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[Longiron]

That's the only thing Americans are struggling with concerning assimilation of immigrants? "Press one for English?"

I think it's a little more complicated than that.

This is AMERICA and the native language is ENGLISH and will continue in spite of what the LIBS, RINOGOPe and Media tell you.  Press # I for Spanish or #2 for many other language of your choice. Other than that ENGLISH will be spoken. The country is the USA not Mexico, Syria, or anywhere else. As I said in the original post THINK ABOUT IT !

[Jazzhead]

That's the only thing Americans are struggling with concerning assimilation of immigrants? "Press one for English?"

I think it's a little more complicated than that.

Of course, but I was responding to a post alleging that Trump supporters are those who are "ticked off" at having to press #1 for English.  Have a heart!   It's difficult to get by when you're new to this country and struggling to adapt the language.   Why get ticked off at a simple accommodation?   

[Sanguine]

America's always been a country of immigrants.  A phone bank or ATM machine that accommodates persons who are new here isn't a reason for anger, it ought to be a source of pride.   We continue to be a beacon to the rest of the world.   Remember Reagan's shining city?  Sometimes I think that Trump supporters want to burn it down.

No, that's actually not true.  I'm not an immigrant.  My parents aren't immigrants.  My children aren't immigrants.

For most of the 20th century, we accepted very, very few immigrants.

And, when we talk about immigration before now, we are talking about people who had to have family here to vouch for them and take care of them until they could take care of themselves.  They had to learn English to work.  They had to assimilate. There was no welfare for immigrants, no social security, families paid for their own medical care, no housing vouchers, no SSI and on and on.  This is a whole new situation, so I'm not sure what you think the comparison is.

[Jazzhead]

This is AMERICA and the native language is ENGLISH and will continue in spite of what the LIBS, RINOGOPe and Media tell you.  Press # I for Spanish or #2 for many other language of your choice. Other than that ENGLISH will be spoken. The country is the USA not Mexico, Syria, or anywhere else. As I said in the original post THINK ABOUT IT !

I do think about it.  My in-laws came to this country from abroad.  My grandparents came to this country from abroad (Sweden).  Life was tough for them, but it got better.  Those Americans who practice simple courtesies to those who are new should be admired, not hectored that "only English must be spoken."    That fraction of a second that it takes you to press #1 for English may save an immigrant hours of time struggling to cope with an unfamiliar language.   

[Sanguine]

Of course, but I was responding to a post alleging that Trump supporters are those who are "ticked off" at having to press #1 for English.  Have a heart!   It's difficult to get by when you're new to this country and struggling to adapt the language.   Why get ticked off at a simple accommodation?

Do you say that seriously or you just trying to get a rise? 

Simple accommodation, my foot.  First of all, there's the simple impossibility of anticipating what language a particular caller speaks in order to have instructions in his/her language.  And, secondly, needing to speak the dominant language of one's new country will help speed assimilation and learning that language. 

[aligncare]

No, that's actually not true.  I'm not an immigrant.  My parents aren't immigrants.  My children aren't immigrants.

For most of the 20th century, we accepted very, very few immigrants.

And, when we talk about immigration before now, we are talking about people who had to have family here to vouch for them and take care of them until they could take care of themselves.  They had to learn English to work.  They had to assimilate. There was no welfare for immigrants, no social security, families paid for their own medical care, no housing vouchers, no SSI and on and on.  This is a whole new situation, so I'm not sure what you think the comparison is.

Excellent, excellent, excellent points. In fact, those ARE the points.

My parents were uneducated when we arrived in America (sponsored by other family here). And, in spite of being illiterate in his own language, my father took night classes to learn English while he worked as a laborer on construction sites during the day.

[Jazzhead]

Do you say that seriously or you just trying to get a rise? 

Simple accommodation, my foot.  First of all, there's the simple impossibility of anticipating what language a particular caller speaks in order to have instructions in his/her language.  And, secondly, needing to speak the dominant language of one's new country will help speed assimilation and learning that language.

