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BREAKING: North Korea May Have Successfully Tested A Large-Scale Nuclear Weapon…


Via Gizmodo:

    The US Geological Survey has noted seismic activity—a magnitude 5.1 earthquake—near a known North Korean nuclear test center. The last time this happened, it was thanks to the underground detonation of a nuclear device.

    North Korea has yet to issue a statement on the event, so for the time being, the USGS report is all there is to go on: a magnitude 5.1 earthquake was logged 12 miles northeast of Sungjibaegam at about 8:30 p.m. ET.

    In 2013, the USGS recorded another 5.1 earthquake in the same place. That turned out to be caused by an underground nuclear test, so it’s not much of a leap to assume the same trigger for today’s event.

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from:  www.breakingnews.com

Upcoming: North Korea to make special announcement at 12.30 pm local time (11 pm ET) following reports earlier quake was man-made.

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It won't be enough to make Obama cry, so no one will pay attention.

H-bomb?  North Korea?  Pfttt
Obama and the Clintons got to screw Americans first.  Priorities people.

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Statement by the NATO Secretary General on North Korea's announcement
    Press Release (2016) 001
    Issued on 06 Jan. 2016
NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg

The nuclear weapons test announced by North Korea undermines regional and international security, and is in clear breach of UN Security Council resolutions. I condemn the continued development by North Korea of nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programmes and its inflammatory and threatening rhetoric.

I call on North Korea to fully respect its international obligations and commitments. North Korea should abandon nuclear weapons and existing nuclear and ballistic missile programmes in a complete, verifiable and irreversible manner, and engage in credible and authentic talks on denuclearisation.
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Nuclear experts skeptical of North Korea’s hydrogen bomb claims
The explosion was much smaller than what even a failed H-bomb detonation would produce, nuclear experts say.
 By: Foster Klug Associated Press, Published on Wed Jan 06 2016
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SEOUL, KOREA, REPUBLIC OF—North Korea said it conducted a powerful hydrogen bomb test Wednesday, a defiant and surprising move that, if confirmed, would be a huge jump in Pyongyang’s quest to improve its still-limited nuclear arsenal.

South Korea’s spy agency and outside nuclear experts cast strong doubt, however, saying the estimated explosive yield from North Korea’s fourth nuclear explosion was much smaller than what even a failed H-bomb detonation would produce.

The doubts didn’t stop jubilation and pride in Pyongyang. A North Korean television anchor, reading a typically propaganda-heavy statement, said a test of a “miniaturized” hydrogen bomb had been a “perfect success” that elevated the country’s “nuclear might to the next level.” State media later crowed that its “H-bomb of justice” lets it stand firm against U.S. aggression.

A large crowd celebrated in front of Pyongyang’s main train station as the announcement was read on a big video screen, with people taking videos or photos of the screen on their mobile phones and applauding and cheering.

In Seoul and elsewhere there was high-level worry. South Korean President Park Geun-hye ordered her military to bolster its combined defence posture with U.S. forces and called the test a “grave provocation” and “an act that threatens our lives and future.” Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said, “We absolutely cannot allow this.”

Washington and nuclear experts have been skeptical about past North Korean claims about H-bombs, which are much more powerful and much more difficult to make, than atomic bombs. A confirmed test would further worsen already abysmal relations between Pyongyang and its neighbours and lead to a strong push for tougher sanctions on North Korea at the United Nations. The Security Council quickly announced an emergency meeting.

Whatever the type of the test, North Korea’s fourth nuclear explosion will likely push Pyongyang’s scientists and engineers closer to their goal of building a bomb small enough to place on a missile that can reach the U.S. mainland.

A successful H-bomb test would be a big new step for the North. Fusion is the main principle behind the hydrogen bomb, which can be hundreds of times more powerful than atomic bombs that use fission. In a hydrogen bomb, radiation from a nuclear fission explosion sets off a fusion reaction responsible for a powerful blast and radioactivity.

A South Korean lawmaker said the country’s spy agency told him in a private briefing that Pyongyang may not have conducted an H-bomb test given the relatively small size of the seismic wave reported.

