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Why can't we have a parliamentary system?
« on: December 31, 2015, 08:45:12 pm »
I'm sick and tired of this 2 party system. I'm on the Far-Right, but I'm sure all of you moderat guys agree with me. The GOP and Dem parties don't represent the people. They represent themselves. If we had a parliamentary system, you'd get people from the Far-Rught, the Far-Left, and you'd get some in the middle. Ideally, there would be 4 parties.
1. Far-Right( ultra-conservative party for people like me)
2. Far-Left Progressive ( a true Socialist/Communist party)
3. Moderate( a true Centrist party)
4. Libertarian( a party for Libertarians)
I'd also like to see the U.S. become a lot more regional. If we had a parliamentary system, here's what I think the U.S would look like
1. Far-Right ultra-conservatives control the South
2. Far-Left Socialists/Communists controls the West Coast
3. Moderate Centrists control the Northeast
4. Libertarians control the Midwest
The federal government would have very little power. There would be a low National Sales Tax to fund  essentials like defense. The regions( and states within the regions) can handle things like education and commerce.
I think this would be a much better system than what we have now.
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Re: Why can't we have a parliamentary system?
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2015, 08:56:39 pm »
Our system is one that has been a natural progression of voters. There is nothing written into law or statute that says we are a two party system, we have just evolved that way based on human nature, the desire for simple duality (man/woman, black/white, right/left, good/evil).

Parliamentary systems have merit, but the big problem is they force representation through the actual parties instead of representatives. This often results in referendums going against the will over the voters because those at the top simply manipulate the parties to their favor instead of a single representative being accountable to his or her constituents. 

IE, the Parliamentary system is not the solution to the woes of the so-called two-party system, just the opposite, it exasperates it; it takes more out of the people's hands and puts them into the hands of the business of parties.

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Re: Why can't we have a parliamentary system?
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2015, 09:13:28 pm »
AbarAxas.
Maybe a parliamentary system isn't the best. But don't you agree with me when I say the U.S. should become more regional?
Do you agree with what I think it should look like?
Far Right- South
Far Left Socialist- West Coast
Moderate Centrist- Northeast
Libertarian- Midwest
I'm not sure what word best describes a system like this.
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Re: Why can't we have a parliamentary system?
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2015, 09:38:49 pm »
AbarAxas.
Maybe a parliamentary system isn't the best. But don't you agree with me when I say the U.S. should become more regional?
Do you agree with what I think it should look like?
Far Right- South
Far Left Socialist- West Coast
Moderate Centrist- Northeast
Libertarian- Midwest
I'm not sure what word best describes a system like this.

We are already federalist, bottom up, so the foundation is based first on local governments > state > federal representative > federal senate > executive, with what should be the most power given at the 'closest to home' governance.  (albeit this is slipping away).  The problem with a regional layer in there is it does take away from the local control and it really isn't a true representation. Take California for example. If you remove the top 4 major metropolitan centers, the State itself is very Conservative.  Making a more regionalized system gives far more power to high population metropolitan areas and takes representation away from rural areas. In California, you have representatives in Congress who are very liberal, representing San Francisco, and you have representatives who are very Conservative, representing the people of Clovis or Redding. Each of those representative's vote holds the same weight so even though the San Francisco rep is covering a much higher population, the Clovis/Redding rep still has a say.

This same argument is also used when discussing keeping the electoral system versus direct voting for President.

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Re: Why can't we have a parliamentary system?
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2015, 09:58:13 pm »
Well in my system, all conservatives would move to the conservative region, and all Libs would move to the Liberal region. I'm tired of fighting the Left. I'm only 16, and I've already had enough. I can't take this every 4 years. Under my system, the South would be conservative paradise, the West Coast Liberal paradise, the Northeast moderate paradise, and the Midwest Libertarian paradise. Whatever you think of my system, I think you'd be foolish to say it wouldn't be better than what we have now.

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Re: Why can't we have a parliamentary system?
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2016, 05:48:51 pm »
Well in my system, all conservatives would move to the conservative region, and all Libs would move to the Liberal region. I'm tired of fighting the Left. I'm only 16, and I've already had enough. I can't take this every 4 years. Under my system, the South would be conservative paradise, the West Coast Liberal paradise, the Northeast moderate paradise, and the Midwest Libertarian paradise. Whatever you think of my system, I think you'd be foolish to say it wouldn't be better than what we have now. 

Is there a Federal government in your paradise?

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Re: Why can't we have a parliamentary system?
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2016, 06:56:16 pm »
Well in my system, all conservatives would move to the conservative region, and all Libs would move to the Liberal region. I'm tired of fighting the Left. I'm only 16, and I've already had enough. I can't take this every 4 years. Under my system, the South would be conservative paradise, the West Coast Liberal paradise, the Northeast moderate paradise, and the Midwest Libertarian paradise. Whatever you think of my system, I think you'd be foolish to say it wouldn't be better than what we have now.

I'll say it. It wouldn't be better than what we have now. Besides the fact that it involves uprooting tens of millions, if not more, of families and separating communities, it removes general group checks and balances within society and you could have run-away authoritarianism in all areas as more and more, demand for ideological purity is enforced. You can't even get 10 Conservatives (or Libertarians, or Liberals) to completely agree on what that means, let alone enough that you regionalised said belief systems.

The other thing is that what you are describing simply is a fantastical pipe dream. Unless enacted by force (which the implementation of would be just as impossible), human nature is we won't uproot our families or our communities to join people who happen to have the same political philosophy.