No, I wasn't just trying to get a rise, although my post was certainly prompted by this post from Longiron:

Just read that a large part of TRUMP support comes from the person who gets ticked off when the phone said press 1 for English. Here we our in our own country and we have to press 1 to here our native language. Think about it????

I guess you could say that got a rise out of me.  It has nothing to do with illegal immigration and how to address it.   Plenty of legal immigrants come here - and have for 200 years - and struggle to adapt to a new language.   I applaud businesses that think enough of such folks (and perhaps remember their own family experiences) and provide accommodations for those who don't speak much English.   Immigrants can and do spend money just like the rest of us.  What's wrong with a private business seeking their trade?    It saddens me that some will apparently attack such accommodations - but I can guarantee you that Reagan never would.   

[Sanguine]

No, I wasn't just trying to get a rise, although my post was certainly prompted by this post from Longiron:

I guess you could say that got a rise out of me.  It has nothing to do with illegal immigration and how to address it.   Plenty of legal immigrants come here - and have for 200 years - and struggle to adapt to a new language.   I applaud businesses that think enough of such folks (and perhaps remember their own family experiences) and provide accommodations for those who don't speak much English.   Immigrants can and do spend money just like the rest of us.  What's wrong with a private business seeking their trade?    It saddens me that some will apparently attack such accommodations - but I can guarantee you that Reagan never would.

You can't guarantee what Reagan would or wouldn't have said, so we can just take that one off the table now.

Pretending that language accommodation by businesses is the issue is not very useful, Jazzhead.

If businesses want to provide accommodation, they can and will.  It has absolutely nothing to do with immigration laws or policies, so throwing that in in response to Longiron is just a red herring.

Oh, and you didn't tell me how businesses are able to anticipate what language they should make available to make sure and accommodate poor lost new immigrants.

[aligncare]

By the way, immigrants here from every country have an amazing underground network of support available to them. They know what's in the wind and know the changing laws better than American citizens do!

[EdinVA]

I don't see how a "press #1 for English" prompt is "giving away the store".   I also don't see how the new wave of immigrants is much different from the waves that Reagan and others praised as quintessentially American.   The first generation usually sticks to its native tongue and adapts with difficulty, but succeeding generations assimilate just fine.  Mrs. Jazz's family is a perfect example.   She's one of eight kids born to a first generation immigrants from Mexico.  My father in law, a gardener, has an accent so thick that I barely understand it even after all these years.  But his eight kids all went to college, have good careers and are as American as apple pie.  (The only real fly in the ointment is that only one of them votes Republican). 

Reagan had the right idea.  Why do so many conservatives seem to forget their, and America's,  immigrant roots?   

A gardener could afford to pay for 8 college degrees on his own?
A house, medical care too?

Honest question, not trying to ping you but it seems a bit much...

[Scottftlc]

No, I wasn't just trying to get a rise, although my post was certainly prompted by this post from Longiron:

I guess you could say that got a rise out of me.  It has nothing to do with illegal immigration and how to address it.   Plenty of legal immigrants come here - and have for 200 years - and struggle to adapt to a new language.   I applaud businesses that think enough of such folks (and perhaps remember their own family experiences) and provide accommodations for those who don't speak much English.   Immigrants can and do spend money just like the rest of us.  What's wrong with a private business seeking their trade?    It saddens me that some will apparently attack such accommodations - but I can guarantee you that Reagan never would.

The problem here is two things - and one of these can certainly be overcome with correct immigration policy and control of the borders (the other will take a bit more time but if the first is taken care of, the second won't be an unmanageable problem).  The first problem is the sheer numbers coming in and the complete lack of control and management over the system that allows them in.  There should be a limited number allowed in each year (so areas of the country are not overwhelmed and changed by the influx) - what that number is I believe could be agreed upon if we had control of our borders.  That solves all of the major issues.  The second problem is really due to the unmanaged, wide open borders we have now that allows an unknown number in...and that is that the great majority of the new immigrants are essentially socialists and vote that way.  They get pandered to with government programs and they naturally think that this is what America is about - getting government largesse from Democrats in return for their loyalty.  Our country tends even more strongly toward socialism because of the immigrants.