An estimated explosive yield of 6.0 kilotons and a quake with a magnitude of 4.8 (the U.S. reported 5.1) were detected, lawmaker Lee Cheol Woo said the National Intelligence Service told him. That’s smaller than the estimated explosive yield of 7.9 kilotons and a quake with a magnitude of 4.9 that were reported after the 2013 nuclear test, he said, and only a fraction of the hundreds of kilotons that a successful H-bomb test’s explosion would usually yield. Even a failed H-bomb detonation typically yields tens of kilotons, the NIS told Lee, who sits on the parliament’s intelligence committee.

A miniaturized H-bomb can trigger a weak quake magnitude, but only the U.S. and Russia have such H-bombs, Lee cited the NIS as saying.

While also noting the quake magnitude was likely too small for an H-bomb test, Jaiki Lee, a professor of nuclear engineering at Seoul’s Hanyang University, said the North could have experimented with a “boosted” hybrid bomb that uses some nuclear fusion fuel along with more conventional uranium or plutonium fuel.

After North Korean leader Kim Jong Un bragged of H-bomb capabilities in December, nuclear expert Jeffrey Lewis also questioned Pyongyang’s ability to build such a bomb.

But, he wrote on the North Korea-focused 38 North website, “The North has now had a nuclear weapons program for more than 20 years. This program has yielded three nuclear tests. North Korean nuclear scientists have access to their counterparts in Pakistan, possibly Iran and maybe a few other places. We should not expect that they will test the same fission device over and over again.”

In Pyongyang, meanwhile, the announcement was greeted with an expected rush of nationalistic pride, and some bewilderment.

Kim Sok Chol, 32, told The Associated Press that he doesn’t know much about H-bombs, but added that “Since we have it the U.S. will not attack us.”

University student Ri Sol Yong, 22, said, “If we didn’t have powerful nuclear weapons, we would already have been turned into the slaves of the U.S.”

It could take weeks before the true nature of the test is confirmed by outside experts — if they are able to do so at all. North Korea goes to great lengths to conceal its tests by conducting them underground and tightly sealing off tunnels or any other vents though which radioactive residue and blast-related noble gases could escape into the atmosphere.

The U.S. Air Force has aircraft designed to detect the evidence of a nuclear test, and such aircraft could be deployed from a U.S. base on the Japanese island of Okinawa to search for clues. Japanese media said Tokyo has also mobilized its own reconnaissance aircraft for sorties over the Sea of Japan to try to collect atmospheric data.  ...
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Last Month, Obama Admin Said There’s No WAY North Korea Had A Hydrogen Bomb…
Posted on January 5, 2016 by soopermexican

One of the most unstable regimes on the planet apart from the Kardashian family has announced that they have successfully tested a Hydrogen Bomb.

And just like with the “JV Team” of ISIS, the idiot-in-chief said just a month ago that this was impossible.

From the BBC on December 10th:
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The White House has dismissed a suggestion by North Korean leader Kim Jong-un that his country possesses a hydrogen bomb.

The country was “ready to detonate a self-reliant A-bomb and H-bomb”, state news agency KCNA quoted him as saying.

If true, the development would mark a significant advancement in North Korean nuclear capabilities.

But White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Washington’s evidence “calls into serious question” Pyongyang’s claim.

“We take very seriously the risk and the threat that is posed by the North Korean regime in their ambitions to develop a nuclear weapon,” Mr Earnest added.

Mr Kim made the remarks as he inspected a historical military site in the capital Pyongyang.

The work of his grandfather Kim Il-sung had turned North Korea into a “powerful nuclear weapons state ready to detonate a self-reliant A-bomb and H-bomb to reliably defend its sovereignty and the dignity of the nation”, he was quoted as saying.

Well then.

Thank goodness we have a dull-witted race-baiting celebrity in charge of the free world.
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(CNN) - Sen. Marco Rubio responded to reports that North Korea successfully carrying out its first hydrogen bomb test Tuesday by calling it an example of what the 2016 hopeful sees as bad leadership from President Barack Obama.

