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Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« on: January 06, 2016, 06:05:03 pm »
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/264930-coulter-cruz-is-not-a-natural-born-citizen

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Conservative commentator Ann Coulter, who has been boosting Donald Trump for president, took to Twitter on Wednesday to declare that Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) is not a natural born citizen.

    Same lawyers who said anchor babies are in the Constitution now tell us being born outside U.S to 1 American parent = natural born citizen.
    — Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) January 6, 2016

    NYT: Cruz was born outside the U.S. to 1 American parent: "Under the Constitution this makes him a 'natural born citizen.'” Absolutely false
    — Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) January 6, 2016

Coulter joins Trump in questioning whether Cruz can legally be president.

“Republicans are going to have to ask themselves the question: ‘Do we want a candidate who could be tied up in court for two years?’ That’d be a big problem,” Trump told The Washington Post on Tuesday.

The U.S. Constitution states that to be eligible for the White House, one must be a “natural born citizen.” That’s generally interpreted as including those born to U.S. citizens, even if their birth took place on foreign soil.

Cruz was born in Canada to an American mother and Cuban father. For years he held duel U.S.-Canada citizenships. The Texas Republican renounced his Canadian citizenship after he became a U.S. senator.

Cruz has laughed off the suggestion he’s not eligible for the White House, taking to Twitter on Tuesday to post a link from the television show “Happy Days” that shows Fonzie jumping a shark.

I have read some of her books. Sad to see she has been on the dark's side team all along.


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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2016, 06:14:57 pm »

The problem is Coulter may be right.

I'm just not smart enough to know if she is or isn't.

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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2016, 06:56:42 pm »
Cruz: Coulter is not a natural born blonde.  :whistle:
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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2016, 06:57:35 pm »
Haven't we already fallen off this bridge?
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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2016, 06:58:19 pm »

Looking a little further into this, it appears that the anti Cruz people are hanging their hat on the fact that only one parent, Cruz's mom, held dual Canadian and U.S. citizenship when Ted Cruz was born. Cruz's dad had only a U.S. green card, which has some stipulations for it to remain valid, when he applied for Canadian citizenship.

The other historical examples, George Romney and John McCain, had two American citizen parents at the time of their birth. Some folks are saying that's the difference here.

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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2016, 07:01:19 pm »
Haven't we already fallen off this bridge?

I'm afraid so! 

Ted Cruz is much more a citizen than Obama is!  That's for sure!
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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2016, 07:22:49 pm »
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/264930-coulter-cruz-is-not-a-natural-born-citizen

I have read some of her books. Sad to see she has been on the dark's side team all along.

The only people on Coulter's "team" are her publicists and financial advisers.

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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2016, 07:37:50 pm »
Coulter and Trump........... quite a team.

Go CRUZ! 

(Who, incidentally, had the Constitution memorized at age 13, and with whom neither Coulter nor Trump should ever argue).
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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2016, 07:42:57 pm »
Coulter and Trump........... quite a team.

Go CRUZ! 

(Who, incidentally, had the Constitution memorized at age 13, and with whom neither Coulter nor Trump should ever argue).

Ann seems to have changed her tune.  She must have another book coming out that requires her to attract attention.

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/302130365487804417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Ann Coulter ✔ @AnnCoulter
TED CRUZ CAN RUN FOR PRESIDENT!  I worried on @seanhannity @ his Calgary birth, But his mother was a US citizen, so he was born a citizen.
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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2016, 07:46:32 pm »
Coulter and Trump........... quite a team.

Go CRUZ! 

(Who, incidentally, had the Constitution memorized at age 13, and with whom neither Coulter nor Trump should ever argue).

Exactly.   :beer:   :patriot:
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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2016, 08:29:36 pm »
Ben Shapiro at Daily Wire:
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Yes, Ted Cruz Is Eligible For The Presidency
Ben Shapiro
January 6, 2016


Years ago, Donald Trump forced Barack Obama to produce his birth certificate by elevating questions of his birthplace to front-page news. Now he’s turned his guns on leading challenger Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX), suggesting that his birth in Canada makes him ineligible for the presidency. In an interview, Trump said that Cruz’s birth was a “very precarious” problem: “Republicans are going to have to ask themselves the question: ‘Do we want a candidate who could be tied up in court for two years?’ That’d be a big problem.”   ...

