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The Ted Cruz pile on: GOP senators warn of revolt should he win nomination

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    * Senior Senate Republicans are worried about the impact on the party if Ted Cruz wins the presidential nomination
    * "I think we'll lose if he's our nominee," said Orrin Hatch, the most senior Republican in the Senate

Washington (CNN)Republican Party leaders and prominent senators are sharpening their knives against Ted Cruz, expressing growing alarm over his candidacy as he continues to mount a serious threat in Iowa.

In interviews with CNN, a growing number of Republicans are beginning to echo remarks made by the likes of former Sen. Bob Dole and Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad, warning that the party would suffer deep losses down the ticket and risk electing a Democratic president if the Texas senator wins the nomination.

"I think we'll lose if he's our nominee," said Orrin Hatch, the most senior Republican in the Senate.

"There's a lot of people who don't feel he can appeal to people across the board," Hatch said. "For us to win, we have to appeal to the moderates and independents. We can't just act like that only one point of view is the only way to go. That's where Ted is going to have some trouble."

It's not just Jeb Bush supporters like Hatch who are speaking out more aggressively. A large number of GOP senators say Cruz's divisive tactics, which have included describing his colleagues as part of a corrupt "Washington cartel," will make it hard --- if not impossible --- to get behind him if he's the nominee.

"It would be a major challenge because of the wounds that are deep," said Indiana Sen. Dan Coats, who is neutral in the race so far.

"An awful lot of us really didn't like to be targeted as corrupt, establishment bought by the lobby establishment," Coats added. "It sure looks like someone was using it as a way to gain notoriety as the only true conservative in Washington."

The bitter feelings come at an urgent time for Republicans. Cruz is neck-and-neck with Donald Trump in Iowa, and a win in the Hawkeye State could put the Texas freshman on solid ground heading into the rest of the primary contests in February. A loss in Iowa, however, could set Cruz back substantially as the race turns to New Hampshire, where Trump is running ahead of the pack and others like Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush and John Kasich are vying for second place.

There's no love for Cruz, who many in the party believe has chosen to engage in tactics aimed at dividing the GOP. He famously led the charge to defund Obamacare in 2013, a battle that precipitated a 16-day government shutdown. He battled with his party's strategy on immigration, the debt ceiling and the budget, even one time pulling GOP senators into session on a Saturday during Christmas season.

And Cruz's accusation earlier this year that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is a liar over his deal-making on the Export-Import Bank angered many Republicans.

"Ted Cruz has burned some bridges with some fellow senators," said Sen. Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia.

"You do see people coming out with more aggressive comments" ahead of Iowa.

Cruz campaign brushes off fears

Cruz's campaign is pushing back against the growing criticism from the party leaders, saying it's a concerted effort to back Trump.

"Of course D.C. establishment politicians are abandoning Marco Rubio and running to Trump, because they want a candidate who will cut deals to keep them in power, said Cruz spokeswoman Catherine Frazier.

"And that's perfectly fine, because Americans aren't looking for a dealmaker who will compromise; they are looking for a leader who will break up the Washington cartel and restore our nation's safety and prosperity," Frazier added.

Indeed, some in the party establishment do believe that Trump would have cross-over appeal, despite his incendiary comments.

"I've come around a little bit on Trump," Hatch said Thursday. "I'm not so sure we'd lose if he's our nominee because he's appealing to people who a lot of the Republican candidates have not appealed to in the past."

RELATED: Rand Paul: Donald Trump 'little bit' more worrisome than Ted Cruz

Worries about down-ballot impact

Sen. John Cornyn, Cruz's fellow Texas Republican and the No. 2 in his conference, said GOP senators are unsettled by the roiling presidential race and what it could mean for their chances of keeping control of the Senate, where the party has a narrow 54-46 majority and faces several tough re-election races in left-leaning states like Illinois.

"I think people are concerned," Cornyn told CNN. "Because obviously the top of the ticket will have a big bearing on whether we'll hold a majority of the Senate. We don't need any headwinds from the top of the ticket. We need some tailwinds."

Asked if he agreed with Dole's comments to The New York Times that nominating Cruz would be "cataclysmic" to the party, Cornyn said: "I'm not going to comment on that."

Others were even more forceful.

"His ability to grow the vote of the Republican Party is almost zero," South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, who dropped out of the presidential race and is now backing Bush, said of Cruz.

"He'll easily be portrayed as ideological to a fault."

Asked if he'd prefer Trump over Cruz, Graham said: "It's a lot like being shot or poisoned: I think you get the same result."

McCain: Cruz is no Reagan

While running against an unpopular GOP leadership undoubtedly plays well with the base, having support from the party establishment can help in the general election, with surrogates barnstorming the country and speaking on the airwaves on behalf of the nominee's agenda. It's uncertain whether that would happen with Cruz at the top of the ticket.

