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Beg to differ. Donald Trump stands a better chance of winning the presidency then either Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders, or anyone else the Democrats put up. Barack Hussein Obama's disastrous presidency  guarantees the (R) wins. Why do you think it was such a crowded field? They all wanted to be the nominee. Unfortunately for them Donald Trump got in the way.

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Beg to differ. Donald Trump stands a better chance of winning the presidency then either Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders, or anyone else the Democrats put up. Barack Hussein Obama's disastrous presidency  guarantees the (R) wins. Why do you think it was such a crowded field? They all wanted to be the nominee. Unfortunately for them Donald Trump got in the way.
Not according to virtually every poll on the subject.

The best result for Republicans comes from Rubio.
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She didn't spit on anyone.  She urged folks to step back, calm down, and exercise common sense.

Anger and rationality don't mix.   If Trump gets the nomination, he'll lose the general election, and then it's another four years of Dem control.  Hillary would likely make two, three or more appointments to the SCOTUS,  changing it forever (or at least for this old man's lifetime).   And the GOP will likely lose the Senate, and that essential check on Democrat perfidy.

Use your heads folks!   Supporting Trump is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.   

Does it bother you that she spent valuable capital bashing some of those in her own party, instead of using that time for what it was intended - rebutting Obama?  The Democrats would NEVER do such a thing.

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Does it bother you that she spent valuable capital bashing some of those in her own party, instead of using that time for what it was intended - rebutting Obama?  The Democrats would NEVER do such a thing.

Democrats understand politics is about winning, not about proving you're a better person than the other guy. Oh, sure, 'rats got the media in their pocket which gives them a lot of leeway.

But, still, Republicans want to be liked too darn much to establish stark contrasts, enough for voters to see a difference in the parties. Too much compassionate conservatism going on, if you ask me.

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Democrats understand politics is about winning, not about proving you're a better person than the other guy. Oh, sure, 'rats got the media in their pocket which gives them a lot of leeway.

But, still, Republicans want to be liked too darn much to establish stark contrasts, enough for voters to see a difference in the parties. Too much compassionate conservatism going on, if you ask me.

And, if we learn nothing else from Trump, we should learn that.

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We should learn to be arseholes, just like the Donald?   Lots of folks, it appears, ascribe to the moral position that two wrongs make a right,  that the way to confront the Dems is to mimic their worst qualities, and contempt for others.   

This isn't a game.   Yet we're auditioning a game show host.   
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We should learn to be arseholes, just like the Donald?   Lots of folks, it appears, ascribe to the moral position that two wrongs make a right,  that the way to confront the Dems is to mimic their worst qualities, and contempt for others.   

This isn't a game.   Yet we're auditioning a game show host.
You are asking "contemporary conservatives" to be like the old ones you once knew and admired. Reagan, etc.

Those days are gone. The people from those olde dayes are routinely called names now. Reagan himself would be a so called Rino today.

Part of this stems from the fact forums like this do NOT represent voters, or Republican voters. They ONLY represent the extreme end of Republican voters, usually.

You come along, with more moderate views, and you are treated with derision, because that is how "contemporary conservatives" behave. Reagan did not treat his political associates and opponents with derision.

Contemporary conservatives are seething with anger about democrats and many Republicans too. They need the Republicans but can't get beyond their anger to treat people with civility.

Logically, strategically, politically they SHOULD know they need to combine forces with Republicans more moderate than they are.

However contemporary conservatives are math and logic challenged.
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Does anyone care to address the issue that this was supposed to be a REBUTTAL speech to the SOTUS - and not a lecture to our own party?

That's the way it used to be in the good old days when the whole point was to be the opposition.

Anyone?

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Did the Worm actually say anything worth rebutting? If so, it'd be a first.
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You are asking "contemporary conservatives" to be like the old ones you once knew and admired. Reagan, etc.

Those days are gone. The people from those olde dayes are routinely called names now. Reagan himself would be a so called Rino today.

Part of this stems from the fact forums like this do NOT represent voters, or Republican voters. They ONLY represent the extreme end of Republican voters, usually.

You come along, with more moderate views, and you are treated with derision, because that is how "contemporary conservatives" behave. Reagan did not treat his political associates and opponents with derision.

Contemporary conservatives are seething with anger about democrats and many Republicans too. They need the Republicans but can't get beyond their anger to treat people with civility.

Logically, strategically, politically they SHOULD know they need to combine forces with Republicans more moderate than they are.

However contemporary conservatives are math and logic challenged.

Poignant, insightful, and thought provoking.  The gears in my head are spinning from your reply, yet I can't seem to focus on the main drive of it all...so I am going to meander through this response and see where it leads.  Flesh it out a bit.

I have often asked the question why "real conservatives" or contemporary conservatives are so poorly represented in Congress outside of a few hard right gerrymandered congressional districts and the reddest of the red states in the Senate?  Often contemporary conservatives tell me the system is rigged.  They have no concept of what a tiny minority of voters they are...in fact they believe their views are shared by a majority of "the people."

