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Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« on: December 30, 2015, 02:14:26 pm »
http://www.nationalreview.com/node/429088/print

 Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative
By Jim Geraghty — December 29, 2015

It is now axiomatic that Marco Rubio is the “establishment” favorite in the 2016 Republican primaries, due for a collision with a conservative alternative such as Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, or Ben Carson.

But if Rubio really represents the new GOP “establishment,” then the fight is over and the conservatives won. Despite infuriating many grassroots conservatives by pushing the failed Gang of Eight immigration-reform bill and advocating a path to legalization, Rubio has an indisputably conservative record as a senator.

This is a man who has a lifetime ACU rating of 98 out of 100. A man who has a perfect rating from the NRA in the U.S. Senate. A man who earned scores of 100 in 2014, 100 in 2013, 71 in 2012, and 100 in 2011 from the Family Research Council. A “Taxpayer Super Hero” with a lifetime rating of 95 from Citizens Against Government Waste. A man Club for Growth president David McIntosh called “a complete pro-growth, free-market, limited-government conservative.”

Across the board, Rubio’s stances, policy proposals, and rhetoric fall squarely within the bounds of traditional conservatism.

Rubio’s the guy who earned a 100 from National Right to Life in two straight cycles, and a zero rating from NARAL. He supports an abortion ban after 20 weeks, opposes exceptions for rape and incest (although he’s voted for legislation that includes those exceptions), and opposes embryonic stem-cell research. In the first Republican debate he declared, “Future generations will look back at this history of our country and call us barbarians for murdering millions of babies who we never gave them a chance to live.”

Rubio opposes gay marriage and has said that “we are at the water’s edge of the argument that mainstream Christian teaching is hate speech. Today we’ve reached the point in our society where if you do not support same-sex marriage you are labeled a homophobe and a hater.” He recorded robo-calls for the National Organization for Marriage.

Since 2010, Rubio has proposed freezing government spending for everything but defense and veterans’ care at 2008 levels. He supports a balanced-budget amendment to the Constitution and the line-item veto. He voted against funding for the Export-Import Bank, even though Florida receives the second-largest amount of money from the bank.

His initial tax-reform plan, co-authored with Utah senator Mike Lee, cuts the corporate tax rate to 25 percent and would reduce the current seven brackets to two: a 15 percent rate for individuals and a 35 percent rate for families. (Rubio later adjusted it to create a 25 percent tax bracket for couples making between $150,000 and $300,000.) It creates a new $2,500-per-child tax credit. Conservatives disagree about the best way to simplify the tax code and reduce the tax burden on Americans, but it’s hard to dispute that changes such as these would move the system in the right direction.

He wants to create a tax credit for companies that donate to nonprofits that give K–12 tuition scholarships to poor students. In 2013, he declared that Common Core “is increasingly being used by the Obama Administration to turn the Department of Education into what is effectively a national school board.” He thinks children should be taught both theistic creation and evolution.

On Obamacare, Rubio was the one who made the risk-corridor insurer bailout an issue, starting in 2013, which led to Congress’s enacting limits on how much taxpayer money insurers could be given to cover losses related to the newly insured. Insurance companies that spent small fortunes lobbying for the bill and fighting its opponents are now griping that they’re getting a bad deal and the law may eventually become unworkable for them. If Obamacare is eventually replaced, Rubio will have played a big role in making it happen.

He’s got the guts for entitlement reform, too. He wants to raise the retirement age for those under 55, change the benefit calculation for wealthy seniors who do not rely on Social Security, and eliminate the Social Security payroll tax after retirement age to encourage older Americans to stay in the workforce. He wants to open federal workers’ Thrift Savings Program to all Americans.

Rubio opposes raising the minimum wage, contending it would only encourage employers to search for new technological solutions to replace American workers; he contends the legislative efforts to fight climate change are economically self-destructive and expresses skepticism that human behavior is driving climate change. In the Florida senate, he won bipartisan support for a law restricting the state’s authority to seize private property after the Kelo v. New London decision.