This is clearly a desperate play by Trump to rip back support from Cruz. Back in September, when Cruz was but a glimmer in Trump’s polling data, Trump dismissed birther questions on ABC News: “I hear it was checked out by every attorney and every which way and I understand Ted is in fine shape.” That was months after declaring Cruz’s birthplace “a stumbling block.”

So Trump flip-flops on this issue, too.

But for those wondering, he’s likely wrong on the legal side.

Here are the facts.

The provision of the Constitution in question is Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:      No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Cruz’s mother was born in Delaware, his father in Cuba. Cruz was born in 1970 in Calgary, Canada.

So, what does it mean to be a “natural born citizen”?

The goal of the “natural born citizen” clause was to prevent “all chances for ambitious foreigners, who might otherwise be intriguing for the office,” according to Justice Story. So, what did the clause mean practically?

Under British law preceding American law, “natural born” meant both jus soli and jus sanguinis. Jus soli means that you are a citizen if born within the territory of the country. Jus sanguinis means that you are a citizen if one of your parents is a citizen. In its 1790 naturalization statute, the United States re-enshrined this principle, stating, “the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens.” But whether the Constitution embraces the same language remains a semi-open question upon which the Supreme Court has not openly ruled.

The only way Cruz’s eligibility would arise is if Trump actually sued to keep Cruz off the ballot, or if a state did so. Neither seems likely. ...
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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2016, 08:56:56 pm »
Cruz: Coulter is not a natural born blonde.  :whistle:

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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2016, 09:33:51 pm »
Pretty much every expert agrees it should be based to the origin intent when written, that is born a citizen versus naturalized. Bloggers and those with political motives keep adding requirements to that but the original intent was simple and clear.

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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2016, 09:34:57 pm »
Cruz: Coulter is not a natural born blonde.  :whistle:

I wonder about other things she (sic) was naturally born as.

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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2016, 09:44:34 pm »
I wonder about other things she (sic) was naturally born as.

Breath easy, my friend. She is DEFINITELY a naturally born vindictive shrew.
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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2016, 10:07:08 pm »
The CRUZ supporters should be THANKING Trump for saying what he did and not doing the Hater thing and trash him.  THINK ABOUT IT! In a couple of weeks if not sooner the CRUVE ball will break and TRUMP has hit it out of the Park, AGAIN.  Now the new headlines are OBAMA and TRUMP going after CRUZ. Does anyone still think Barry wants Hillary as the next POTUS and the CLINTIONS back in control of the RINOGOPe and DEM parties? CRUZ supporters, do not expect any help from the RINOGOPe on this? They are delighted at this and giving each other high fives. The "Party of Stupid" has no reason as to why TRUMP come out with this statement.   :patriot:
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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2016, 10:23:38 pm »
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Yes, Ted Cruz Is Eligible For The Presidency
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Years ago, Donald Trump forced Barack Obama to produce his birth certificate by elevating questions of his birthplace to front-page news. Now he’s turned his guns on leading challenger Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX), suggesting that his birth in Canada makes him ineligible for the presidency. In an interview, Trump said that Cruz’s birth was a “very precarious” problem: “Republicans are going to have to ask themselves the question: ‘Do we want a candidate who could be tied up in court for two years?’ That’d be a big problem.”

Trump supporter Ann Coulter agrees:

This is clearly a desperate play by Trump to rip back support from Cruz. Back in September, when Cruz was but a glimmer in Trump’s polling data, Trump dismissed birther questions on ABC News: “I hear it was checked out by every attorney and every which way and I understand Ted is in fine shape.” That was months after declaring Cruz’s birthplace “a stumbling block.”

So Trump flip-flops on this issue, too....

http://www.dailywire.com/news/2392/yes-ted-cruz-eligible-presidency-ben-shapiro


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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2016, 10:52:10 pm »
Ann seems to have changed her tune.  She must have another book coming out that requires her to attract attention.

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/302130365487804417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Ann Coulter ✔ @AnnCoulter
TED CRUZ CAN RUN FOR PRESIDENT!  I worried on @seanhannity @ his Calgary birth, But his mother was a US citizen, so he was born a citizen.
1:01 PM - 14 Feb 2013
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Ann always blows a lot of hot air when she's got a book coming out.

