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I am LIVID at the GOP
« on: January 31, 2016, 02:25:51 pm »

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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2016, 03:27:26 pm »
NewsFlash:  There is no reason to be upset with a cadaver.  The Republican Party is dead.

Fini.

Over.

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Re: I am LIVID at the GOP
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2016, 03:34:16 pm »
She's pissed off ... and articulate.  NICE combination.   :smokin:

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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2016, 03:47:33 pm »
Americans Really, Really Hate The Government

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Our two major political parties are really just two sides of the same coin, and they are both leading this nation right down the toilet.

If there is one thing that Americans can agree on these days, it is the fact that most of us don’t like the government. CBS News has just released an article entitled “Americans hate the U.S. government more than ever“, and an average of recent surveys calculated by Real Clear Politics found that 63 percent of all Americans believe the country is heading in the wrong direction and only 28 percent of all Americans believe that the country is heading in the right direction. In just a few days the first real ballots of the 2016 election will be cast in Iowa, and up to this point the big story of this cycle has been the rise of “outsider” candidates that many of the pundits had assumed would never have a legitimate chance. Donald Trump, Ted Cruz and Bernie Sanders have all been beneficiaries of the overwhelming disgust that the American people feel regarding what has been going on in Washington.

 In America today, we are more divided as a nation than ever. If you ask 100 different people how we should fix this country, you are going to get 100 very different answers. We no longer have a single shared set of values or principles that unites us, and therefore it is going to be nearly impossible for us to come together on specific solutions.

You would think that the principles enshrined in the U.S. Constitution should be able to unite us, but sadly those days are long gone. In fact, the word “constitutionalist” has become almost synonymous with “terrorist” in our nation. If you go around calling yourself a “constitutionalist” in America today, there is a good chance that you will be dismissed as a radical right-wing wacko that probably needs to be locked up.

The increasing division in our nation can be seen very clearly during this election season. On the left, an admitted socialist is generating the most enthusiasm of any of the candidates. Among many Democrats today, Hillary Clinton is simply “not liberal enough” and no longer represents their values.

On the other end of the spectrum, a lot of Republican voters are gravitating toward either Donald Trump or Ted Cruz. Both of those candidates represent a complete break from how establishment Republicans have been doing things in recent years.

 Now don’t get me wrong – I am certainly not suggesting that we need to meet in the middle. My point is that there is absolutely no national consensus about what we should do. On the far left, they want to take us into full-blown socialism. Those that support Donald Trump or Ted Cruz want to take us in a more conservative direction. But even among Republicans there are vast disagreements about how to fix this country. Establishment Republicans greatly dislike both Trump and Cruz, and they are quite determined to do whatever it takes to keep either of them from getting the nomination. The elite have grown very accustomed to anointing the nominee from each party every four years, and so the popularity of Trump and Cruz is making them quite uneasy this time around. The following comes from the New York Times…

The members of the party establishment are growing impatient as they watch Mr. Trump and Mr. Cruz dominate the field heading into the Iowa caucuses next Monday and the New Hampshire primary about a week later.

The party elders had hoped that one of their preferred candidates, such as Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, would be rising above the others by now and becoming a contender to rally around.

The global elite gathered in Davos, Switzerland are also greatly displeased with Trump. Just check out some of the words that they are using to describe him…

“Unbelievable“, “embarrassing” even “dangerous” are some of the words the financial elite gathered at the World Economic Forum conference in the Swiss resort of Davos have been using to describe U.S. Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump.

Although some said they still expected his campaign to founder before his party picks its nominee for the November election many said it was no longer unthinkable that he could be the Republican candidate.

The truth is that the Republican Party represents somewhere less than half the population in the United States, and today it is at war with itself. Supporters of Trump have a significantly different vision of the future than supporters of Cruz, and the establishment wing wants nothing to do with either candidate.

A lot of people seem to assume that since Trump is leading in the polls that he will almost certainly get the nomination.

That is not exactly a safe bet.