Politics also isn't the only thing that divides us. What about religious differences? What about differences in climate preference? What about just not wanting to be around like minded people all the time?  Challenges to our belief systems is what makes us grow. Constant differences around us making us adapt to how we interact is part of human (and all of nature) evolution.

It seems you've gotten to the point where your world revolves around politics, which is understandable because politics gets into everything. But that also gets you in the trap that government, of any sort, is the be-all, end-all. You are giving it too much power. The more we stop looking for any centralized, government based solution, be it Conservative, Liberal, or Libertarian, or anything else, the better off we'll be.

Too many people stopped living their life as if politics isn't important- which is exactly what the political class wants.

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Re: Why can't we have a parliamentary system?
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2016, 08:53:35 pm »
Well ok. If Hillary wins, my only choice will be to movw out of the U.S. I'm not living here with her in the WH.

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Re: Why can't we have a parliamentary system?
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2016, 09:12:42 pm »
Well ok. If Hillary wins, my only choice will be to movw out of the U.S. I'm not living here with her in the WH.

Or just live your life and stop letting what happens in DC impact you emotionally. Live as a free man, not bound to whims. Make changes where you can, but don't give anyone in DC that much power over you that you'll react in such a way.

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Re: Why can't we have a parliamentary system?
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2016, 10:10:39 pm »
I'm sick and tired of this 2 party system. I'm on the Far-Right, but I'm sure all of you moderat guys agree with me. The GOP and Dem parties don't represent the people. They represent themselves. If we had a parliamentary system, you'd get people from the Far-Rught, the Far-Left, and you'd get some in the middle. Ideally, there would be 4 parties.
1. Far-Right( ultra-conservative party for people like me)
2. Far-Left Progressive ( a true Socialist/Communist party)
3. Moderate( a true Centrist party)
4. Libertarian( a party for Libertarians)
I'd also like to see the U.S. become a lot more regional. If we had a parliamentary system, here's what I think the U.S would look like
1. Far-Right ultra-conservatives control the South
2. Far-Left Socialists/Communists controls the West Coast
3. Moderate Centrists control the Northeast
4. Libertarians control the Midwest
The federal government would have very little power. There would be a low National Sales Tax to fund  essentials like defense. The regions( and states within the regions) can handle things like education and commerce.
I think this would be a much better system than what we have now.
The states which have voted the MOST conservative are located in the West. Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Kansas, Nebraska, etc.
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Re: Why can't we have a parliamentary system?
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2016, 10:17:21 pm »
Well in my system, all conservatives would move to the conservative region, and all Libs would move to the Liberal region. I'm tired of fighting the Left. I'm only 16, and I've already had enough. I can't take this every 4 years. Under my system, the South would be conservative paradise, the West Coast Liberal paradise, the Northeast moderate paradise, and the Midwest Libertarian paradise. Whatever you think of my system, I think you'd be foolish to say it wouldn't be better than what we have now.
You are still on your first set of tires. Wait until you've been around the block a few times. Have you even been to the West Coast?

For decades people came west for economic reasons, beginning in the 1830s. Oregon Trail, Mormon Trail, California Trail, Gold Rush, Silver Rush, railroads, etc. WWII brought many military people to the West Coast and they liked what they saw, came back after the War for jobs, prosperity, weather.

People move for various reasons, but I submit political rearrangement is among the least common, historically.
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Re: Why can't we have a parliamentary system?
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2016, 10:19:31 pm »
Is there a Federal government in your paradise?

There is in mine.  Small, limited to those functions that have been defined by a Constitution.

So small that we don't feel the need to discuss politics very often.  In fact, politics regarding the federal government become almost a non-issue except in election season.

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Re: Why can't we have a parliamentary system?
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2016, 10:52:53 pm »
There is in mine.  Small, limited to those functions that have been defined by a Constitution.

So small that we don't feel the need to discuss politics very often.  In fact, politics regarding the federal government become almost a non-issue except in election season.

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Re: Why can't we have a parliamentary system?
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2016, 07:13:21 am »
Or just live your life and stop letting what happens in DC impact you emotionally. Live as a free man, not bound to whims. Make changes where you can, but don't give anyone in DC that much power over you that you'll react in such a way.

I'm not paying 50% of my income in taxes. That's not freedom. Taking any more than 10% of a persons income is THEFT!

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Re: Why can't we have a parliamentary system?
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2016, 05:58:44 pm »
I'm not paying 50% of my income in taxes. That's not freedom. Taking any more than 10% of a persons income is THEFT!

Then financially position yourself where you don't have to until you can do your part to make a change (such as running for office). I've known two people who have successfully run for local office at 18 and did well.

Financially, it is possible to use the system to your advantage legally.  Just saying 'your not' is not a strategic plan.

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Re: Why can't we have a parliamentary system?
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2016, 04:01:30 am »
Then financially position yourself where you don't have to until you can do your part to make a change (such as running for office). I've known two people who have successfully run for local office at 18 and did well.

Financially, it is possible to use the system to your advantage legally.  Just saying 'your not' is not a strategic plan.

How do I financially position myself to do this? I'm planning on being a corporate lawyer in Dallas( while also serving in lower government positions like city council or State House) , and then running for Congress. Of course, there's a great chance that Hillary will lose.( if Cruz is the nominee, I believe she will) If that happens, I won't have to worry about taxes.