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Trump’s fans are excited to rally — but they’re not sure they’ll show up to vote

By Jenna Johnson

December 26 at 6:37 PM 

DES MOINES — When Donald Trump held one of his boisterous rallies at the state fairgrounds this month, Bonnie and Randy Reynolds arrived two hours early to make sure they could snag seats. They bought “Make America Great Again” hats, put on campaign T-shirts and passed through a security checkpoint.

The West Des Moines couple, who have two grown children, had never been to a political event before. Bonnie works in a mailroom; Randy is a press operator. They don’t live paycheck to paycheck, but it would take just one small catastrophe to push them there.

“In the end, everything that he’s saying might not happen if he is elected — but I’m willing to give it a shot,” said Randy Reynolds, 49, who used to vote for Democrats but switched to Republicans a decade ago. “I will give him 100 percent. . . . It would be amazing if the majority of things that he said would actually happen. That would be amazing.”

So, obviously, the couple plan to caucus for Trump on Feb. 1?

“We’re going to see,” Reynolds said. “With kids and grandkids and all this, it’s kind of hectic. . . . We’ll look into it. If our time is available, then yeah, maybe we’ll do it. Maybe. We’ll have to see.”

Trump’s unexpected and sustained popularity has, at least in part, been fueled by his appeal to a voting bloc that seems to be emerging: blue-collar workers without college degrees who are slightly younger than the traditional Republican voter. Many say they haven’t cared about politics until now, as they flock to Trump rallies like groupies to a rock concert, read his books, buy his products, quote his jokes and follow his social-media accounts.

But is their devotion to Trump deep enough to vote?

For those who don’t regularly vote in primaries, doing so for the first time is a hurdle — especially in Iowa, which uses a caucus system that can intimidate first-timers.

In states with early primary contests, Trump’s staffers are trying to teach their supporters how to vote and get a commitment that they actually will. Before each rally here, Trump’s state co-chairs walk the crowd through how the caucuses work and urge them to attend. But they are also hoping word will spread through social media and in conversations after church, at the school bus stop, during coffee breaks and over holiday dinners.

Bonnie Reynolds, 47, said she didn’t know much about caucusing until her co-worker explained it to her and encouraged her to get involved. When the couple showed up at Trump’s rally on Dec. 11, a campaign volunteer asked them to sign a sheet committing to caucusing. Reynolds signed them up, although she’s not sure whether she will follow through.

In the past few weeks, Trump himself has started talking about the importance of voting in early states. At a rally in western Iowa in early December, Trump said there’s no excuse not to vote.

“You’ve got to get there,” he said. “Even if you’re not feeling good, if you’re feeling horrible, if you had a horrible fight with your wife or your husband. . . . If you caught your husband cheating the night before, you’ve got to go to the caucus.”

Trump’s campaign strategy is far from traditional, although his ground game in early voting states has followed a relatively standard playbook in some respects. Over the summer, he hired 10 staffers in Iowa, who traveled around the state in a Trump-branded bus to hand out T-shirts, bumper stickers and hats in exchange for contact information.

But just as Trump doesn’t spend money on pollsters or focus groups, the campaign has yet to purchase databases of potential voters, a key organizing tool used by most campaigns. Instead of buying such a tool from a private contractor, the campaign has compiled its own database using contact information from every rally attendee, either when they registered online or showed up at the door.


With just five weeks until the Iowa caucuses, other Republican candidates have started to flood the state with more staffers and volunteers. Trump’s campaign now has an Iowa staff of 15, who organize at least one large rally per week in addition to continuing to recruit “caucus leaders” who can be the voice of the campaign at caucus locations.

Trump’s Iowa team remains confident that his rally crowds will serendipitously translate into caucus support. Sam Clovis, Trump’s Iowa co-chair, pointed to a rally Trump held in Clay County in northwest Iowa in early December. Only 16,500 people live in the county, but 1,500 showed up at the rally in Spencer, and Clovis said he asked the crowd how many had never caucused before.

“Twenty percent of the hands went up,” Clovis said. “And I said: How many of you are going to caucus this time? Same 20 percent of hands went up, because he has done something. This is something that’s not reflected in the polls. It’s not reflected in any of the ways that you go out and count things.”