It is my contention that the establishment will pull out every trick in the book to keep either him or Cruz from getting the nomination. And in order to lock up the nomination before the Republican convention, a candidate will need to have secured slightly more than 60 percent of all of the delegates during the caucuses and the primaries.

 It is going to be much more difficult for Donald Trump to win the Republican nomination than most people think. In order to win the nomination, a candidate must secure at least 1,237 of the 2,472 delegates that are up for grabs. But not all of them will be won during the state-by-state series of caucuses and primaries that will take place during the first half of 2016. Of the total of 2,472 Republican delegates, 437 of them are unpledged delegates – and 168 of those are members of the Republican National Committee. And unless you have been hiding under a rock somewhere, you already know that the Republican National Committee is not a fan of Donald Trump. In order to win the Republican nomination without any of the unpledged delegates, Trump would need to win 60.78 percent of the delegates that are up for grabs during the caucuses and primaries. And considering that his poll support is hovering around 30 percent right now, that is a very tall order.

In the past, it was easier for a front-runner to pile up delegates in “winner take all” states, but for this election cycle the Republicans have changed quite a few things. In 2016, all states that hold caucuses or primaries before March 15th must award their delegates proportionally. So when Trump wins any of those early states, he won’t receive all of the delegates. Instead, he will just get a portion of them based on the percentage of the vote that he received.

In 2016, more delegates will be allocated on a proportional basis by the Republicans than ever before, and with such a crowded field that makes it quite likely that no candidate will have secured enough delegates for the nomination by the time the Republican convention rolls around.

If no candidate has more than 60 percent of the delegates by the end of the process, then it is quite likely that we will see the first true “brokered convention” in decades.

If we do see a “brokered convention”, that would almost surely result in an establishment candidate coming away with the nomination. That list of names would include Bush, Rubio, Christie and Kasich.

And if by some incredible miracle either Trump or Cruz does get the nomination, the elite will move heaven and earth to make sure that Hillary Clinton ends up in the White House.

For decades, it has seemed like nothing ever really changes no matter which political party is in power, and that is exactly how the elite like it.

Our two major political parties are really just two sides of the same coin, and they are both leading this nation right down the toilet.

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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2016, 04:10:06 pm »
She's pissed off ... and articulate.  NICE combination.   :smokin:

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The voter's may finally see, not just the hypocrisy of the Republican Party, but the total corruption of the entire election process.

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Re: I am LIVID at the GOP
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2016, 04:27:24 pm »
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The voter's may finally see, not just the hypocrisy of the Republican Party, but the total corruption of the entire election process.

I sure hope that is what we are seeing....
Overcoming those that want to maintain the status quo is the real challenge....

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Re: I am LIVID at the GOP
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2016, 04:43:06 pm »
I would say she is very typical of who I think Trump's supporters are. They are not particularly ideological.  They are pissed off.  Their attitudes are shaped almost entirely by mass media.  They see the country going downhill, and they have lost their hope to be upwardly mobile.  And so they are placing their last hopes for better lives for themselves and their families in Donald Trump.

I am certainly not going to criticize this woman.  I think the video speaks for itself.
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Re: I am LIVID at the GOP
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2016, 04:52:02 pm »
I would say she is very typical of who think Trump supporters are. They are not particularly ideological.  They are pissed off.  Their attitudes are shaped almost entirely by mass media.  They see the country going downhill, and they have lost their hope to be upwardly mobile.  And so they are placing their last hopes for better lives for themselves and their families in Donald Trump.

I am certainly not going to criticize this woman.  I think the video speaks for itself.

Well, if I have to vote for Bush/Rubio/Paul to be thought of as "informed" and "an "ideologue" then I will gladly wear the title of pissed off....
Hopefully either Trump or Cruz will win this thing....

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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2016, 04:56:17 pm »
Well, if I have to vote for Bush/Rubio/Paul to be thought of as "informed" and "an "ideologue" then I will gladly wear the title of pissed off....
Hopefully either Trump or Cruz will win this thing....