"I have been warning throughout this campaign that North Korea is run by a lunatic who has been expanding his nuclear arsenal while President Obama stood idly by," the Florida Republican said in a statement issued late Tuesday night.

The United States still has yet to confirm if North Korea's claims of successfully testing a hydrogen bomb are true, according to the White House and State Department. A magnitude-5.1 seismic event was registered by the U.S. Geological Survey near previous nuclear test sites, but a senior administration official tells CNN that it could take days to obtain the necessary scientific data to determine if the test was indeed successful.

Recognizing that there is still more to be found out about the alleged test, Rubio didn't hesitate to address Democratic presidential frontrunner and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

"If this test is confirmed, it will be just the latest example of the failed Obama-Clinton foreign policy," said Rubio. "Our enemies around the world are taking advantage of Obama's weakness. We need new leadership that will stand up to people like Kim Jong Un and ensure our country has the capabilities necessary to keep America safe."

Three out of four of North Korea's nuclear tests -- in 2009, 2013 and now -- have taken place while Obama has been President.

North Korea's televised announcement of a hydrogen bomb test comes just a couple of days after Rubio laid out an address on national security in the 21st century. He again called North Korea's leader a "lunatic," saying, "There's no other way to describe him. He expands his military while his country starves. He is growing his nuclear arsenal, and building missiles capable of reaching the West coast of the United States." Rubio also listed China and Russia's growing militaries, Iran, and ISIS, which can often dominate national security discussions, in the foreground of the national security landscape.
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North Korea says conducted 'successful' H-bomb test
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January 6, 2016

North Korea said Wednesday it had carried out a "successful" miniaturised hydrogen bomb test -- a shock announcement that, if confirmed, would massively raise the stakes in the hermit state's bid to strengthen its nuclear arsenal.

The announcement triggered swift international condemnation but also scepticism, with experts suggesting the apparent yield was far too low for a thermonuclear device.

"The republic's first hydrogen bomb test has been successfully performed at 10:00 am (0130 GMT)," North Korean state television announced.

"We have now joined the rank of advanced nuclear states," it said, adding that the test was of a miniaturised device.

The television showed North Korean leader Kim Jong-Un's signed order -- dated December 15 -- to go ahead with the test, with a handwritten exhortation to begin 2016 with the "thrilling sound of the first hydrogen bomb explosion".

South Korean President Park Geun-Hye condemned what she described as a "grave provocation" and called for a strong international response as the UN Security Council planned to hold an emergency meeting later Wednesday.

The North's main ally China voiced its strong opposition, while the White House said it was still studying the precise nature of the test and vowed to "respond appropriately".

A hydrogen, or thermonuclear, bomb uses fusion in a chain reaction that results in a far more powerful explosion than the fission blast generated by uranium or plutonium alone.

Last month Kim suggested Pyongyang had already developed such a device.

- Experts sceptical -

That claim was questioned by international experts at the time and there was continued scepticism over Wednesday's test announcement, which took the international community by surprise.

"The seismic data that's been received indicates that the explosion is probably significantly below what one would expect from an H-bomb test," said Australian nuclear policy and arms control specialist Crispin Rovere.

The test, which came just two days before Kim Jong-Un's birthday, was initially detected as a 5.1-magnitude tremor at the North's main Punggye-ri nuclear test site in the northeast of the country.

The weapons yield was initially estimated at between six and nine kilotons -- similar to the North's last nuclear test in 2013.

The first US hydrogen bomb test in 1952 had a yield of 10 megatons.

Bruce Bennett, a senior defence analyst with the Rand Corporation, said if it was an H-bomb that was tested, then the detonation clearly failed -- at least the fusion stage.

"If it were a real H-bomb, the Richter scale reading should have been about a hundred times more powerful," Bennett told AFP.

South Korea's defence ministry also told reporters it doubted Wednesday's explosion was thermonuclear in nature.

