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GOP scrambles for response on guns
« on: January 05, 2016, 08:33:42 pm »
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/264812-gop-scrambles-for-response-on-guns

 By Scott Wong and Cristina Marcos - 01/05/16 03:13 PM EST

Congressional Republicans are scrambling for a way to halt President Obama's new unilateral actions on gun control.

One powerful appropriator, Rep. John Culberson (R-Texas), has threatened to block federal funding for the Justice Department (DOJ) unless the president’s actions are reversed. But last year’s trillion-dollar spending deal already funds DOJ through September, limiting the GOP’s leverage.

The courts are another option. GOP lawmakers are expected to sue to stop Obama’s gun-control proposals from taking effect — a step they’ve taken in the past in fights over executive power. But the legal route almost certainly would result in a drawn-out process that might not be resolved until well after Obama leaves office in early 2017.

Republicans could force a showdown with Democrats sooner by trying to attach a provision rolling back the gun actions to important legislation. One option would be the Federal Aviation Administration policy bill that Congress must pass by March 31, while a second would be legislation to ease Puerto Rico’s debt crisis.

Several House Republicans are expected to introduce legislation to combat the executive actions in the coming days, though Obama certainly would veto such bills.

Faced with limited options, the GOP’s strategy is likely to be a multi-pronged approach that attacks Obama’s actions on several fronts, sources said.

“We will be using every tool in the tool kit to stop him,” said one senior Republican lawmaker who is close to leadership. "All options are on the table.”

Surrounded by gun-violence victims and gun-control advocates, Obama on Tuesday unveiled a package of executive actions that calls for expanding background checks, hiring more FBI staff to process background checks for gun sales, and requiring dealers to notify law federal authorities if guns they ship are lost in transit during sales.

But two pieces of Obama’s plan would need buy-in from Congress in the next spending bill: providing an additional $500 million for mental health services and funding for 200 new agents at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

As Obama laid out his proposal at the White House, Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and his GOP leadership team were huddling in Annapolis, Md., plotting out the legislative agenda for 2016. Ideas to counter Obama’s actions on guns were discussed during the meetings, though no final decisions were made, sources said.

Privately, some GOP lawmakers said they didn’t think Obama’s actions on guns amount to much. “Frankly, our initial review of the president’s orders is there is not a lot of substance there,” said one Republican who requested anonymity.

But the lawmaker said party leaders are under enormous pressure from the National Rifle Association and other gun-rights activists to take a stand against Obama.

In a statement, Ryan, a gun owner and avid deer hunter, blasted Obama’s executive actions, calling them “a form of intimidation that undermines liberty” and violates the Second Amendment. The Speaker vowed that Congress would “conduct vigilant oversight” and predicted Obama’s actions would “no doubt be challenged in the courts.”

Still, Ryan acknowledged that electing a GOP president this fall would be the easiest way to reverse Obama’s actions.

“Ultimately, everything the president has done can be overturned by a Republican president,” Ryan said, “which is another reason we must win in November.”

Republicans on Tuesday repeatedly pointed to legislative efforts to reform the nation’s mental health system as the best way to help reduce mass shootings.

A bill by Rep. Tim Murphy (R-Pa.) includes proposals such as creating an assistant secretary for mental health and increasing the number of available psychiatric hospital beds.

But the measure has moved slowly through the committee process since it was introduced in June. Murphy took to the House floor last month to plead for a vote on his legislation.

“This chamber has to stop postponing action on reforming our mental health system and bring to the floor H.R. 2646,” Murphy said. “At some point, if we are serious about helping those with serious mental illness, we have to bring it for action.”

Republicans are also eyeing new legislation to halt the president’s actions. In a subdued statement, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) said that his panel will “closely monitor the Administration’s actions and consider whether legislation is needed to further protect Americans’ constitutional rights.”

Goodlatte has come under fire for not doing more to curb guns in the wake of an incident near his district where a female reporter and a cameraman were fatally shot during a live TV broadcast. Vice President Biden will be appearing Wednesday for an interview about Obama’s gun actions on that same station.

Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-Ind.), who is running for Senate, plans to introduce a bill on Tuesday that would nullify any executive actions that undermine congressional authority or the Second Amendment. It would also block funds to implement said executive actions and establish legal standing for Congress or local governments to issue a court challenge.

One GOP presidential candidate, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), introduced identical legislation last month.

Republicans have had success with lawsuits against the president. Obama’s post-midterm election executive actions to halt deportations for millions of illegal immigrants have stalled in the courts over the last year.

A federal judge also ruled late last year that Republicans could move forward with their lawsuit against the president regarding implementation of ObamaCare. 

And in 2014, the Supreme Court ruled unanimously that Obama had exceeded his authority by filling several vacancies to the National Labor Relations Board during a congressional recess; Senate Republicans had sued to overturn the appointments.

Asked about Culberson’s funding threats, a spokeswoman for House Appropriations Chairman Hal Rogers (R-Ky.) would only say that the full panel “will take a careful look at the funding as we move forward with the next budget cycle.”

But Rep. Robert Aderholt (R-Ala.), who like Culberson chairs an Appropriations subcommittee, gave a full-throated endorsement to his colleague’s defunding efforts, according to Aderholt spokesman Brian Rell.

Aderholt expects House Republicans will sue Obama over the gun actions, but also plans to phone Alabama Attorney General Luther Strange to see if he’s interested in filing a state-based lawsuit against Obama, similar to the one Texas and 25 other states filed against the president to stop his immigration actions.   

“This would be executive overreach Round 2, but for gun control,” Rell said.
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Re: GOP scrambles for response on guns
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2016, 08:39:12 pm »
Still, Ryan acknowledged that electing a GOP president this fall would be the easiest way to reverse Obama’s actions.