Every election they whimper that they will bolt to a 3rd party if they don't get the respect they think they are entitled to, as they brag about how they have not donated to the GOP in 20 years.  In 2008 they couldn't coalesce around a candidate because none were worthy, they just knew McCain couldn't be the nominee.  Anybody But McCain was the mantra but they also had disdain for Giuliani and Romney.  Rudy McRomney was a common epithet used at TOS.  They got McCain.

In 2012 Romney was the establishment candidate to beat and they got Romney.  In 2014 they pooled their resources and rage against the establishment in the Senate and won nothing but Eric Cantor's seat.  Not only that but after the elections they claimed they were the reason for GOP majorities in the House and Senate 

Which brings us to today.  Contemporary conservatives believe if they can just get the right kind of dictator elected to President that dictator will do an end run around the Constitution they claim to admire so much.  Trump is their guy.  Some how he will undo 200 years of elections by the people with little support from the elected and re-elected establishment which runs DC.  Never mind that he gets much of his support from self identified rats who vote Republican.  Never mind that he is buddies with the Clintons.  Never mind that he was until recently squishy on taxes, guns, abortion and other conservative issues.

Only an establishment politician would lie now and act differently after election, right?

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Only an establishment politician would lie now and act differently after election, right?

We know that the establishment pols will for sure...

That's why we want to try the non-establishment pols... for once...


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We know that the establishment pols will for sure...

That's why we want to try the non-establishment pols... for once...

Is that an emotional reaction, or a rational one?

And if you say it's rational, then why not Carson or Fiorina?   Why the demogogue?   
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Yeah, let's try the establishment guys one more time - this time it'll be different!

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Yeah, let's try the establishment guys one more time - this time it'll be different!
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Is that an emotional reaction, or a rational one?

And if you say it's rational, then why not Carson or Fiorina?   Why the demogogue?

Because.  They.  Can't.  Win.

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We know that the establishment pols will for sure...

That's why we want to try the non-establishment pols... for once...

MAYBE, we may get the chance.  Maybe.

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Does anyone care to address the issue that this was supposed to be a REBUTTAL speech to the SOTUS - and not a lecture to our own party?

That's the way it used to be in the good old days when the whole point was to be the opposition.

Anyone?

Exactly. Context is King. The CONTEXT of this speech was a RESPONSE to a Democrat President. it was not suppose to be a platform for trash talking your own brand. Hailey's speech maybe would be appropriate at a GOP event. it is wholly wrong way to use a national media broadcast

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Is that an emotional reaction, or a rational one?

Utterly absurd for JZ to talk about "rational" responses since his every post on Trump is wholly driven by emotion without even the slightest nod towards reason.

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I agree, for the most part. The CofC mostly represents small businesses which, in my state, are the heart and soul of the economy. Unfortunately, when it comes to lobbying, the CofC sometimes pushes for government largesse when it should be arguing for "hands off." A conservative should want its elected officials, whether local, state or federal, to just get the heck out of the way of those (other than the federal government) who employ people.

Maybe because the COFC is not the COfC of old. The CofC of old would not be spending $150 million to defeat PRIMARY challengers to GOP Liberals.

Face it. The CofC is now the Big Goverment wing of the GOP. Their only concern is to make sure they can get as many seats at the tax payer funded feeding trough as they possible can.

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Maybe because the COFC is not the COfC of old. The CofC of old would not be spending $150 million to defeat PRIMARY challengers to GOP Liberals.

Face it. The CofC is now the Big Goverment wing of the GOP. Their only concern is to make sure they can get as many seats at the tax payer funded feeding trough as they possible can.

That's how I see it as well! The friend of my enemy is my enemy as well!
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Maybe because the COFC is not the COfC of old. The CofC of old would not be spending $150 million to defeat PRIMARY challengers to GOP Liberals.

Face it. The CofC is now the Big Goverment wing of the GOP. Their only concern is to make sure they can get as many seats at the tax payer funded feeding trough as they possible can.

Agreed on that, the NATIONAL CoC (especially under Donohue) has done nothing but work AGAINST WtP.

But, don't paint with too broad of a brush.  For the most part the local CoC organizations (even though they are affiliates, they don't set the national agenda) still serve a very useful purpose for citizens, business, and the overall community.

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Agreed on that, the NATIONAL CoC (especially under Donohue) has done nothing but work AGAINST WtP.

But, don't paint with too broad of a brush.  For the most part the local CoC organizations (even though they are affiliates, they don't set the national agenda) still serve a very useful purpose for citizens, business, and the overall community.
Agreed. It's mostly the national - and even state - chambers of commerce that seem to have become enamored of big government.
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Observation about the posts on the C of C topic: Nobody here has said they are/were a business owner, or past/present member of C of C.

They kind of people running businesses with 5, 50, 500 people are too busy to waste countless hours online arguing over national politics. They may however be involved locally with issues that impact them directly.

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