his strategy say he’s unlikely to do so on Thursday night.

The Florida senator has concluded that going after Trump would accomplish little because the businessman’s supporters are deeply committed and unlikely to swing Rubio’s way. Inciting a confrontation with Trump onstage would create drama but wouldn’t help the senator gain voters, something he badly needs as he looks for his first primary win.

Instead, Rubio’s team has decided his best bet is to focus fire on Cruz. They think the Texas senator’s voters are less locked in and could swing Rubio’s way should Cruz fade. The only way to dislodge Trump, Rubio’s advisers say, is to turn it into a two-man race — meaning that they first need to get Cruz out of the way.

Of course, if Trump chooses to engage Rubio — something he hasn’t yet done in a debate — Rubio will have to respond. And while Rubio may not directly take on Trump, he may do so implicitly.

Rubio will also be playing to the more mainstream, establishment Republican donors and supporters, arguing as he has shown in recent days that he is the only candidate who can unite the party and win the general election.

It’s a line that appeals to the profoundly worried Republican Party hierarchy that Rubio is aggressively courting. Last week, Karl Rove delivered a presentation during a gathering of the Republican Governors Association at the posh Fairmont Hotel in Washington and warned that Trump would hurt the GOP’s prospects in the race for the White House and in down-ballot contests for House, Senate and governor. The speech, according to two sources present, was attended by a number of Republican governors, including Rick Scott of Florida, Pat McCrory of North Carolina and Phil Bryant of Mississippi.

The Cruz comeback plan

For Cruz, the stakes couldn’t be higher.

After winning the Iowa caucuses, the senator has suffered three consecutive third-place finishes. And after spending a year courting the religious vote, Cruz has seen his pristine image blemished by charges — directed at him by Trump and Rubio — that his campaign plays too rough.

On Thursday evening, Priority No. One will be to push back.

“He’s got to beat back the narrative that he and his campaign are masters of the dirty trick,” said Brett O’Donnell, a longtime Republican debate coach who advised Lindsey Graham.

The debate precedes a slate of Southern Super Tuesday primaries that has been Cruz’s focus — and from which, without a good showing, it may be hard for him to recover. That means that during the debate he’ll reinforce his pitch that he is a conservative-minded Southerner whom voters in states like Tennessee, Oklahoma and Arkansas can relate to. He’ll also be tailoring his message for his home state of Texas, which also votes on March 1 — and where anything short of a victory would be devastating.

“The fact that Texas is a must-win for Cruz makes me suspect a lot of his strategy will be aimed at fortifying his position there by really demonstrating knowledge and key issues for Texas voters,” said Phil Musser, a former Republican Governors Association executive director. “Home state appeal — and a win — is a must.”

In the lead-up to Super Tuesday, Cruz is seeking other ways to reinforce his Southern credentials. In recent weeks, he has been aggressively appealing to Rand Paul for an endorsement. Yet three sources close to the Kentucky senator said Paul had rebuffed Cruz, saying that he had no intention of endorsing anyone anytime soon. A Cruz spokesperson declined to comment.

A calmer, nicer Trump?

On the debate stage, Trump has been everything you’d expect him to be — loud, swaggering and always on the attack.

Yet in Houston, some wonder whether he might take a more low-key approach.

While Trump’s style has enabled him to win the backing of a wide swath of primary voters, he has yet to secure a majority of the vote in any nominating contest — a circumstance that has led some to wonder whether the real estate developer’s support among voters has a ceiling. Should the field be winnowed into a two-person race, he might be vulnerable to a rival who is capable of uniting the rest of the primary electorate behind him.

To expand his support, Trump may need to adjust his style — and appear more traditionally presidential.

“He’s got a tightrope to walk,” O’Donnell said. “He’s got to show that he can fortify his voters and bring others behind him.”

Then again, Trump has proved himself to be an unpredictable figure, one who throws caution and restraint to the wind. In recent days, the mogul has intensified his criticism of Cruz, calling him a “liar” and “sick.”

“I suspect he just continues rolling along per usual. Why change what’s working?” Musser said. “I don’t expect too much deviation from the norm.”

If Trump does choose to keep up his attacks, he’ll likely have an ally in the cause: Rubio.

In the final days leading up to the South Carolina primary, Trump and Rubio were something of a duo. The two echoed their attacks on Cruz, branding him a dishonest pol who didn’t play by the rules. It worked.

The Kasich question mark

The greatest uncertainty surrounds John Kasich, who has stubbornly remained in the race despite mounting pressure from Republican establishment figures who want him to exit.

The Ohio governor, who has tapped longtime adviser Bob Klaffky to lead his debate prep, has mostly been a low-profile figure onstage. He rarely interjects during skirmishes, and even when attacked he doesn’t typically respond in kind.

But with questions about his viability growing, Kasich needs to stand out — and some wonder whether he’ll go after his mainstream GOP rival, Rubio.