“Ultimately, everything the president has done can be overturned by a Republican president,” Ryan said, “which is another reason we must win in November.”


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Re: GOP scrambles for response on guns
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2016, 08:55:10 pm »
Scrambles?................................... pure BS. they have known for years he would do this.
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Re: GOP scrambles for response on guns
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2016, 09:31:34 pm »

So why do we have a Congress in this form of government?

To pretend to make the laws that the executive pretends to enforce and the judiciary pretends to properly interpret.
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Re: GOP scrambles for response on guns
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2016, 10:05:26 pm »
Title:
"GOP scrambles for response on guns..."

The "response" should be simple:
"NO!"

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Re: GOP scrambles for response on guns
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2016, 10:12:43 pm »
"Privately, some GOP lawmakers said they didn’t think Obama’s actions on guns amount to much. “Frankly, our initial review of the president’s orders is there is not a lot of substance there,” said one Republican who requested anonymity.

But the lawmaker said party leaders are under enormous pressure from the National Rifle Association and other gun-rights activists to take a stand against Obama."

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Re: GOP scrambles for response on guns
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2016, 10:17:14 pm »
Scrambles?................................... pure BS. they have known for years he would do this.   :word:

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Re: GOP scrambles for response on guns
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2016, 10:19:27 pm »
Scrambles?................................... pure BS. they have known for years he would do this.   :word:

That was my thought!  They're just now thinking about it?  What the heck do they do anyway?

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Re: GOP scrambles for response on guns
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2016, 10:29:24 pm »
you want a response:
The president and the dems refuse to take responsibility for their failed policies that have nearly destroyed our culture and turned many cities into violent sanctuaries. Instead they have to distract the citizens with a false boogie man in the form of 100 million responsible and law abiding gun owners

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Re: GOP scrambles for response on guns
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2016, 10:30:49 pm »
you want a response:
The president and the dems refuse to take responsibility for their failed policies that have nearly destroyed our culture and turned many cities into violent sanctuaries. Instead they have to distract the citizens with a false boogie man in the form of 100 million responsible and law abiding gun owners

Great response.

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Re: GOP scrambles for response on guns
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2016, 10:52:16 pm »
I was trapped in one of my doctors' waiting rooms when Pinocchio hit the podium. Why scramble? He lied his little skinny ass off. Just show what he said. Show how he lied. then tell him to go f*ck himself
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Re: GOP scrambles for response on guns
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2016, 01:21:34 am »
Except ... "Executive orders are subject to judicial review, and may be struck down if deemed by the courts to be unsupported by statute or the Constitution".  I think Hussein wants to be challenged on this by the GOP.  I think he wants this to go before the courts.  Keep in mind he has checked with his legal advisors, Lynch, etc. IF the courts rule in his favor or if this goes all the way to the Supremes and they rule in his favor, it is not only a huge victory for Hessein but for all the anti-gun groups, and the DEMS and a huge blow to the GOP and every gun owner and pro gun groups.

SCOTUS in the past handed Hussein a huge victory with Obamacare, gay rights and I am not at all confident that they would rule against him on this one either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order
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Re: GOP scrambles for response on guns
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2016, 01:46:02 am »
forget the courts. Take it to the streets

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Re: GOP scrambles for response on guns
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2016, 04:38:16 am »
What the heck do they do anyway?

(1) Follow the orders of the establishment GOP so they can plunder as much tax money as they can for their district (and thus get reelected).

(2) Address complaints and inquiries from their constituents about the behavior of the federal agencies they created and fund.

(3) Issue press releases decrying federal policies and spending they tacitly support under #1 & #2.
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Re: GOP scrambles for response on guns
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2016, 04:44:48 am »
Still, Ryan acknowledged that electing a GOP president this fall would be the easiest way to reverse Obama’s actions.

“Ultimately, everything the president has done can be overturned by a Republican president,” Ryan said, “which is another reason we must win in November.”


So why do we have a Congress in this form of government?

for the same reason we have an executive and judicial branch. It's all part of the dog and pony show performance for the peons to establish their legitimacy.

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Re: GOP scrambles for response on guns
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2016, 01:14:48 pm »
Ryan is correct we need to elect a REPUBLICAN so that executive orders can be (not would be) overturned.  The key word here is REPUBLICAN;  NOT a Republican In Name Only such as Ryan.  By his statement it is quite clear that they intend to do NOTHING which will hand Hillary the White House, then what?
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Re: GOP scrambles for response on guns
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2016, 01:19:03 pm »
forget the courts. Take it to the streets

Another scenario that Hussein is hoping for.  Unrest in the streets gives him the perfect excuse to declare martial law and suspending the upcoming election.

Every Tom, Dick and Harry in Congress knew that this was going to happen.  They had a chance to impeach him and they sat on their thumbs and did nothing.  They come up with every excuse not to and here we sit.
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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2016, 03:41:17 pm »
(1) Follow the orders of the establishment GOP so they can plunder as much tax money as they can for their district (and thus get reelected).

(2) Address complaints and inquiries from their constituents about the behavior of the federal agencies they created and fund.

(3) Issue press releases decrying federal policies and spending they tacitly support under #1 & #2.

Exactly!

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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2016, 07:59:20 pm »
Still, Ryan acknowledged that electing a GOP president this fall would be the easiest way to reverse Obama’s actions.

“Ultimately, everything the president has done can be overturned by a Republican president,” Ryan said, “which is another reason we must win in November.”


So why do we have a Congress in this form of government?

We have to have somewhere for all our lawyers to go and get rich.