There are few gauges right now to measure which candidate might do better in Iowa among the most likely voters. Nationally, a Washington Post-ABC News poll released this month found that 38 percent of registered Republicans support Trump. Among those who said they are certain to vote, 41 percent said they would pick Trump.

Unlike a general election or traditional primary, only a small fraction of Iowans attend the caucuses. In 2012 and 2008, roughly 20 percent of registered Republicans caucused. In low-turnout elections like this, voters tend to be older people who vote regularly and are more likely to have a college degree — not necessarily the group Trump seems to have fired up.

It takes a higher level of commitment to caucus. In traditional primaries, voters have most of the day to show up at the polls. To caucus, Iowans have to be in line at their local precinct by 7 p.m. and will spend most of their evening there, listening to speeches and casting their vote.


Feb. 1 is a Monday night, likely to be cold, perhaps snowy or icy. The caucuses have to compete with the logistics of everyday life: evening work shifts, children who have after-school activities or need help with their homework, making dinner and preparing for the week ahead. And campaigns only have one shot at getting supporters through the door — there’s no early voting and a limited time to monitor who has yet to show up.


“This is a struggle for all of the candidates, because a caucus is different from voting. . . . A caucus is very inconvenient,” said Craig Robinson, a former Iowa GOP official who now runs the blog TheIowaRepublican.com. “It takes a commitment of time.”

But Robinson noted that it also takes a commitment of time to attend a Trump rally, and thousands of Iowans have already done that, while other campaigns struggle to attract a couple hundred. He attended a Trump rally in eastern Iowa this fall and was surprised to see so many fans show up already wearing campaign T-shirts, suggesting a level of planning that could translate into the willingness to caucus.

“There is a committed base of support that no doubt will caucus for him,” Robinson said.

At Trump’s rally in Des Moines on Dec. 11, a couple in their early 30s said they have no plans to caucus, even though they hope Trump will be president and wanted their two young sons to see the candidate speak. A 25-year-old graduate student said he would probably caucus for Trump, but he just moved to the state and has no idea how to do so. A group of high school students said they won’t be old enough to vote. A retiree who said he’s “not a political sort of guy” is still surveying his options.

Linda Stuver, 61, said Trump is her top pick, although she also likes Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) and retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson. During the last election cycle, she went to a rally for Mitt Romney, her first political event. The Trump rally was her second.


“This is only my second time I’ve ever been to one of these — that’s how annoyed I am with what’s happening to our country,” said Stuver, who lives in Des Moines and says she raised four children by cleaning houses and working other low-level jobs. “I can’t even have Obama be on TV anymore — I have to shut it off, that’s how irritated I am. Us old folks have seen a lot, and what’s happening in our country is not right.”

Is she annoyed and irritated enough to caucus?

“I don’t know,” she said, shaking her head. “I never have.”

As Stuver waited for the rally to start, Elton John’s “Tiny Dancer” blared and a Trump staffer with a clipboard stopped by the small section of bleachers where she was sitting.

“Is there anybody up here that’s 100 percent sure that you’re caucusing on February 1 for Trump?” the staffer asked, then waited, holding the clipboard over his head. “Anybody? No?”

With no takers, the staffer moved on to the next section of cheering fans eagerly awaiting Trump’s arrival.
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In states with early primary contests, Trump’s staffers are trying to teach their supporters how to vote

And here I thought Trump's voters were in the genius demographic.
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You are so desperate in your hatred of Trump you'll even buy into this WaPo hit piece.
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But just as Trump doesn’t spend money on pollsters or focus groups, the campaign has yet to purchase databases of potential voters, a key organizing tool used by most campaigns.
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It appears Trump has written off Iowa.

Has any Trump supporter asked themselves why Trump spends almost none of his own money?  He's trying to squeak through on free media.

The key test comes when he has to start shelling out his own money.  Only then will we know he's serious.
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It appears Trump has written off Iowa.

Has any Trump supporter asked themselves why Trump spends almost none of his own money?  He's trying to squeak through on free media.

The key test comes when he has to start shelling out his own money.  Only then will we know he's serious.