Over the past several days, the Kasich campaign — which has made a point of not targeting its rivals — has turned up the heat on the senator. On Tuesday and Wednesday, it released a pair of memos, both of which branded Rubio as a Beltway insider. And Kasich’s chief strategist, John Weaver, has launched into a Twitter tear against Rubio labeling the senator “slick and pretty.”

To some, the offensive highlights the urgency confronting Kasich.

“He’s got to own the establishment lane better than Rubio does,” O’Donnell said.

Kasich won't be the only low-key candidate on stage. Ben Carson has pledged to continue fighting, despite being blown out in the first four contests. Like Kasich, the retired neurosurgeon is under pressure to make something happen in Houston. A disappointing performance on Super Tuesday, some believe, will spell the end of the road.

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Re: 2016 Cruz, Rubio prep for brutal debate night
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2016, 02:46:26 pm »


TONIGHT: CRUZ, RUBIO FIGHT OVER SCRAPS!

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Re: 2016 Cruz, Rubio prep for brutal debate night
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2016, 03:10:55 pm »
It should prove to be a very interesting debate. Who will Trump try to take out more; Cruz or Rubio? A win-win for both Rubio and Cruz would be to stop attacking each other and go after Trump!       
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Re: 2016 Cruz, Rubio prep for brutal debate night
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2016, 03:13:56 pm »


TONIGHT: CRUZ, RUBIO FIGHT OVER SCRAPS!


Nope! Tonight Ted Cruz is going to unleash unshirted HELL on Donald Trump and I will be cheering my A$$ off while he does it!
 
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Re: 2016 Cruz, Rubio prep for brutal debate night
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2016, 03:21:11 pm »
Nope! Tonight Ted Cruz is going to unleash unshirted HELL on Donald Trump and I will be cheering my A$$ off while he does it!

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Are you thinking they can recover over a competing 30% lead in one debate?

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Re: 2016 Cruz, Rubio prep for brutal debate night
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2016, 03:22:33 pm »
It should prove to be a very interesting debate. Who will Trump try to take out more; Cruz or Rubio? A win-win for both Rubio and Cruz would be to stop attacking each other and go after Trump!     

Nah... Trump just needs to answer email while Crubio destroys each other.

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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2016, 03:24:09 pm »
Nope! Tonight Ted Cruz is going to unleash unshirted HELL on Donald Trump and I will be cheering my A$$ off while he does it!

What kind of hell, Bigun?  The kind that will put him at odds with the voters?  That kind of hell?   :pondering:

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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2016, 03:24:40 pm »
Quote from: Bigun link=t :silly: :silly:opic=196333.msg793226#msg793226 date=1456413236
Nope! Tonight Ted Cruz is going to unleash unshirted HELL on Donald Trump and I will be cheering my A$$ off while he does it!

Hope CRUZ does go after TRUMP. He is a liar and that will be pointed out. CRUZ is good at a structured debate in college but this is not text book college and cannot think on his feet and has no street smarts...  You will see that tonight. The TRAITOR can only memorize talking points and also lies and the GANG of 8 will kill him. ENJOY! You will not be a happy camper tomorrow with the UNIPARTY candidates FAIL again in spite of FAUX NEWS will say.  :silly:

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Re: 2016 Cruz, Rubio prep for brutal debate night
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2016, 03:25:55 pm »
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Are you thinking they can recover over a competing 30% lead in one debate?

30% lead where? Other than in the fevered mind of some phony pollster?

"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2016, 03:27:39 pm »
What kind of hell, Bigun?  The kind that will put him at odds with the voters?  That kind of hell?   :pondering:

The kind that point out the fact that the Trumster is nothing but a Judas goat and his followers the sheep!
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Re: 2016 Cruz, Rubio prep for brutal debate night
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2016, 03:28:43 pm »
Hope CRUZ does go after TRUMP. He is a liar and that will be pointed out. CRUZ is good at a structured debate in college but this is not text book college and cannot think on his feet and has no street smarts...  You will see that tonight. The TRAITOR can only memorize talking points and also lies and the GANG of 8 will kill him. ENJOY! You will not be a happy camper tomorrow with the UNIPARTY candidates FAIL again in spite of FAUX NEWS will say.  :silly:

Dream on my man! Dream on!
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Re: 2016 Cruz, Rubio prep for brutal debate night
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2016, 03:38:01 pm »
The kind that point out the fact that the Trumster is nothing but a Judas goat and his followers the sheep!

If Cruz should get the nomination and go on to (certainly) lose the general election, and you want to know why -- remember to call me.  I'll remind you that the vapid insults and pure hatred you sprewed with such lust at those supporting Donald Trump returned your candidate to the Senate.

I'll wait until then to tell you well done. 

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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2016, 03:40:01 pm »
If Cruz should get the nomination and go on to (certainly) lose the general election, and you want to know why -- remember to call me.  I'll remind you that the vapid insults and pure hatred you sprewed with such lust at those supporting Donald Trump returned your candidate to the Senate.

I'll wait until then to tell you well done.

We'll see!
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Re: 2016 Cruz, Rubio prep for brutal debate night
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2016, 03:45:29 pm »
It should prove to be a very interesting debate. Who will Trump try to take out more; Cruz or Rubio? A win-win for both Rubio and Cruz would be to stop attacking each other and go after Trump!     