There were expressions of concern but no public panic on the streets of Seoul, where people have become largely inured to North Korea's provocations over the years.

Most experts had assumed Pyongyang was years from developing a hydrogen bomb, while assessments were divided on how far it had gone in developing a miniaturised warhead to fit on a ballistic missile.

- Gesture of defiance -

Whatever the nature of the device, it was North Korea's fourth nuclear test and marked a striking act of defiance in the face of warnings from enemies and allies alike that Pyongyang would pay a steep price for moving forward with its nuclear weapons programme.

The North's official news agency was unrepentant.

US "imperialists" had escalated the situation on the Korean peninsula to the brink of war, defying the North's calls for a peace treaty, it said.

"The more frantic the hostile forces get in their moves to isolate and stifle the DPRK (North Korea), the stronger its nuclear deterrent will grow, bringing them to deathbed repentance."

The three previous tests in 2006, 2009 and 2013 triggered waves of UN sanctions. Their failure to prevent a fourth detonation will put the Security Council under intense pressure to take more drastic action this time around.

It throws down a particular challenge to US President Barack Obama, who, during a visit to South Korea in 2014, vowed sanctions with "more bite" if Pyongyang went ahead with another test.

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Remember When Bill Clinton Ended the Nuclear Threat from North Korea?
"It's a crucial step toward drawing North Korea into the global community."
January 6, 2016
Daniel Greenfield
 

Now that North Korea continues, very predictably, to escalate its nuclear program (just as Iran will), let's jump into our time machines and remember how Bill Clinton solved the Nork nukes.

    Good afternoon. I am pleased that the United States and North Korea yesterday reached agreement on the text of a framework document on North Korea's nuclear program. This agreement will help to achieve a longstanding and vital American objective: an end to the threat of nuclear proliferation on the Korean Peninsula.

    This agreement is good for the United States, good for our allies, and good for the safety of the entire world. It reduces the danger of the threat of nuclear spreading in the region. It's a crucial step toward drawing North Korea into the global community.

Pretty much the same speech Obama gave on Iran. So you, and anyone who can count to four, knows how that one is going to end.

    Today all Americans should know that as a result of this achievement on Korea, our Nation will be safer and the future of our people more secure.

And that's the way it was. North Korea detonated an H-bomb, but Bill Clinton almost got six figures to give a speech in North Korea. So it was all worth it.

    Bill Clinton was so eager to rake in six-figure speaking fees he asked his wife’s staff at the State Department whether he could accept invitations involving the repressive nations of North Korea and Congo.

    But Bill Clinton was still interested in the event linked to the secretive country led by brutal dictator Kim Jong-un, and Desai name-dropped Hillary Clinton’s brother in a follow-up sent three weeks after Mills’ rejection.

    “This came via Tony Rodham. So we would be grateful for any specific concerns that we could share, beyond just saying it would be concerning,” Desai wrote.

So close, but no cigar. The official lefty media narrative is that North Korea getting nukes was Bush's fault for being mean to the Norks. Either that or maybe Teddy Roosevelt's fault. Some Republican did it anyway. It can't be a Democrat because they never do anything wrong. Just look at the Carter administration. Or the Obama administration which will no doubt respond to this with the brilliance we have all come to expect from its coterie of foreign policy experts who used to be speechwriters, Communists or terrorists. Mission accomplished.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261366/remember-when-bill-clinton-ended-nuclear-threat-daniel-greenfield
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Yeah, that was my first thought when I heard the NKs had detonated another nuke...


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OOPS! Obama Dismissed North Korea’s Claim They Had A Hydrogen Bomb
 
Robert Gehl
January 6, 2016

Oops.

With news that North Korea has detonated a hydrogen bomb overnight, it’s a good time to flashback to less than a month ago.

On Dec. 9, North Korea made the announcement on State-run media that they had developed hydrogen bombs. Quickly the Obama Administration responded:

    WASHINGTON, Dec. 10 (Yonhap) — The White House said Thursday it doubts North Korean leader Kim Jong-un’s claims that the communist nation has developed hydrogen bombs.

