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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428906/donald-trump-threat-republican-party

 By George Will — December 23, 2015

If you look beyond Donald Trump’s comprehensive unpleasantness — is there a disagreeable human trait he does not have? — you might see this: He is a fundamentally sad figure. His compulsive boasting is evidence of insecurity. His unassuageable neediness suggests an aching hunger for others’ approval to ratify his self-admiration. His incessant announcements of his self-esteem indicate that he is not self-persuaded. Now, panting with a puppy’s insatiable eagerness to be petted, Trump has reveled in the approval of Vladimir Putin, murderer and war criminal.

Putin slyly stirred America’s politics by saying Trump is “very talented,” adding that he welcomed Trump’s promise of “closer, deeper relations,” whatever that might mean, with Russia. Trump announced himself flattered to be “so nicely complimented” by a “highly respected” man: “When people call you brilliant, it’s always good.” When MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough said Putin “kills journalists and political opponents and invades countries,” Trump replied that “at least he’s a leader.” Besides, Trump breezily asserted, “I think our country does plenty of killing also.” Two days later, Trump, who rarely feigns judiciousness, said: “It has not been proven that he’s killed reporters.”

Well. Perhaps the 56 journalists murdered were coincidental victims of amazingly random violence that the former KGB operative’s police state is powerless to stop. It has, however, been “proven,” perhaps even to Trump’s exacting standards, that Putin has dismembered Ukraine. (Counts one and two at the 1946 Nuremberg trials concerned conspiracy to wage, and waging, aggressive war.)

Until now, Trump’s ever-more-exotic effusions have had an almost numbing effect. Almost. But by his embrace of Putin, and by postulating a slanderous moral equivalence — Putin kills journalists, the United States kills terrorists, what’s the big deal, or the difference? — Trump has forced conservatives to recognize their immediate priority.

Certainly conservatives consider it crucial to deny the Democratic party a third consecutive term controlling the executive branch. Extending from eight to twelve years its use of unbridled executive power would further emancipate the administrative state from control by either a withering legislative branch or a supine judiciary. But first things first. Conservatives’ highest priority now must be to prevent Trump from winning the Republican nomination in this the GOP’s third epochal intra-party struggle in 104 years.

In 1912, former-president Theodore Roosevelt campaigned for the Republican nomination on an explicitly progressive platform. Having failed to win the nomination, he ran a third-party campaign against the Republican nominee, President William Howard Taft, and the Democratic nominee, New Jersey governor Woodrow Wilson, who that November would become the first person elected president who was deeply critical of the American founding.

TR shared Wilson’s impatience with the separation of powers, which both men considered an 18th-century relic incompatible with a properly energetic executive. Espousing unconstrained majoritarianism, TR favored a passive judiciary deferential to elected legislatures and executives; he also endorsed the powers of popular majorities to overturn judicial decisions and recall all public officials.

Taft finished third, carrying only Utah and Vermont. But because Taft hewed to conservatism, and was supported by some other leading Republicans (e.g., Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, one of TR’s closest friends, and Elihu Root, TR’s secretary of war and then secretary of state), the Republican Party survived as a counterbalance to a progressive Democratic Party.

In 1964, Barry Goldwater mounted a successful conservative insurgency against a Republican establishment that was content to blur and dilute the Republican distinctiveness that had been preserved 52 years earlier. Goldwater defeated New York’s Governor Nelson Rockefeller for the nomination, just as Taft had defeated TR, a former New York governor. Like Taft, Goldwater was trounced (he carried six states). But the Republican party won five of the next seven presidential elections. In two of them, Ronald Reagan secured the party’s continuity as the custodian of conservatism.

In 2016, a Trump nomination would not just mean another Democratic presidency. It would mean the loss of what Taft and then Goldwater made possible — a conservative party as a constant presence in American politics.

It is possible Trump will not win any primary, and that by the middle of March our long national embarrassment will be over. But this avatar of unfettered government and executive authoritarianism has mesmerized a large portion of Republicans for six months. The larger portion should understand this:

One hundred and four years of history is in the balance. If Trump is the Republican nominee in 2016, there might not be a conservative party in 2020 either.

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Trump's too late...Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnel already did it.
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Trump's too late...Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnel already did it.

Good answer.

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That's what I thought. If the GOP is considered 'conservative', then the Democrats must be considered to be 'conservatives' as well. Since both parties vote the same way and support the same things.
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
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Trump's too late...Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnel already did it.

You took the words right out of my mouth.  Too late indeed!

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Bonner/McConnnel/Romney/McCain/Ryan/Rove have all ready accomplished this. They have no interest in being the "Conservative" party.

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Bonner/McConnnel/Romney/McCain/Ryan/Rove have all ready accomplished this. They have no interest in being the "Conservative" party.

The people you listed represent the GOP leadership. Not only are they not conseratives, but they hate conseratives. They openly work in concert with the DNC to crush conservatives and conservatism.

Calling the GOP, 'America's Conservative Party' is ridiculous.
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
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Trump's too late...Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnel already did it.

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George Will's got it backwards; there might not be a GOPe party in 2020...

Conservatives, libertarians, constitutionalists (including independents with social, fiscal and defense priorities) might of necessity have to join in a coalition party in opposition to liberal democrats and liberal republicans.

Congress as currently constituted is essentially a one-party organ representing the government's interest in ever expanding its power and influence--a tendency the founders struggled to contain by a constitutional design that's purpose is to limit what the federal government can do and what powers it may claim to itself. Obama has not been constrained in growing government.

