Author Topic: How Close Was Donald Trump To The Mob? (Read 1272 times)

ABX · « **on:** January 23, 2016, 04:26:52 pm »

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Donald Trump is running for president. Many believed or hoped that the Donald’s latest foray into national politics was nothing more than a public-relations move, not a serious attempt to reside at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

But now that Trump holds the lead in national polls, as well as polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, it’s time to take his campaign seriously.....

....The Atlantic City story starts with Trump’s purchase of a bar, at twice its market value, from Salvatore Testa, a made man in the Philadelphia mafia and son of Philip “Chicken Man” Testa, who was briefly head of the Philly mob after Angelo Bruno’s 1980 killing. Harrah’s casino, half owned by Trump, would be built on that land, and Trump would quickly buy out his partner, Harrah’s Entertainment, and rename the casino Trump Plaza. Trump Plaza’s connection to the mob didn’t end with the land purchase from Testa. Nicademo “Little Nicky” Scarfo (who became boss after the elder Testa was blown up) and his nephew Phillip “crazy Phil” Leonetti controlled two of the major construction and concrete companies in Atlantic City. Both companies, Scarf, Inc. and Nat Nat, did work on the construction of Harrah’s, according the State of New Jersey Commission of Investigation’s 1986 report on organized crime.....

http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/28/how-close-was-donald-trump-to-the-mob/#.VqOkByBdmZY.facebook

ABX · « **Reply #1 on:** January 23, 2016, 04:28:25 pm »

State of New Jersey Commission of Investigation’s 1986 report on organized crime

http://www.state.nj.us/sci/pdf/annual18%20and%20OCCasino.pdf

libertybele · « **Reply #2 on:** January 23, 2016, 04:33:54 pm »

Not surprising and we should remember that he thinks 'eminent domain' is wonderful.

http://www.redstate.com/2015/08/22/donald-trump-eminent-domain/

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/265450/trumps-eminent-domain-empire-michelle-malkin

HAPPY2BME · « **Reply #3 on:** January 23, 2016, 05:01:25 pm »

Why don't we ask another famous New Yorker Republican who should all know? You have had ZERO problems voting for him, right?

Rudolph Giulian's Mob Ties

ABX · « **Reply #4 on:** January 23, 2016, 05:07:30 pm »

Quote from: HAPPY2BME on January 23, 2016, 05:01:25 pm

Why don't we ask another famous New Yorker Republican who should all know? You have had ZERO problems voting for him, right?

Rudolph Giulian's Mob Ties

If it was Giuliani against staunch Conservatives, I would be pulling for the Conservatives- and Rudy is heads and tails above Trump- at least on most issues, his history is to the Right even though he has some failures on a few. (of course, I wouldn't go around purging Rudy supporters like :cough cough:).

libertybele · « **Reply #5 on:** January 23, 2016, 05:11:24 pm »

Quote from: HAPPY2BME on January 23, 2016, 05:01:25 pm

Why don't we ask another famous New Yorker Republican who should all know? You have had ZERO problems voting for him, right?

Rudolph Giulian's Mob Ties

Oh, Giuliani the guy that ran and voted Democrat for years and turned Republican when it was convenient? You mean the Giuliani who was partner of Bracewell & Giuliani that was involved in planning part of a Texas superhighway toll road known as the Trans-Texas Corridor .. you know, part of the NAU? No actually, I never voted for him. In fact, I stood before my local Republican club and tried to expose him for who he really is.

P.S. Guiliani and cronies went on to sue the current governor of TX in order to keep things quiet.

http://www.tpj.org/2007/09/associate-press-giulianis-ties-to.html

HAPPY2BME · « **Reply #6 on:** January 23, 2016, 05:22:33 pm »

Quote from: AbaraXas on January 23, 2016, 05:07:30 pm

If it was Giuliani against staunch Conservatives, I would be pulling for the Conservatives- and Rudy is heads and tails above Trump- at least on most issues, his history is to the Right even though he has some failures on a few. (of course, I wouldn't go around purging Rudy supporters like :cough cough:).