While conservatives disagree on how much military interventionism is needed in a dangerous world, Rubio’s foreign-policy stances are of a piece with the party’s recent history. In May, Rush Limbaugh said Rubio “shows up on the Council on Foreign Relations and literally ran rings around everybody, including Jeb Bush.” The Wall Street Journal editorial board called him “one of his party’s most visible and best-informed critics of President Obama’s foreign policy in Ukraine, Iran, and a Middle East beset by Islamic State.” He’s called for a $1 trillion expansion of the defense budget.

On that passion-stirring issue of immigration, right-wing opposition to the Gang of Eight bill was well-founded. Rubio deserves every bit of grief he’s getting for ruling out a path to citizenship in 2010, and then supporting a bill that would have created such a path in 2013. But it’s rewriting history to call Rubio a squish on border security or an advocate for an “open border,” as Rand Paul has charged.

Representative Mo Brooks (R., Ala.) contends Rubio “led the effort to open the floodgates.” But the Florida senator has always agreed with calls for greater border security. While the Gang of Eight bill was still making its way through Congress, Rubio argued that it should be amended to include specific enforcement procedures preventing another influx of illegal immigrants. He helped negotiate an adopted amendment that would have roughly doubled the border-patrol force to 40,000 agents while completing 700 miles of fence on the nation’s southern border.

The Democrat-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee rejected numerous amendments that would have improved the bill and assured skeptics that the border-security provisions were more than just window-dressing. Rubio applauded the amendments that passed, which aimed to make border-fencing requirements more specific, allow DHS to more vigorously track, pursue, and remove persons who overstay their visas, and require updates on the implementation of E-Verify. Conservatives can argue whether the enforcement provisions were enough, but that doesn’t make Rubio an open-borders advocate.

Why do so many people see Rubio as some sort of squishy moderate if his voting record and proposals are so thoroughly conservative?

Peter Beinart argues that the Florida senator uses a warm, empathetic tone to promote conservative policies: “Rubio has mastered the same technique Barack Obama used so effectively when he was seeking the presidency,” Beinart writes. “When faced with a controversial issue, he doffs his cap to the other side, pleads for civility and respect, insists that it’s a hard call — and then comes out exactly where you’d expect him to come out.”

Judging from the number of people calling Rubio a RINO, squish, establishment, etc., perhaps Rubio is a victim of his own golden tongue. If the perception that Rubio is too moderate costs him the GOP nomination, it will reveal a great deal about what defines a conservative in 2016. Sadly, the label no longer has much to do with actual policy positions, ideas, or governing philosophies.

If Rubio is no longer conservative, then conservatism is now primarily a matter of aesthetics.
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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2015, 02:27:48 pm »
Yes he is except on immigration. If he gets the nomination I will vote for him, but not until then.
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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2015, 02:39:02 pm »
Yes he is except on immigration. If he gets the nomination I will vote for him, but not until then.

That doesn't matter a bit to some around here.  Of course, Rubio is conservative on most things.  The hatred for him is unwarranted.
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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2015, 03:36:04 pm »
Yes he is except on immigration. If he gets the nomination I will vote for him, but not until then.

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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2015, 04:11:44 pm »
Yes he is except on immigration. If he gets the nomination I will vote for him, but not until then.

yes, he says all the right words out on the campaign trail and takes all the right positions when stumping for votes then goes to DC and dodes nothing but rubber stamp the Obama/Clinton agenda.

 So, by the DC GOPe standard he is "Conservative". Too bad for Brave Brave Sir Rubio, and the rest of the GOPE DC machine,  the standards of the American Voters are some what different then theirs.

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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2015, 04:14:48 pm »
yes, he says all the right words out on the campaign trail and takes all the right positions when stumping for votes then goes to DC and dodes nothing but rubber stamp the Obama/Clinton agenda.

 So, by the DC GOPe standard he is "Conservative". Too bad for Brave Brave Sir Rubio, and the rest of the GOPE DC machine,  the standards of the American Voters are some what different then theirs.

Excuse me, but by ANY standard your candidate is not conservative.......