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It is my contention that the establishment will pull out every trick in the book to keep either him or Cruz from getting the nomination. And in order to lock up the nomination before the Republican convention, a candidate will need to have secured slightly more than 60 percent of all of the delegates during the caucuses and the primaries.

 It is going to be much more difficult for Donald Trump to win the Republican nomination than most people think. In order to win the nomination, a candidate must secure at least 1,237 of the 2,472 delegates that are up for grabs. But not all of them will be won during the state-by-state series of caucuses and primaries that will take place during the first half of 2016. Of the total of 2,472 Republican delegates, 437 of them are unpledged delegates – and 168 of those are members of the Republican National Committee. And unless you have been hiding under a rock somewhere, you already know that the Republican National Committee is not a fan of Donald Trump. In order to win the Republican nomination without any of the unpledged delegates, Trump would need to win 60.78 percent of the delegates that are up for grabs during the caucuses and primaries. And considering that his poll support is hovering around 30 percent right now, that is a very tall order.

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Re: I am LIVID at the GOP
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2016, 05:00:37 pm »
...kind of reminds me of my wife.

It's good to have your wife pissed off at politics, because otherwise the options start narrowing and focusing to a place you'd rather not see them go.  Just saying...
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2016, 05:03:09 pm »
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From #3:

It is my contention that the establishment will pull out every trick in the book to keep either him or Cruz from getting the nomination. And in order to lock up the nomination before the Republican convention, a candidate will need to have secured slightly more than 60 percent of all of the delegates during the caucuses and the primaries.

 It is going to be much more difficult for Donald Trump to win the Republican nomination than most people think. In order to win the nomination, a candidate must secure at least 1,237 of the 2,472 delegates that are up for grabs. But not all of them will be won during the state-by-state series of caucuses and primaries that will take place during the first half of 2016. Of the total of 2,472 Republican delegates, 437 of them are unpledged delegates – and 168 of those are members of the Republican National Committee. And unless you have been hiding under a rock somewhere, you already know that the Republican National Committee is not a fan of Donald Trump. In order to win the Republican nomination without any of the unpledged delegates, Trump would need to win 60.78 percent of the delegates that are up for grabs during the caucuses and  primaries. And considering that his poll support is hovering around 30 percent right now, that is a very tall order.

So you are saying here comes BUSHIE who is polling 1% in the polls? Maybe BUT a 3rd party will be formed even when the RINOGOPe LOSE and the R party goes the way of the WHIGS which is good news. BAD NEWS is the country cannot last a BUSHIE, Sanders, BIDEN ,RUBIO or. BITEME for 4 more years. JMO :0001:

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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2016, 05:35:06 pm »
Better to be pissed off than to be pissed on by the GOPE
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Re: I am LIVID at the GOP
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2016, 06:01:03 pm »
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From #3:

It is my contention that the establishment will pull out every trick in the book to keep either him or Cruz from getting the nomination. And in order to lock up the nomination before the Republican convention, a candidate will need to have secured slightly more than 60 percent of all of the delegates during the caucuses and the primaries.

 It is going to be much more difficult for Donald Trump to win the Republican nomination than most people think. In order to win the nomination, a candidate must secure at least 1,237 of the 2,472 delegates that are up for grabs. But not all of them will be won during the state-by-state series of caucuses and primaries that will take place during the first half of 2016. Of the total of 2,472 Republican delegates, 437 of them are unpledged delegates – and 168 of those are members of the Republican National Committee. And unless you have been hiding under a rock somewhere, you already know that the Republican National Committee is not a fan of Donald Trump. In order to win the Republican nomination without any of the unpledged delegates, Trump would need to win 60.78 percent of the delegates that are up for grabs during the caucuses and primaries. And considering that his poll support is hovering around 30 percent right now, that is a very tall order.