"There's no doubt he has harmed relationships among people," said Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, the 2008 GOP presidential nominee. "I would assume that all members would work with the elected president for the good of the country. But there is no doubt there would be strains in the working relationship."

McCain added: "He talks a lot about Ronald Reagan. One of things that Ronald Reagan did when he came to office was heavily court Republicans and Democrats. ... I don't see Sen. Cruz being able to do that."

And the senators, it's clear, are not going to hold back.

Graham, for instance, said that Trump was "crazy" with an "insane" foreign policy and Cruz was a "rigid ideologue," both of which would be problematic against Hillary Clinton, even if voters view her as a "dishonest" candidate, he said.

"Dishonest beats crazy," said Graham, who dropped his bid for the GOP nomination last month. "Dishonest loses to normal.

Just pick somebody normal. Pick somebody out of the phone book and we win."

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He should use some of these quotes as "endorsements," then follow with:

If this is what the D.C. insiders who got us into the mess we're in today think of Ted Cruz as a Senator... imagine him as President!

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The GOPe can go to that place that has no ice.  :soangry: :#@$%:   I see a jpg  every so often it says...

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He should use some of these quotes as "endorsements," then follow with:

If this is what the D.C. insiders who got us into the mess we're in today think of Ted Cruz as a Senator... imagine him as President!

(I'm Ted Cruz and I approve of this message.)
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Now THIS is the kind of endorsement that Cruz can take to the bank.

Glenn, not so much!

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"And Cruz's accusation earlier this year that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is a liar over his deal-making on the Export-Import Bank angered many Republicans."

Since when is a statement of fact an allegation?

Seems like the "He Men Globalist Alleged Republicans" are circling the wagons against Cruz.

That is speaking highly for him,and removing some of my hesitation to support him. He might actually be worth voting for.

I have to be honest,though. The fact that he came up through the same Texas political farm club as the Bush Crime Family makes me a little leery of him,and so does his Wall Street globalist wife.  I do realize that nobody is perfect,and having powerful US Senators going after you does a lot to mitigate those fears.

I am of the opinion that maybe the most effective way to put our form of government back on track would be to snatch up the 1st 50 US Senators leaving the senate building,and hang them as a public example of what the surviving 50 and their 50 replacements will be facing if they don't start putting what's best and Constitutional for America first instead of what's best for them and their donors.
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He should use some of these quotes as "endorsements," then follow with:

If this is what the D.C. insiders who got us into the mess we're in today think of Ted Cruz as a Senator... imagine him as President!

(I'm Ted Cruz and I approve of this message.)

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Orrin Hatch, John McCain and Lindsay Graham................. yep, we need to pay attention to what they say.............

AND THEN DO THE OPPOSITE!

I echo what's been said above.  GREAT endorsement for Cruz!

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So, the GOPe is basically saying Cruz won't compromise his principles.

This is negative how?
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Re: The Ted Cruz pile on: GOP senators warn of revolt should he win nomination
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2016, 11:20:03 pm »
So, the GOPe is basically saying Cruz won't compromise his principles.

This is negative how?

It's obviously a huge negative if you are a member of the private club known as the US Senate.
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Re: The Ted Cruz pile on: GOP senators warn of revolt should he win nomination
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2016, 11:20:48 pm »
So, the GOPe is basically saying Cruz won't compromise his principles.

This is negative how?

Excellent endorsement for Cruz!  You know you're doing something right and a valid threat if the establishment is trying to do all they can to keep you from winning.

Ted Cruz 2016.  Reigniting the Promise of America!!

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Re: The Ted Cruz pile on: GOP senators warn of revolt should he win nomination
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2016, 11:21:04 pm »
Seems like the "He Men Globalist Alleged Republicans" are circling the wagons against Cruz.

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Re: The Ted Cruz pile on: GOP senators warn of revolt should he win nomination
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2016, 11:22:49 pm »
Excellent endorsement for Cruz!  You know you're doing something right and a valid threat if the establishment is trying to do all they can to keep you from winning.

Ted Cruz 2016.  Reigniting the Promise of America!!

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Re: The Ted Cruz pile on: GOP senators warn of revolt should he win nomination
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2016, 11:26:14 pm »
...Graham, for instance, said that Trump was "crazy" with an "insane" foreign policy and Cruz was a "rigid ideologue.   Gee...Lindsay ... seems like their backbone just keeps getting in your way.  I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Senate when the people actually start voting. My hunch is they are going to either have to deal with Cruz. They are welcome to vacate their seats.  I don't know about you, but I for one wouldn't miss McCain or Graham nor the rest of the RINO's in the Senate.
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Re: The Ted Cruz pile on: GOP senators warn of revolt should he win nomination
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2016, 11:33:52 pm »
Well, this is to be expected.

You can't infuriate 98 out of 100 senators and *NOT* expect them to lash out against you.

Cruz really needed to have read 'The Prince' before thrusting himself into national politics.