Why would Trump spend his own money when he gets tons of free media, and he can take in big donor contributions, and still get away with claiming he is self funded? 

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It appears Trump has written off Iowa.

Has any Trump supporter asked themselves why Trump spends almost none of his own money?  He's trying to squeak through on free media.

The key test comes when he has to start shelling out his own money.  Only then will we know he's serious.

Gee, because the dream of any candidate is to get free media? It's called earned media, and any campaign manager will tell you what Trump is accomplishing is the holy grail of campaigning.

But you wouldn't know that because you know nothing about campaigns. So nice try with the cutsie smirky 'we'll know he's serious when he spends his own money,' but your attempt to divine motivations from actions is just more lawyer word-twisting coming from your delusional fantasy world.

As far as this article, it sounds like they've cherry picked what they want to hear, for the narrative.
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Gee, because the dream of any candidate is to get free media? It's called earned media, and any campaign manager will tell you what Trump is accomplishing is the holy grail of campaigning.

But you wouldn't know that because you know nothing about campaigns. So nice try with the cutsie smirky 'we'll know he's serious when he spends his own money,' but your attempt to divine motivations from actions is just more lawyer word-twisting coming from your delusional fantasy world.

As far as this article, it sounds like they've cherry picked what they want to hear, for the narrative.

Christmas didn't bring any cheer to you, I see.
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Christmas didn't bring any cheer to you, I see.

Aw, another pithy retort of words put in clever arrangements. How jr. high.

Once again shifting and evading tactics to change the subject, because you have no substance on what you speak of. So you seize the emotional and personal to try and paint me 'angry'  Classic commie agitator changeup.

Do you know anything but Alinsky troll tactics? You remind me of that Reagan Hater guy years ago on the old Mike Reagan forum. Sounds like you copied his m.o.
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Aw, another pithy retort of words put in clever arrangements. How jr. high.

Once again shifting and evading tactics to change the subject, because you have no substance on what you speak of. So you seize the emotional and personal to try and paint me 'angry'  Classic commie agitator changeup.

Do you know anything but Alinsky troll tactics? You remind me of that Reagan Hater guy years ago on the old Mike Reagan forum. Sounds like you copied his m.o.

You are so disagreeable.  I'd put you on ignore, but it's too easy to get under your skin.

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You are so disagreeable.  I'd put you on ignore, but it's too easy to get under your skin.

Another catty cheerleader comeback. Pretty much what I thought. Things are alot different from the Webforums days.
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Another catty cheerleader comeback. Pretty much what I thought. Things are alot different from the Webforums days.

You started this crap, pal.  I've been very cordial to you today.

You always play the victim and it's really looking silly.
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You started this crap, pal.  I've been very cordial to you today.

You always play the victim and it's really looking silly.

I just find it funny that your debate style is completely Alinsky troll. Not what I'd expect from a so-called conservative. You're far different than the Sinkspur I remember.
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Anyway... back to the original topic: this is the same phenomenon Ron Paul ran straight into when he ran back in 2008: he had an extremely loud base, but much of it wasn't even Republican. Most of them were independents who didn't fit well into the two-party dichotomy; Trump's followers are much the same.
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Anyway... back to the original topic: this is the same phenomenon Ron Paul ran straight into when he ran back in 2008: he had an extremely loud base, but much of it wasn't even Republican. Most of them were independents who didn't fit well into the two-party dichotomy; Trump's followers are much the same.

Yep.  And nobody knows if Trump's followers will even bother to vote in a primary.
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Yep.  And nobody knows if Trump's followers will even bother to vote in a primary.

If someone takes the time and effort to fight crowds to attend a rally, they will certainly vote in a primary, a much easier endeavor.

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And nobody knows if Trump's followers will even bother to vote in a primary. 

Including you.   :tongue2:

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If someone takes the time and effort to fight crowds to attend a rally, they will certainly vote in a primary, a much easier endeavor.

We'll find out, I guess. 
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Anecdotal to be sure - but in 1972, George Wallace had the most raucous, most attended rallies anywhere.  I attended one. It was an event that couldn't be passed up.