    “We certainly are concerned about the policies and intent and destabilizing actions of the North Korean regime. At this point, you know, the information that we have access to calls into serious question those claims,” White House spokesman Josh Earnest said at a regular briefing of the North’s H-bomb claims.

    “But we take very seriously the risks and the threat that is posed by the North Korean regime and their ambitions to develop a nuclear weapon that doesn’t just threaten our close allies in South Korea, but could have a pretty destabilizing impact and even a national security threat to other countries in the region,” he said.

    According to Pyongyang’s state media, the North’s leader said the country has become a “powerful nuclear weapons state ready to detonate a self-reliant A-bomb and H-bomb to reliably defend its sovereignty and the dignity of the nation.”

    It was believed to be the first time that Kim has publicly mentioned the North’s development of an H-bomb, which uses more advanced technology and is considered much more powerful than conventional nuclear weapons based either on weapons-grade plutonium or highly enriched uranium.

http://downtrend.com/robertgehl/oops-obama-dismissed-north-koreas-claim-they-had-a-hydrogen-bomb
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Good afternoon. I am pleased that the United States and North Korea yesterday reached agreement on the text of a framework document on North Korea's nuclear program. This agreement will help to achieve a longstanding and vital American objective: an end to the threat of nuclear proliferation on the Korean Peninsula.

Ya'see, that's the problem with liberals. Too trusting on national security.

What did Ronaldus Maximus say about deals made with America's enemies?

Trust, but verify.

Now two successive LIBERAL presidents have made the world a more dangerous place. Thank you, Democrat party, for giving us a horn dog and a Muslim sympathizer.


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Kerry says North Korea nuclear test 'highly provocative'

By Reuters

Published: 14:11 EST, 6 January 2016 | Updated: 14:11 EST, 6 January 2016

WASHINGTON, Jan 6 (Reuters) - North Korea's nuclear test was a "highly provocative act" that threatened international peace and security, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said on Wednesday in condemning Pyongyang's fourth nuclear test.

"This highly provocative act poses a grave threat to international peace and security and blatantly violates multiple U.N. Security Council resolutions," he said in a statement.

"We do not and will not accept North Korea as a nuclear armed state, and actions such as this latest test only strengthen our resolve," he said. (Reporting by Lesley Wroughton; Editing by James Dalgleish)

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3387475/Kerry-says-North-Korea-nuclear-test-highly-provocative.html#ixzz3wVRNONGl
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If ever there were a stern warning, that was it.  :3:  I'll bet N. Korea is shaking in their boots.

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"We do not and will not accept North Korea as a nuclear armed state, and actions such as this latest test only strengthen our resolve," he said.

Well, John, they obviously are so your non-acceptance is pretty irrelevant now, isn't it?

This is pretty good, John is certain that man-made climate change is the biggest problem facing the world and he refuses to accept that North Korea is a nuclear armed state.  Visit reality much, John?
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He probably thinks reality is some city in Mexico. :thud:

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UNSC to N. Korea: Conduct Another Nuke Test and We'll 'Take Further Significant Measures'

(CNSNews.com) – Meeting urgently Wednesday to discuss Pyongyang’s latest nuclear test, the U.N. Security Council agreed that it will now “take further significant measures” against North Korea, in line with a 2013 commitment to do so in the event of another test.

That 2013 undertaking was contained in a Security Council resolution passed after North Korea’s third nuclear test, on February 12 of that year.

North Korea announced Wednesday local time that it had carried out a fourth test, claiming to have successfully detonated a miniaturized hydrogen device for the first time – a claim some experts are questioning.

Wednesday’s Security Council response came in the form of a 138-word “press statement [1]” rather than a stronger “presidential statement.”

(At the U.N., a press statement is “a declaration to the media made by the president of the Security Council on behalf of all 15 members [and] issued as a United Nations press release” while a presidential statement is “a statement made by the president of the Security Council on behalf of the Council, adopted at a formal meeting of the Council and issued as an official document of the Council.”)