Rubio is conservative in multiple areas, and has a record of being so.  Your guy does not.
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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2015, 04:18:03 pm »
I'm sorry but actions speak louder then words. Rubio's promising to fight the Omnibus Spending bill with every possible procedural tool on Wed and then no showing for the vote on Friday invalidate any of these efforts to white wash his record by the GOPE media.

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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2015, 04:23:11 pm »
yes, he says all the right words out on the campaign trail and takes all the right positions when stumping for votes then goes to DC and dodes nothing but rubber stamp the Obama/Clinton agenda.

 So, by the DC GOPe standard he is "Conservative". Too bad for Brave Brave Sir Rubio, and the rest of the GOPE DC machine,  the standards of the American Voters are some what different then theirs.


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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2015, 04:43:31 pm »
I'm sorry but actions speak louder then words.

You are right. They do.

Rubio's lifetime ACU rating is 98 out of 100. Reasonably impressive ACTIONS. Pick a different paintbrush.

Still don't like him though - his far too frequent missed votes are the deal killer for me.
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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2015, 05:03:48 pm »
Rubio's lifetime ACU rating is 98 out of 100

Actually might want to read how that standard is set by the ACU. The ACU number is meaningless. It is not based on voting alone. It is also based on publicly supporting an ACU position. So you can get a high ACU number just by speaking the right talking points.

Rubio needs to be judged on his actions, not just his words.

http://acuratings.conservative.org/acu-federal-legislative-ratings/?year1=2014&chamber=13&state1=22&sortable=2

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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2015, 05:53:11 pm »
I may be one of just a few, to observe how ridiculous "conservatives" appear, arguing over a guy with a rating of 98, and claiming he is not conservative.

By their standards, every elected Republican President since WWII is NOT a conservative, is a "rino" and that includes Reagan, since he pushed amnesty, too.

If you give a pass to Reagan over amnesty, then you should give a pass to Rubio for performing a role at a point in time.

But they won't, because intellectual honesty and philosophical consistency are not major elements of contemporary conservatism, plain and simple.

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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2015, 05:54:56 pm »
And all of Rubio's + are VOTES. Not announcements (well, there is ONE in 2014).

So, actions. There is a decent record of them and they are Conservative, by the ACU's lights at least. So by that criteria, you should be seriously considering him.

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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2015, 06:13:54 pm »
I may be one of just a few, to observe how ridiculous "conservatives" appear, arguing over a guy with a rating of 98, and claiming he is not conservative.

By their standards, every elected Republican President since WWI is NOT a conservative, is a "rino" and that includes Reagan, since he pushed amnesty, too.

If you give a pass to Reagan over amnesty, then you should give a pass to Rubio for performing a role at a point in time.

But they won't, because intellectual honesty and philosophical consistency are not major elements of contemporary conservatism, plain and simple.

The puzzle piece you're missing is the biggest piece on the board, it's: THE BIG PICTURE.

If you're happy with America as it is, rather than what it should and could be, well then Rubio is your establishment guy. By all means, support him, vote for him.

But, if you are dismayed by the direction America has taken since Reagan, and the lack of any discernible push-back from republicans against leftist bullying, then Rubio is just more business-as-usual and unacceptable to most conservative/libertarian minded Americans.

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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2015, 06:38:55 pm »
The puzzle piece you're missing is the biggest piece on the board, it's: THE BIG PICTURE.

If you're happy with America as it is, rather than what it should and could be, well then Rubio is your establishment guy. By all means, support him, vote for him.

But, if you are dismayed by the direction America has taken since Reagan, and the lack of any discernible push-back from republicans against leftist bullying, then Rubio is just more business-as-usual and unacceptable to most conservative/libertarian minded Americans.

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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2015, 06:55:07 pm »
The puzzle piece you're missing is the biggest piece on the board, it's: THE BIG PICTURE.

If you're happy with America as it is, rather than what it should and could be, well then Rubio is your establishment guy. By all means, support him, vote for him.

But, if you are dismayed by the direction America has taken since Reagan, and the lack of any discernible push-back from republicans against leftist bullying, then Rubio is just more business-as-usual and unacceptable to most conservative/libertarian minded Americans.