Different times, different circumstances, different candidate, but many are attending Trump's rallies because like Wallace's in 1972, it too is an event.
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Anyway... back to the original topic: this is the same phenomenon Ron Paul ran straight into when he ran back in 2008: he had an extremely loud base, but much of it wasn't even Republican. Most of them were independents who didn't fit well into the two-party dichotomy; Trump's followers are much the same.

I think that is a spot on observation.

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Anyway... back to the original topic: this is the same phenomenon Ron Paul ran straight into when he ran back in 2008: he had an extremely loud base, but much of it wasn't even Republican. Most of them were independents who didn't fit well into the two-party dichotomy; Trump's followers are much the same.
It may be that Iowa's caucus system is just not "user-friendly" enough. In my state in 2008, we had a Republican convention rather than anything like Iowa's setup,  and the Paul supporters (mostly left-wing dopers, it appeared) came out in droves and voted accordingly.
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It may be that Iowa's caucus system is just not "user-friendly" enough. In my state in 2008, we had a Republican convention rather than anything like Iowa's setup,  and the Paul supporters (mostly left-wing dopers, it appeared) came out in droves and voted accordingly.

The Iowa caucus system has it's problems that need changed. It is not user friendly but not in the way you think. The caucus is primarily for taking care of party business. It has 3 basic purposes -

1) to elect the county GOP central committee members for the next cycle
2) to elect the delegates to the county convention
3) to submit approved platform planks for the county GOP platform voted on at the county convention in March.

The straw poll is somewhat peripheral to that, despite the national coverage is receives. Most precincts conduct the straw poll first, then most people not interested in party business leave.

But here's the very critical dirty secret - the straw poll is virtually meaningless. A very small portion of delegates are assigned out of the straw poll. I think it's only one quarter, if that.

The others are assigned at state convention, which requires delegates to go to the county, then the district, then the state, and ultimately to the nat'l convention. This is why in '12 Paul had all the delegates and not Santorum or Romney, though they both tied in the straw poll.

So no, it isn't user friendly. So even if Candidate X supporters show up, that doesn't mean they win Iowa. Those who get their delegates to a grand total of four conventions wins Iowa.
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The Iowa caucus system has it's problems that need changed. It is not user friendly but not in the way you think. The caucus is primarily for taking care of party business. It has 3 basic purposes -

1) to elect the county GOP central committee members for the next cycle
2) to elect the delegates to the county convention
3) to submit approved platform planks for the county GOP platform voted on at the county convention in March.

The straw poll is somewhat peripheral to that, despite the national coverage is receives. Most precincts conduct the straw poll first, then most people not interested in party business leave.

But here's the very critical dirty secret - the straw poll is virtually meaningless. A very small portion of delegates are assigned out of the straw poll. I think it's only one quarter, if that.

The others are assigned at state convention, which requires delegates to go to the county, then the district, then the state, and ultimately to the nat'l convention. This is why in '12 Paul had all the delegates and not Santorum or Romney, though they both tied in the straw poll.

So no, it isn't user friendly. So even if Candidate X supporters show up, that doesn't mean they win Iowa. Those who get their delegates to a grand total of four conventions wins Iowa.

Thanks FV...Iowa has always confused me..lol
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Thanks for the explanation, FV.
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Cheers FV!

Sounds a lot like W. Heath Robinson had a hand in designing that!  :laugh:

Oh lordy EC, it only gets worse!

You can declare to be a Republican and even be a newly registered voter that night. We've had some Dems do the operation chaos bit and a few cross in from out of state, but so far it's not been a problem. But the potential...

Most counties 'ballots' consist of ripping up blank paper and passing them out. Ballot stuffing anyone? I  used ballots and set up my caucus site to have neutral counters in front of campaign observers, but in most counties it is slipshod.

Never killed us till we had a close caucus in '12. That mess up went nat'l on the news. 8 precincts went missing, 4 in my county, 2 from my site. That's a whole other long story.

The only count that matters for the straw poll though is what is written on Form E, of which there is one copy, no replacement, and no triplicate carbon like all the other forms A-D. It must be mailed in, and often don't get there or get 'lost'.

Then there's the convention delegate fights, in which campaigns such as Paul's tried to slip in illegal delegates, and many other shenanigans.

It is not a fun process.

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