The statement cited four previous Security Council resolutions adopted since North Korea’s first nuclear test in 2006 – to little effect, self-evidently – and condemned the latest test as a violation of those earlier resolutions.

Council members “recalled that they have previously expressed their determination to take ‘further significant measures’ in the event of another DPRK [Democratic People’s Republic of Korea] nuclear test, and in line with this commitment and the gravity of this violation, the members of the Security Council will begin to work immediately on such measures in a new Security Council resolution,” it said.

In a separate statement, U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Samantha Power  called the nuclear test “a highly provocative act” and one that increases the risk of nuclear proliferation.

“North Korea is the only country in the world that has tested a nuclear weapon in the 21st century – not once, but, with yesterday’s test, four times,” she said. “It is also the only country in the world that routinely threatens other U.N. member states with nuclear attacks.”

Power said the international community must impose “real consequences” and called Wednesday’s Security Council press statement an important first step.

Secretary of State John Kerry said the United States “do[es] not and will not accept North Korea as a nuclear armed state, and actions such as this latest test only strengthen our resolve.”

He pledged to work closely with other members of the U.N. Security Council and the so-called six-party mechanism, “to take appropriate action.”

The six-party group comprises the U.S., South Korea, Japan, China, Russia and North Korea itself. It was established in 2003, in response to the discovery the previous year that Pyongyang had for years been cheating on a 1994 “Agreed Framework” denuclearization deal brokered by the Clinton administration.

During the Bush administration the six governments held multiple rounds of talks between 2003 and late 2008. They stalled amid disagreements over how to verify North Korea’s compliance with its commitments to shut down its illicit nuclear programs in return for U.S. and other foreign aid and diplomatic concessions.

Despite a number of initiatives and hopeful signs, no further six-party talks have been held since President Obama took office.

The late Kim Jong-il carried out underground nuclear tests in Oct. 2006 and May 2009, and his son and successor Kim Jong-un oversaw two more in Feb. 2013 and again this week.

Parallels with Iran?

Meanwhile House Foreign Affairs Committee chairman Rep. Ed Royce (R-Calif.) was the latest member of Congress to draw links between the North Korean situation and attempts by the U.S. and others to resolve the dispute over Iran’s suspect nuclear program.

“Dictators like Kim Jong-un don’t take time outs, they take advantage when the U.S. looks away,” he said in a statement. “As Iran prepares to gain billions in sanctions relief, North Korea surely thinks it can intimidate the Obama administration into the same.”

Royce called for “more pressure, not less” on the Kim regime.

“The administration’s North Korea policy has proven a dramatic failure, and we urgently need a new approach.”

State Department spokesman John Kirby rejected any parallel between the North Korean and Iran nuclear issues.

“They’re entirely two different issues altogether,” he said during the department’s daily briefing.

“We consider the Iran deal as a completely separate issue handled in a completely different manner than were the – than was the Agreed Framework with North Korea.”

Kirby pointed out that the North Koreans have shown no interest in returning to the six-party talks. By contrast Iran, as a result of sanctions, did have an interest in negotiating, and had done so, he said.

Source URL: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/nuke-test-un-security-council-says-it-will-make-good-earlier-pledge

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So if Kim Dung-il explodes another bomb, the United Nitwits will make good on their first threat?  I'll bet they will give him 4-5 threats about "crossing the red line in the sand" then hit them with it's most frightening weapon - send Lurch to negotiate a final red line. :tongue2:

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It won't be enough to make Obama cry, so no one will pay attention.



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"We do not and will not accept North Korea as a nuclear armed state, and actions such as this latest test only strengthen our resolve," he said.
  Visit reality much, John?
   No they don't. Not at all at any time in there lives have they.


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So if Kim Dung-il explodes another bomb, the United Nitwits will make good on their first threat?  I'll bet they will give him 4-5 threats about "crossing the red line in the sand" then hit them with it's most frightening weapon - send Lurch to negotiate a final red line. :tongue2:



We all recall what happened to the UN's Hans Blix when he crossed little Kim's late papa...
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