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Re: The Ted Cruz pile on: GOP senators warn of revolt should he win nomination
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2016, 11:38:15 pm »
So, the GOPe is basically saying Cruz won't compromise his principles.

This is negative how?

The simplest negative will be at the party convention.  Each senator is a delegate (rather, they are called 'superdelegates') who votes for a candidate to become the general election candidate for the GOP.

Couple that to how Cruz offended the people of New York and you are looking at no convention votes for Cruz from those superdelegates and the GOP delegates from the state of New York.

Meaning he's got to make those up from the other 49 states and their delegates.

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Re: The Ted Cruz pile on: GOP senators warn of revolt should he win nomination
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2016, 11:40:00 pm »
Wow.  Graham is besides himself right now.  He went so far as to state that a Trump or Cruz win would be like getting shot or poisoned.!!

I think the GOPe is not only in a panic, but they no that their days are numbered.  Happy Days Are Just Around the Corner.  Perhaps now they realize what it felt like for many us to have to hold our nose and pull the lever for McCain so that Obama wouldn't win.  I hate to say it, but a terrible thought just ran through my mind.  With a much disdain that the Senate has for Cruz and as much as he threatens their gravy train ride ... I hope Cruz has adequate body guard protection.

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Re: The Ted Cruz pile on: GOP senators warn of revolt should he win nomination
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2016, 11:50:27 pm »
Wow.  Graham is besides himself right now.  He went so far as to state that a Trump or Cruz win would be like getting shot or poisoned.!!


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Re: The Ted Cruz pile on: GOP senators warn of revolt should he win nomination
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2016, 12:00:07 am »
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HINT:  Republicans or Democrats won't decide the next election.  It will be the SWING VOTE.

Wouldn't THAT be wonderful?

The only way we are going to get this country back on track again is by paying more attention to local elections than national elections because local politicians have no choice but to listen to us,and they can tell those above them in the political food chain that business as usual is DEAD.

If this leads to the destruction of the One Party with Two Branches that are running our country into the ground,good for us!

Whatever we do,the prime thing MUST be break up the ruling cartel.
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Re: The Ted Cruz pile on: GOP senators warn of revolt should he win nomination
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2016, 12:00:51 am »
Wow.  Graham is besides himself right now.  He went so far as to state that a Trump or Cruz win would be like getting shot or poisoned.!!

I think the GOPe is not only in a panic, but they no that their days are numbered.  Happy Days Are Just Around the Corner.  Perhaps now they realize what it felt like for many us to have to hold our nose and pull the lever for McCain so that Obama wouldn't win.  I hate to say it, but a terrible thought just ran through my mind.  With a much disdain that the Senate has for Cruz and as much as he threatens their gravy train ride ... I hope Cruz has adequate body guard protection.
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Re: The Ted Cruz pile on: GOP senators warn of revolt should he win nomination
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2016, 12:02:40 am »
....  I don't know about you, but I for one wouldn't miss McCain or Graham nor the rest of the RINO's in the Senate.

Good riddance to bad trash.
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Re: The Ted Cruz pile on: GOP senators warn of revolt should he win nomination
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2016, 12:06:56 am »
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HINT:  Republicans or Democrats won't decide the next election.  It will be the SWING VOTE.
And some Republicans and Independents will consider him to be- - -

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Re: The Ted Cruz pile on: GOP senators warn of revolt should he win nomination
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2016, 12:08:02 am »
The simplest negative will be at the party convention.  Each senator is a delegate (rather, they are called 'superdelegates') who votes for a candidate to become the general election candidate for the GOP.

Couple that to how Cruz offended the people of New York and you are looking at no convention votes for Cruz from those superdelegates and the GOP delegates from the state of New York.

Meaning he's got to make those up from the other 49 states and their delegates.

John,that simply means it is up to those of us who vote in the various states to let our reps know if they swim in those waters they will be looking for new employment come the next election.

The Country Club Republicans (now identified as globalists) got away with handicapping Regan by insisting he take that evil old bastard Poppy Bush as his VP in order to get party support because nobody but the insiders knew about it at the time.

This is the day of the internet and we all have computers. If we let them get away with that sort of thing this time it is nobody's fault but our own and we weill deserve whatever we get.

The truth is they pretty much all went after Barry Goldwater in public a few years before that,and didn't even try to hide it. Our parents should has snatched knots in their strings back then,but didn't. This time we will have the ball,and we need to run it if necessary.
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Re: The Ted Cruz pile on: GOP senators warn of revolt should he win nomination
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2016, 12:13:29 am »
And some Republicans and Independents will consider him to be- - -

Cruz R-Alberta Canada

And not risking going any further, over eligibility alone.

So what? This isn't a perfect world and all we can do is do the best we can do. Don't waste too much time trying to convert those people. Just focus your time on working with the unconvinced people with open minds to bring them around to the "not business as usual" mindset. Business as usual is what put us where we are today.
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