Agree completely with this author.  There are already "baked-in" impediments to stop a Cruz or Trump nomination, and more will be added during the Convention as need be.  IMO, it still remains a long-shot that either Trump or Cruz walk out of Cleveland as the nominee.  Too much at stake, too many forces working against.  Hang on to your hats!

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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2016, 06:22:17 pm »

As a Trump supporter, I'm definitely angry at the GOP. That's why I support Trump. He's the only guy so far who has shown the moxie to stand against party pressure and turn our anger into effective counter measures against the status quo and made Reince Priebus dance to his tune.

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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2016, 06:29:09 pm »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2tLyqfJd54

FYI: I am a huge Key and Peele fan.

STRONG LANGUAGE in the advertisement at the end. I didn't know it was there. Stop the video when the skit ends.
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You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
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Re: I am LIVID at the GOP
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2016, 07:11:08 pm »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2tLyqfJd54

FYI: I am a huge Key and Peele fan.

STRONG LANGUAGE in the advertisement at the end. I didn't know it was there. Stop the video when the skit ends.

Too bad they have such awful bad taste to include the crudeness at the end. That cancels their otherwise positive message.
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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2016, 07:35:40 pm »
Agree completely with this author.  There are already "baked-in" impediments to stop a Cruz or Trump nomination, and more will be added during the Convention as need be.  IMO, it still remains a long-shot that either Trump or Cruz walk out of Cleveland as the nominee.  Too much at stake, too many forces working against.  Hang on to your hats!

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Focus on this.  It the the reason, even in light of almost ZERO public support that Jeb Bush has refused to withdraw. 

The rest of us be damned, there is virtually no way that either Donald Trump or Ted Cruz will be the GOP nominee.  I have known this nightmare reality for many years.  It is also the reason why Conservative Republicans are now owned by progressive ones, and why the Republicans have lost the last two elections.

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Of the total of 2,472 Republican delegates, 437 of them are unpledged delegates – and 168 of those are members of the Republican National Committee.

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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2016, 08:02:35 pm »
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Focus on this.  It the the reason, even in light of almost ZERO public support that Jeb Bush has refused to withdraw. 

The rest of us be damned, there is virtually no way that either Donald Trump or Ted Cruz will be the GOP nominee.  I have known this nightmare reality for many years.  It is also the reason why Conservative Republicans are now owned by progressive ones, and why the Republicans have lost the last two elections.

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Yes, Hap, I have been saying for a while, don't expect to see Jeb drop out anytime soon.

It is not only because there is a LOT of money to be spent ("earned!" lol).  Though that is certainly true.

But it is because many things can still happen in a party convention.  There don't need to be overweight, balding men with cigars in smoky back rooms.  Attorneys deft at rule-making, and large-pocketed donors that are masters at deal-making, don't need cigars.  Committee membership is KEY, no one should ever overlook that simple fact.

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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2016, 08:17:17 pm »
Yes, Hap, I have been saying for a while, don't expect to see Jeb drop out anytime soon.

It is not only because there is a LOT of money to be spent ("earned!" lol).  Though that is certainly true.

But it is because many things can still happen in a party convention.  There don't need to be overweight, balding men with cigars in smoky back rooms.  Attorneys deft at rule-making, and large-pocketed donors that are masters at deal-making, don't need cigars.  Committee membership is KEY, no one should ever overlook that simple fact.

Maybe u are right KATZ the game is fixed? We will find out. What puzzles me is TRUMP is no fool and if the game is fixed he has to know? If fixed why the hell is he working his a** off in this election and has the passion he has? He works harder than any other candidate running in either party and spending his OWN MONEY! HE CANNOT be doing this for more money down the road if the game is FIXED and that is his reward? He is 69 years old with a family that will never have to worry about anything in a financial respect. Cannot see him doing this for the money if he knows the game is fixed. I can see any all other candidates except CARSON doing it for the money but not TRUMP or CARSON!. Time will tell!  :patriot:

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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2016, 08:18:56 pm »
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Focus on this.  It the the reason, even in light of almost ZERO public support that Jeb Bush has refused to withdraw. 