She craves attention, poor soul...........   **nononono*
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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2016, 11:47:09 pm »
The CRUZ supporters should be THANKING Trump for saying what he did and not doing the Hater thing and trash him.  THINK ABOUT IT! In a couple of weeks if not sooner the CRUVE ball will break and TRUMP has hit it out of the Park, AGAIN.  Now the new headlines are OBAMA and TRUMP going after CRUZ. Does anyone still think Barry wants Hillary as the next POTUS and the CLINTIONS back in control of the RINOGOPe and DEM parties? CRUZ supporters, do not expect any help from the RINOGOPe on this? They are delighted at this and giving each other high fives. The "Party of Stupid" has no reason as to why TRUMP come out with this statement.   :patriot:

???? Not following you on this one at all.  I see this as Trump knowing that Cruz is on his coattails in both Iowa and New Hampshire and needing to attack him for something.  And I should be thankful for Trump for what now?
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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2016, 12:53:09 am »
The problem is Coulter may be right.

I'm just not smart enough to know if she is or isn't. 

Cruz needs to clear this up--without being clever or defensive. And he can't let talking heads or the Internet debate this endlessly.

If he wants this behind him, Cruz needs a legal judgment on his specific set of circumstances.   

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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2016, 01:04:19 am »
Cruz needs to clear this up--without being clever or defensive. And he can't let talking heads or the Internet debate this endlessly.

If he wants this behind him, Cruz needs a legal judgment on his specific set of circumstances.

He has responded.  I have seen him questioned on the local nightly news.  All Trump wants to do is slow him down, cast the only shadow he can possibly cast on Cruz and take away time and money better spent elsewhere than dealing with this crap. Further, Trump went after Hussein on this and got nowhere.

Ted Cruz: The law is clear that I’m a natural-born citizen

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/01/06/ted-cruz-the-law-is-clear-that-im-a-natural-born-citizen/
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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2016, 01:10:05 am »
Ted Cruz: The law is clear that I’m a natural-born citizen 

If the law was truly clear, there would not be a question or a debate.  A written legal opinion from the Judiciary explaining and supporting that someone born on foreign soil, to a foreign father and a mother with foreign citizenship at the time of his birth is, indeed, a natural born citizen eligible for the Presidency of the United States.

Easy peazy.
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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2016, 01:11:59 am »
Cruz needs to clear this up--without being clever or defensive. And he can't let talking heads or the Internet debate this endlessly.

If he wants this behind him, Cruz needs a legal judgment on his specific set of circumstances.

Yes.   A REAL, open legal judgement because you know the liberals are going to beat him up with it.
May be why Trump brought it up.... get on top of it now.

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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2016, 01:14:38 am »
Yes.   A REAL, open legal judgement because you know the liberals are going to beat him up with it.
May be why Trump brought it up.... get on top of it now.

Trump has said he "doing Cruz a favor".  I think he's right. 

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Re: Coulter: Cruz is not a natural born citizen
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2016, 01:46:13 am »
Fishrrman's credo:
Reality is what it is. It is not what we believe it to be.

I like Ted Cruz.

But Ann Coulter may be right about this.
Or she may be wrong.

The "reality" is that unless and until there is a definitive ruling from the United States Supreme Court that clarifies and defines (at least from The Court) the definition of "natural born citizen" insofar as the Constitution is concerned, this term remains open to argument and interpretation.

I realize I'm going against the grain in this forum, but I'm on Coulter's side.
I do not believe anyone (and this includes YOU) should be considered a "natural born citizen" unless he/she is born on United States soil with both parents being citizens.
I can safely say that I do meet that qualification.

I believe that was the intent of the Founders, and it's why they went so far as to create the linguistic phrase of "natural born citizen" vis-a-vis any other "citizen".

But again, this is something that's open to interpretation and is going to remain unresolved until the Supreme Court issues a ruling to settle it.

I've said this before, and I'm going to repeat it, and mark my words:
If Cruz becomes the nominee, expect relentless and screaming attacks on him from the left regarding this issue.
And as someone mentioned above, expect a fight to prevent him from taking the oath of office if he wins.

Just sayin' ...