Today, it appears the GOP is part of the problem, not part of the solution in rolling back government's influence in American life.
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Bump, because Mark Steyn (subbing for el Rushbo) has been talking about this George Will article all program.

And I nailed it even before Mark Steyn did!

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Conservative party Will :chairbang: :chairbang: :chairbang: :chairbang: :chairbang:.......the same one that passed that monster budget bill for only 9 months at 1.3t.  They even managed to have it expire right before the elections so the ''government shutdown'' issue could be used.......sorry I digress.

I watched Fox News Sunday a month or so ago........Will was on it, I was shocked how clueless and out of touch he was.



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f you look beyond Donald Trump’s comprehensive unpleasantness — is there a disagreeable human trait he does not have? — you might see this: He is a fundamentally sad figure. His compulsive boasting is evidence of insecurity. His unassuageable neediness suggests an aching hunger for others’ approval to ratify his self-admiration. His incessant announcements of his self-esteem indicate that he is not self-persuaded. Now, panting with a puppy’s insatiable eagerness to be petted, Trump has reveled in the approval of Vladimir Putin, murderer and war criminal.

Trump is a narcissist. He is so much like Obama it's scary; Obama has more class, however. 

Steyn was bloviating today about Trump "going on every show that will have him."  Yeah, he PHONES IN; these nets are nuts for not making him get off his mangy ass and show up in the studios. 

Trump will split the GOP, and the remnants who support him will wander off into the Constitution Party or the Libertarians and never be heard from again.
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Conservative party Will :chairbang: :chairbang: :chairbang: :chairbang: :chairbang:.......the same one that passed that monster budget bill for only 9 months at 1.3t.  They even managed to have it expire right before the elections so the ''government shutdown'' issue could be used.......sorry I digress.

I watched Fox News Sunday a month or so ago........Will was on it, I was shocked how clueless and out of touch he was.

LOL!! Will knows more about American politics than you or Donald Trump ever will.  And he's right on in the article. 

The problem with Trump's and Cruz's supporters actually believe that their percentages among Republicans translate into similar percentages with the rest of voters.

They don't.
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George Will's got it backwards; there might not be a GOPe party in 2020...

Conservatives, libertarians, constitutionalists (including independents with social, fiscal and defense priorities) might of necessity have to join in a coalition party in opposition to liberal democrats and liberal republicans.

Congress as currently constituted is essentially a one-party organ representing the government's interest in ever expanding its power and influence--a tendency the founders struggled to contain by a constitutional design that's purpose is to limit what the federal government can do and what powers it may claim to itself. Obama has not been constrained in growing government.

Today, it appears the GOP is part of the problem, not part of the solution in rolling back government's influence in American life.

You actually think there would be LESS interference in American life from Trump?

Trump wants to shut down parts of the Internet (can't do it) and allow government to kick people out of their homes for the benefit of political cronies.   That's not less infuence.

He also wants to "cover everyone" with his healthcare plan.  That's not less infuence.

You need to actually read what your boy advocates.  He is a big government guy.
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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He is a big government guy.

And that is the evident fact that his admirers just cannot seem to come to terms with. He's also not a conservative, or intellectually coherent. But somehow, none of that matters because we're pissed at our party leadership for abandoning the values that this guy never had in the first place... 

The mind boggles.
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I noticed a quote from that sinkspur guy that used to post on this site. I thought he was gone? I have never put him on ignore, but have not seen a post from him in days. The name doesn't even ever appear in active user list.

I don't know who can see him and who cannot see him, but for whatever reason he has become invisible to me, and I would assume to many others.

Either Admin Is allowing him to continue to post, but only he can see it, or only a small select group of users can see his posts.

I do not know. I thought he left.
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
Rational fear and anger at vicious murderous Islamic terrorists is the same as irrational antisemitism, according to the Leftists.

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But, on topic, the Rush show today was quoting many of the posts on this very site, almost verbatim.

I would be lying if I said that I was not proud of that.
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
Rational fear and anger at vicious murderous Islamic terrorists is the same as irrational antisemitism, according to the Leftists.

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But, on topic, the Rush show today was quoting many of the posts on this very site, almost verbatim.

I would be lying if I said that I was not proud of that.

This place is excellent show-prep for him! 

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This place is excellent show-prep for him!

No doubt. At least Steyn, of the others, has to be a lurker. Both on TV and radio,  I have heard him quote from posts on this site. Coincidence is very likely, but still, we are good show prep. For both sides.
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
Rational fear and anger at vicious murderous Islamic terrorists is the same as irrational antisemitism, according to the Leftists.

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But, on topic, the Rush show today was quoting many of the posts on this very site, almost verbatim.

I would be lying if I said that I was not proud of that.

Is that right?  Very cool!


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I noticed a quote from that sinkspur guy that used to post on this site. I thought he was gone? I have never put him on ignore, but have not seen a post from him in days. The name doesn't even ever appear in active user list.

I don't know who can see him and who cannot see him, but for whatever reason he has become invisible to me, and I would assume to many others.

Either Admin Is allowing him to continue to post, but only he can see it, or only a small select group of users can see his posts.

I do not know. I thought he left.

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No doubt. At least Steyn, of the others, has to be a lurker. Both on TV and radio,  I have heard him quote from posts on this site. Coincidence is very likely, but still, we are good show prep. For both sides.

Yeah.  Mark Steyn checks this place out every day.  LOL!!

Delusional.
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FWIW, this article is also posted at the WaPo under a different title:

If Trump wins the nomination, prepare for the end of the conservative party

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FWIW, this article is also posted at the WaPo under a different title:

If Trump wins the nomination, prepare for the end of the conservative party
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