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I believe you are correct in this.

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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2016, 08:27:30 pm »
Maybe u are right KATZ the game is fixed? We will find out. What puzzles me is TRUMP is no fool and if the game is fixed he has to know? If fixed why the hell is he working his a** off in this election and has the passion he has? He works harder than any other candidate running in either party and spending his OWN MONEY! HE CANNOT be doing this for more money down the road if the game is FIXED and that is his reward? He is 69 years old with a family that will never have to worry about anything in a financial respect. Cannot see him doing this for the money if he knows the game is fixed. I can see any all other candidates except CARSON doing it for the money but not TRUMP or CARSON!. Time will tell!  :patriot:
He KNOWS, friend.  He KNOWS.

Why run then?

I think it is because that he believes that if a "DEAL" will be required to gain the nomination, then he is the master deal-maker.

I suspect that he also believes that he has enough money, smart attorneys, and alliances built over the years, that he can leverage, regardless of his status as a political outsider.

Whatever anyone may wish to think or believe about Trump, he is no dummy, and he is not ignorant of the realities of any playing field that he steps out upon.

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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2016, 08:53:54 pm »
He KNOWS, friend.  He KNOWS.

Why run then?

I think it is because that he believes that if a "DEAL" will be required to gain the nomination, then he is the master deal-maker.

I suspect that he also believes that he has enough money, smart attorneys, and alliances built over the years, that he can leverage, regardless of his status as a political outsider.

Whatever anyone may wish to think or believe about Trump, he is no dummy, and he is not ignorant of the realities of any playing field that he steps out upon.
I believe Trump is in this, to win. To do whatever it takes.

Just like his voter support has surprised many, I believe it would also surprise many to find he has inroads with those smoky back room people, too.

If winning requires gaining unpledged delegates, he is working that angle right NOW.

Career politicians operate on a very incompetent basis. And slow timeframes as well.

Successful business is conducted both smarter and faster. Wait and see.

*The last few weeks have given a demonstration with Cruz poor judgment. This weekend his supporters have been seriously let down, but it merely proves Trump's frequent admonition "We are being led by some very stupid people."
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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2016, 09:06:17 pm »
I believe Trump is in this, to win. To do whatever it takes.

Just like his voter support has surprised many, I believe it would also surprise many to find he has inroads with those smoky back room people, too.

If winning requires gaining unpledged delegates, he is working that angle right NOW.

Career politicians operate on a very incompetent basis. And slow timeframes as well.

Successful business is conducted both smarter and faster. Wait and see.

*The last few weeks have given a demonstration with Cruz poor judgment. This weekend his supporters have been seriously let down, but it merely proves Trump's frequent admonition "We are being led by some very stupid people."

I agree with you fully.

Way back when he first entered the race, I started paying VERY close attention to his candidacy.  For two reasons, the first being was that I was interested in what he was saying, and what his "platform" would be.  The second is because I have been studying campaigns and candidates for many decades.  I sensed that there would be something "different" about this candidate and campaign.

Thus far he has been a master at the campaign.  There are so many examples of Trump getting out in front of something (that appears to make no sense at first look), and then watching as within a week or so, it all falls into place.

You are correct that his network of operatives is WAY OUT IN FRONT of all that is coming.  And yes, he has connections built over decades that can all be leveraged if/when needed. 

In some ways it is a mistake to consider him a political outsider, he's been involved in politics for his whole adult life, he has just not been a government office holder.

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*The last few weeks have given a demonstration with Cruz poor judgment. This weekend his supporters have been seriously let down, but it merely proves Trump's frequent admonition "We are being led by some very stupid people."

I agree. My picture of Cruz changed in the last debate. It does not matter that his "jokes" were stupid yand flat.

What bothered me was that he thought that it was the right way to go.

Trump was right to stay out of that debate. It was an incredibly smart thing to do.

Trump, love him or hate him, knows what he is doing. He knows. He knows the lay of the land, and which way the wind blows.
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