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This is the part you are missing. 'If it was Giuliani against staunch Conservatives, I would be pulling for the Conservatives' was how many decades ago?

Do you know how much this country politically, socially, and morally have DEGENERATED since there was any such creature as a 'Staunch Conservative?'

A 'Staunch Conservative' is NOT just a fiscal conservative. The other half of that ingredient is MORAL Conservative, and the 'Moral' Conservatives you can count on one hand that are left standing.

So your implying Trump now has a disqualifier for having 'Mob Connections' and expecting 'Staunch Conservatives' to rally around it is like Tonto looking over at the Lone Ranger as they are about to be attacked by throngs of hostile Indians and saying: What are you going to do now, WHITE MAN?

mountaineer · « **Reply #7 on:** January 23, 2016, 05:42:59 pm »

Is it possible to do business in NYC or Atlantic City and not have to "work with" the mob? (Not making excuses for anyone, just asking as a practical matter).

HAPPY2BME · « **Reply #8 on:** January 23, 2016, 05:45:04 pm »

Quote from: mountaineer on January 23, 2016, 05:42:59 pm

Is it possible to do business in NYC or Atlantic City and not have to "work with" the mob? (Not making excuses for anyone, just asking as a practical matter).

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No, its not possible. Include New Jersey in on that too.

Include the entire senate and congress as well ..

musiclady · « **Reply #9 on:** January 23, 2016, 05:57:28 pm »

Quote from: HAPPY2BME on January 23, 2016, 05:01:25 pm

Why don't we ask another famous New Yorker Republican who should all know? You have had ZERO problems voting for him, right?

Rudolph Giulian's Mob Ties

Some of us had a LOT of problems voting for him.

Probably the same ones of us who have problems voting for Trump........

The ones with ethical standards???

alicewonders · « **Reply #10 on:** January 23, 2016, 06:10:17 pm »

Quote from: musiclady on January 23, 2016, 05:57:28 pm

Some of us had a LOT of problems voting for him.

Probably the same ones of us who have problems voting for Trump........

The ones with ethical standards???

I had reservations about Guiliani's staunch conservative principles too once - and I regret them like heck now! Think how much better off this country would have been with him as our president. Boy, do I regret it!

A lot of people are making the same mistake now - seeking perfection instead of being realistic to what the alternative is. I've learned a lot from my past mistake on that. This is a different country now, whether we want to admit it to ourselves or not.

katzenjammer · « **Reply #11 on:** January 23, 2016, 06:41:41 pm »

Quote from: alicewonders on January 23, 2016, 06:10:17 pm

I had reservations about Guiliani's staunch conservative principles too once - and I regret them like heck now! Think how much better off this country would have been with him as our president. Boy, do I regret it!

A lot of people are making the same mistake now - seeking perfection instead of being realistic to what the alternative is. I've learned a lot from my past mistake on that. This is a different country now, whether we want to admit it to ourselves or not.

In some ways it is an example of the dangers of the Perfect Solution Fallacy.

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“The perfect is the enemy of the good.”

— Voltaire

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“Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little.”

— Edmund Burke

Longiron · « **Reply #12 on:** January 23, 2016, 07:37:36 pm »

In the old days when the MOB ran VEGAS it was a hellva lot better place than it is currently from what I hear.

massadvj · « **Reply #13 on:** January 23, 2016, 07:49:38 pm »

Given the scope and location of all the developments Trump has been a part of, plus the fact that he is still living, I would be shocked if he did not have business associations with known mobsters. But then this is a country in which the biggest racketeer in the world (the IRS) holds us all for ransom on a continuing basis. We deal with the world as we find it, and Trump has dealt with it better than most.

musiclady · « **Reply #14 on:** January 23, 2016, 08:06:20 pm »

Quote from: alicewonders on January 23, 2016, 06:10:17 pm

I had reservations about Guiliani's staunch conservative principles too once - and I regret them like heck now! Think how much better off this country would have been with him as our president. Boy, do I regret it!