...and they will lose that exchange, as they have every encounter attacking Trump. That is public record. Trump has won nearly every debate. You say no? Then why does Trump continue to lead the polls and the primaries?

I know your come back even before you launch it...Trump supporters are all gullible, mind numbed robots.

But, this time, for once, try a more intellectually honest response.

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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2016, 03:52:19 pm »
We'll see!

Yes, unfortunately you will.

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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2016, 03:53:17 pm »
Must be nice to be John Kasich.   Provide a positive, conservative message while watching his rivals stick shivs in each other.   Maybe they'll all bleed to death,  so the voters will finally notice the candidate who's different - and electable.   
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Re: 2016 Cruz, Rubio prep for brutal debate night
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2016, 05:40:21 pm »
Hope CRUZ does go after TRUMP. He is a liar and that will be pointed out. CRUZ is good at a structured debate in college but this is not text book college and cannot think on his feet and has no street smarts...  You will see that tonight. The TRAITOR can only memorize talking points and also lies and the GANG of 8 will kill him. ENJOY! You will not be a happy camper tomorrow with the UNIPARTY candidates FAIL again in spite of FAUX NEWS will say.  :silly:

Cruz's 'lies' are just manufacture lies from the Trump campaign about little nothings that never happened or were just Trump drama queening them into relevance.

Let's hope Cruz points out Trump's lies about supporting the American worker and immigration by pointing out Tricky Don's love of H1-B visas while turning down qualified Americans to work for him.
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Re: 2016 Cruz, Rubio prep for brutal debate night
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2016, 06:04:28 pm »
Here is the deal. A few politicians and a lot of citizens decided this year, they didn't want business as usual.

The politicians and professional insiders, decided Cruz would be their guy.

But the voters have responded with, "no we meant a real outsider. And we meant somebody that can win, not just go through the motions, and after losing goes back to his Senate seat for more of the same."

--Cruz=lose with the perfect candidate

--Trump=win with the imperfect candidate

Voters are smarter than the professional political class, and you get to watch it for free live, this year.

Those of YOU that have predicted Trump's downfall over and over, and have thus far been wrong.

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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2016, 06:11:40 pm »
Here is the deal. A few politicians and a lot of citizens decided this year, they didn't want business as usual.

The politicians and professional insiders, decided Cruz would be their guy.

But the voters have responded with, "no we meant a real outsider. And we meant somebody that can win, not just go through the motions, and after losing goes back to his Senate seat for more of the same."

--Cruz=lose with the perfect candidate

--Trump=win with the imperfect candidate

Voters are smarter than the professional political class, and you get to watch it for free live, this year.

Those of YOU that have predicted Trump's downfall over and over, and have thus far been wrong.

Guess you forgot to poll Mitch McConnell and the rest of the Senate class about Cruz. They don't support him and never will. Who in the DC political clase DOES support him, except a few conservatives?

And how again is it possible that Cruz polls better against Hillary than Trump?
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Re: 2016 Cruz, Rubio prep for brutal debate night
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2016, 06:13:46 pm »
What will be interesting to watch is CRUZ. If he doesn't come after TRUMP Heavy a deal is being talked about. The real enemy is RUBIO and the RINOGOPe and if CRUZ goes after him something in the works ???. Unlike the HATERS this is JMO. :beer:
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Re: 2016 Cruz, Rubio prep for brutal debate night
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2016, 06:14:03 pm »
And how again is it possible that Cruz polls better against Hillary than Trump?

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« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2016, 06:14:59 pm »
What will be interesting to watch is CRUZ. If he doesn't come after TRUMP Heavy a deal is being talked about. The real enemy is RUBIO and the RINOGOPe and if CRUZ goes after him something in the works ???. Unlike the HATERS this is JMO. :beer:

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Polling Data
Poll   Date   Sample   MoE   Cruz (R) Clinton (D)   Spread
RCP Average   2/2 - 2/17   --   --   45.3   44.5   Cruz +0.8
FOX News   2/15 - 2/17   1031 RV   3.0   46   45   Cruz +1
Quinnipiac   2/10 - 2/15   1342 RV   2.7   46   43   Cruz +3
USA Today/Suffolk   2/11 - 2/15   1000 LV   3.0   45   44   Cruz +1
PPP (D)   2/2 - 2/3   1236 RV   2.8   44   46   Clinton +2

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_cruz_vs_clinton-4034.html

Poll   Date   Sample   MoE   Clinton (D) Trump (R) Spread
RCP Average   2/2 - 2/17   --   --   45.3   42.5   Clinton +2.8
FOX News   2/15 - 2/17   1031 RV   3.0   47   42   Clinton +5
USA Today/Suffolk   2/11 - 2/15   1000 LV   3.0   43   45   Trump +2
Quinnipiac   2/10 - 2/15   1342 RV   2.7   44   43   Clinton +1
PPP (D)   2/2 - 2/3   1236  RV   2.8   47   40   Clinton +7

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
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