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Chicago court will reportedly hear case on Cruz presidential eligibility
By Victor Morton - The Washington Times - Thursday, February 18, 2016

Birtherism is now officially a legal issue, as the eligibility of Sen. Ted Cruz to run for president will have a hearing Friday in Chicago, according to multiple news outlets.

According to CNN and ABC, a Cook County Circuit Court judge will hear a lawsuit brought by an Illinois voter who says Mr. Cruz is not a natural-born citizen, as the Constitution requires, because he was born in Canada.

Mr. Cruz has never denied being born in Canada, but maintains that the issue is ridiculous because under longstanding U.S. statutory law, he was automatically a U.S. citizen at birth because his mother was a U.S. citizen.

But Lawrence Joyce maintains otherwise and had filed an earlier case with the Illinois Board of Elections, only to have it rejected earlier this month.

Mr. Joyce told WBBM radio that he supports retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson and has not been in consultation with the campaign of real estate mogul Donald Trump, who has repeatedly said Mr. Cruz might not be eligible to take office.

Still, Mr. Joyce told the station, "my case presents the perfect opportunity for Donald Trump himself to step forward and bring the matter to court personally."

Like Mr. Trump though, Mr. Joyce said his concern is that the eligibility issue lie unresolved during Republican primaries, thus letting the Democrats take advantage of it after a potential Cruz nomination, when it'd be too late.

"At that point, all of his fundraising would dry up. And his support in the polls would drop dramatically. He may be forced at that point to resign the nomination," Mr. Joyce said.

At a CNN town-hall meeting Wednesday night, the issue was brought up by a voter to Mr. Cruz, who calmly said the legal issue has been "clear from the very first days of the republic."

"The child of a U.S. citizen born abroad is a U.S. citizen," Mr. Cruz said, noting that the law on the matter dates from the Founding generation.

"Indeed the very first Congress ... wrote the very first laws on citizenship. And they explicitly defined the child of a U.S. citizen born abroad as a natural-born citizen."

The Texan added that he had never been naturalized and that previous presidential hopefuls such as John McCain (born in Panama, to military service members) and George Romney (born in Mexico to Mormon missionaries) were uncontroversially eligible.
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Re: Chicago court will reportedly hear case on Cruz presidential eligibility
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2016, 04:01:56 pm »
This should end the discussion one way or the other? :patriot: Hope CRUZ WINS!

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Re: Chicago court will reportedly hear case on Cruz presidential eligibility
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2016, 01:58:52 am »
Longiron wrote:
"This should end the discussion one way or the other?"

No.
It's only the first step on a long legal journey ...

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Re: Chicago court will reportedly hear case on Cruz presidential eligibility
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2016, 02:02:00 am »
A state judge cannot decide a case like this and I suspect will state such.
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Ted Cruz campaign wants Illinois citizenship suit dismissed
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2016, 02:31:09 am »
4:58 p.m. EST February 19, 2016

CHICAGO — An attorney for the Ted Cruz campaign asked a Cook County judge Friday to dismiss an Illinois man's lawsuit challenging the Texas senator's eligibility to run for president, citing that the Republican hopeful wasn't properly served with the complaint.

Lawrence Joyce, an Illinois voter and Ben Carson supporter, brought his complaint earlier this month to the Illinois State Board of Elections, which dismissed it.

Now, he is appealing the case with the Cook County Circuit Court in Chicago, asking it to rule Cruz ineligible to run in next month's GOP primary in Illinois. Joyce challenges whether the senator from Texas meets the criteria to serve as president because he was born in Canada.

Sharee Langenstein, an attorney for Cruz, said in court Friday it is "very, very clear" the Cook County court doesn't have jurisdiction to hear the case because state law stipulates the candidate be served with the complaint. Joyce, a pharmacist and attorney from Poplar Grove, Ill., failed to serve Cruz, whose home address is listed in his petition to be placed on the state's ballot, Langenstein said.

The issue of whether Cruz is a "natural-born" citizen has been raised by others, including rival GOP presidential contender Donald Trump, who has threatened to file a lawsuit on the issue. Cruz maintains he meets the criteria because his mother is American-born.

Judge Maureen Ward Kirby set a March 1 court date to hear arguments on the motion to dismiss. Joyce, who works the midnight shift at a hospital pharmacy, told the judge he wasn't available for arguments before then because of work commitments. The Illinois primary is March 15 and early voting has already begun.

Despite the close timing, Joyce said it is worth letting his complaint play out.

"The nomination doesn't take place until July," Joyce said. "So if a determination is made after the primary that Ted Cruz is not eligible to be president then certainly it would be incumbent upon the Republican National Committee not allow the name of Ted Cruz to be entered at the convention in July."

Voters in Alabama, Texas and New York also have filed legal challenges on whether Cruz meets the citizenship qualifications. The Indiana Board of Election on Friday rejected challenges on whether Cruz and fellow GOP presidential hopeful Sen. Marco Rubio meet the "natural-born" requirement. Rubio, whose parents immigrated from Cuba, was born in Florida.

Cruz has dismissed the efforts as "political mischief."

He defended his citizenship and right to run at a CNN candidates' forum Wednesday, saying he was born in Canada to a U.S. citizen, making him an automatic U.S citizen. His mother was born in Wilmington, Del., Cruz said.

“I never breathed a breath of air on this planet when I was not a U.S. citizen,” he said. “It was the act of being born that made me a U.S. citizen.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/02/19/illinois-voter-court-challenge-ted-cruz-natural-born-citizen/80602506/

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Re: Chicago court will reportedly hear case on Cruz presidential eligibility
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2016, 03:07:53 am »
The Cruz claim about George Romney is false. He dropped out before the issue was resolved.

A legal study and opinion was pfepared and read into the Congressional Record, which conuded he was NOT eligible.
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Re: Chicago court will reportedly hear case on Cruz presidential eligibility
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2016, 03:28:55 am »
This should end the discussion one way or the other? :patriot: Hope CRUZ WINS!

Nah.. this won't end until the Supreme Court rules on whether or not a foreign born naturalized citizen can run for POTUS---simply because Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh say he can.

Watching this work its way through the courts should be interesting.   :pondering:
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Re: Chicago court will reportedly hear case on Cruz presidential eligibility
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2016, 03:30:06 am »
The Cruz claim about George Romney is false. He dropped out before the issue was resolved.

A legal study and opinion was prepared and read into the Congressional Record, which concluded he was NOT eligible

Worth repeating.   Often.

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Re: Chicago court will reportedly hear case on Cruz presidential eligibility
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2016, 05:15:09 pm »
Worth repeating.   Often.
Coming from a random source somewhere, it would be a mere mistake.

Coming from somebody born in Canada, claiming to be a brilliant Constitutional lawyer, running for President, I can only label it as a blatant lie, which seems to be his MO.

He assumes we are all mindless rubes not capable of learning true facts.

I am not claiming it was ever settled. It was NOT settled, and the controversy continues until today. Ted Cruz is NOT the final authority.

His intellectual arrogance is astounding. Most people know the admonition for a lawyer, to not represent himself. It warns he would have a fool for a client, and a fool for a lawyer.

I simply do not want such a lying, arrogant fool for a President, no matter if he preaches a good prosperity sermon, or not.

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