A lot of people are making the same mistake now - seeking perfection instead of being realistic to what the alternative is. I've learned a lot from my past mistake on that. This is a different country now, whether we want to admit it to ourselves or not.

Sorry, but I can't go there.

I grew up near Youngstown, Ohio (aka "Little Chicago") and in my teen years mobsters were blowing each other up in the streets.

Not going there........

alicewonders · « **Reply #15 on:** January 23, 2016, 08:08:16 pm »

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/636935/MAFIA-beat-ISIS-Jihadis-plot-all-out-war-Europe-infamous-mob

ISIS biggest fear...the MAFIA: Jihadis plot all out war but are SCARED of Italian mob

musiclady · « **Reply #16 on:** January 23, 2016, 08:09:36 pm »

ergo, the Mafia is a good thing??

alicewonders · « **Reply #17 on:** January 23, 2016, 08:13:27 pm »

Quote from: musiclady on January 23, 2016, 08:09:36 pm

ergo, the Mafia is a good thing??

If they kill ISIS fighters, I'm up with that.

PzLdr · « **Reply #18 on:** January 23, 2016, 08:14:53 pm »

A WHOLE lot less than the jackass under the Eternal Zippo lighter at Arlington.

musiclady · « **Reply #19 on:** January 23, 2016, 09:00:14 pm »

Quote from: alicewonders on January 23, 2016, 08:13:27 pm

If they kill ISIS fighters, I'm up with that.

I'm guessing that if you totaled the numbers up, the Mafia has killed more innocents than ISIS.

I'm not sure that defending the mob is a good plan...... they're just a different kind (albeit better dressed) of evil doers.

alicewonders · « **Reply #20 on:** January 23, 2016, 10:00:14 pm »

Quote from: musiclady on January 23, 2016, 09:00:14 pm

I'm guessing that if you totaled the numbers up, the Mafia has killed more innocents than ISIS.

I'm not sure that defending the mob is a good plan...... they're just a different kind (albeit better dressed) of evil doers.

NO ONE is defending the mob - I don't know where you got that by my posting an article about them and ISIS. You commented to the effect that I think the mob is a good thing and I replied that if they kill ISIS fighters - I'm OK with that. I stand by that.

Your saying that I'm defending the mob is an assumption you made - I'm not going to go off on a tangent about that.

musiclady · « **Reply #21 on:** January 23, 2016, 10:25:31 pm »

Quote from: alicewonders on January 23, 2016, 10:00:14 pm

NO ONE is defending the mob - I don't know where you got that by my posting an article about them and ISIS. You commented to the effect that I think the mob is a good thing and I replied that if they kill ISIS fighters - I'm OK with that. I stand by that.

Your saying that I'm defending the mob is an assumption you made - I'm not going to go off on a tangent about that.

I'm not going off onto any tangent.

But I've said what I intended to say about the Mob, and my own particular experience with watching the Mafia, and don't think that a President should have ties with said organization.

This is just one more negative, in addition to the hundreds of others, that will keep me far, far away from supporting Donald Trump.

Paladin · « **Reply #22 on:** January 23, 2016, 10:52:35 pm »

It's well known the Sicilian Mafia aided the allied forces when they invaded Sicily in 1943. It is equally well known that the NY/NJ Mafia kept the east coast docks free from sabotage during the war. In return for his cooperation Mafioso Charles Luciano was released from jail and was deported back to Italy.

And why focus on Atlantic City to show Trump's associations with the Mob?

"WASHINGTON, April 29— Organized crime controls 75 percent of the construction industry in New York City through its control over the concrete industry and construction unions, an admitted mob captain told Senators today."

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/04/30/nyregion/mob-role-in-new-york-construction-depicted.html

That was in 1988. Little has changed since then.