Can you prove either of those speculative statements, aligncare?  It seems you are stating them as fact rather than opinion.

Are you?  And if they are fact, can you back them up with proof?
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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2015, 06:59:39 pm »
Rubio's lifetime ACU rating is 98 out of 100

Actually might want to read how that standard is set by the ACU. The ACU number is meaningless. It is not based on voting alone. It is also based on publicly supporting an ACU position. So you can get a high ACU number just by speaking the right talking points.

Rubio needs to be judged on his actions, not just his words.

http://acuratings.conservative.org/acu-federal-legislative-ratings/?year1=2014&chamber=13&state1=22&sortable=2

Votes = Action, not words

And again, you are supporting a candidate who has nothing but words which oppose his words/positions just a few years ago.

How is that better?

My point here is that anyone supporting Trump cannot dismiss Rubio because he's not conservative enough.  Rubio's record of action is much stronger than Trump's, and yet you don't ever challenge him.  Please be consistent.
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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2015, 07:04:51 pm »
I may be one of just a few, to observe how ridiculous "conservatives" appear, arguing over a guy with a rating of 98, and claiming he is not conservative.

By their standards, every elected Republican President since WWII is NOT a conservative, is a "rino" and that includes Reagan, since he pushed amnesty, too.

If you give a pass to Reagan over amnesty, then you should give a pass to Rubio for performing a role at a point in time.

But they won't, because intellectual honesty and philosophical consistency are not major elements of contemporary conservatism, plain and simple.

While I agree with most of your post, I disagree with your generalization of "contemporary conservatism."

Many of us have been philosophically consistent for decades, and continue to argue consistently against the barrage of inconsistency surrounding us.
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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2015, 07:13:50 pm »
The puzzle piece you're missing is the biggest piece on the board, it's: THE BIG PICTURE.

If you're happy with America as it is, rather than what it should and could be, well then Rubio is your establishment guy. By all means, support him, vote for him.

But, if you are dismayed by the direction America has taken since Reagan, and the lack of any discernible push-back from republicans against leftist bullying, then Rubio is just more business-as-usual and unacceptable to most conservative/libertarian minded Americans.
Then let us address the even BIGGER PICTURE. In the latest survey early this month, Gallup found 27% of those surveyed identified as "Republican."

People outside this self-identifying subset, do NOT think, act, vote like dedicated Republicans/conservatives. A lot of what Republicans/conservatives think, act and vote is ridiculous to them.

Yet Republicans need votes from some of them, although to hear that FACT discussed on forums is rare. VERY RARE.

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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2015, 07:32:07 pm »
Yes he is except on immigration. If he gets the nomination I will vote for him, but not until then.

He's conservative, when he shows up to work, and the donor class lets him be conservative.
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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2015, 08:16:06 pm »
Plenty Conservative?  What does that mean? He is 50% or more conservative?

Oxfords defines "Conservative" as "adverse to change or innovation"... Just do the same old stuff?
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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2015, 08:33:34 pm »
That doesn't matter a bit to some around here.  Of course, Rubio is conservative on most things.  The hatred for him is unwarranted.

Ah...it's "disagreement", ML, not "hatred". 
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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2015, 08:34:56 pm »
He's conservative, when he shows up to work, and the donor class lets him be conservative.

Two good points.

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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2015, 08:41:56 pm »
Ah...it's "disagreement", ML, not "hatred".

Yeah............. right..............

Have you read any posts about Rubio on this forum lately?   **nononono*
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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2015, 08:51:10 pm »
Yeah............. right..............

Have you read any posts about Rubio on this forum lately?   **nononono*

Yup.  Stand by my original statement regarding Rubio.

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Re: Marco Rubio Is Plenty Conservative... By Jim Geraghty
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2015, 08:53:44 pm »
Yup.  Stand by my original statement regarding Rubio.

What original statement?

(Hey.......... if we can be called 'haters' for saying Trump lacks integrity, then people who call Rubio a pile of $hit can be called haters too.  Or is a double standard hard at work here?)
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