I believe that getting control of the system, getting control of the borders and finding the right number to allow in legally each year will go a long way toward solving that second problem...or at least managing it.

[aligncare]

The problem here is two things - and one of these can certainly be overcome with correct immigration policy and control of the borders (the other will take a bit more time but if the first is taken care of, the second won't be an unmanageable problem).  The first problem is the sheer numbers coming in and the complete lack of control and management over the system that allows them in.  There should be a limited number allowed in each year (so areas of the country are not overwhelmed and changed by the influx) - what that number is I believe could be agreed upon if we had control of our borders.  That solves all of the major issues.  The second problem is really due to the unmanaged, wide open borders we have now that allows an unknown number in...and that is that the great majority of the new immigrants are essentially socialists and vote that way.  They get pandered to with government programs and they naturally think that this is what America is about - getting government largesse from Democrats in return for their loyalty.  Our country tends even more strongly toward socialism because of the immigrants.

I believe that getting control of the system, getting control of the borders and finding the right number to allow in legally each year will go a long way toward solving that second problem...or at least managing it.

Great points!

There's a mistaken belief we are a "democracy," and that we have the option of voting in a socialist political system. But, we are a republic, with a codified government framework. I was always taught to reject socialism because of its inherent failures. And now my government to shoving it down my throat.

[Jazzhead]

A gardener could afford to pay for 8 college degrees on his own?
A house, medical care too?

Honest question, not trying to ping you but it seems a bit much...

Yeah, he was a gardener (he's almost 90 now), but he worked hard his whole life.  If you want to dismiss him as a mere gardener, then think of him instead as an enterpreneur; he had his own customers and worked for himself for over fifty years.   My mother in law worked her whole life, too, with the same employer for 40 years.  Yeah,  she had health coverage and retired with a pension.  (She's gone now, God bless her.)

A bit much?  Try HARD WORK, EdinVA.   A lifetime of toil and thrift pays off.  As for their kids,  most went to state schools but two went to Stanford and one went to Yale (that's the one that I snagged).   Yeah, they qualified for financial aid but are you going to begrudge them that?   Their parents encouraged them to strive and succeed.   They are an American success story and I burst with pride saying so - even if my father-in-law still presses #2 for Spanish.     

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Yeah, he was a gardener (he's almost 90 now), but he worked hard his whole life.  If you want to dismiss him as a mere gardener, then think of him instead as an enterpreneur; he had his own customers and worked for himself for over fifty years.   My mother in law worked her whole life, too, with the same employer for 40 years.  Yeah,  she had health coverage and retired with a pension.  (She's gone now, God bless her.)

A bit much?  Try HARD WORK, EdinVA.   A lifetime of toil and thrift pays off.  As for their kids,  most went to state schools but two went to Stanford and one went to Yale (that's the one that I snagged).   Yeah, they qualified for financial aid but are you going to begrudge them that?   Their parents encouraged them to strive and succeed.   They are an American success story and I burst with pride saying so - even if my father-in-law still presses #2 for Spanish.     

Welcome Jazzhead.  Great posts through this thread.  I hope you stick around.  I think you and I are going to be friends.

[sinkspur]

Welcome Jazzhead.  Great posts through this thread.  I hope you stick around.  I think you and I are going to be friends.

Ditto.  Jazzhead's contributions are most welcome.  Stick around Jazzhead.

[massadvj]

massadvj, I have to disagree with you. When the actual voting occurs in the voting booths we shall see if there are enough conservatives that will overlook the crudeness, bluster and vulgarity that
Trump embodies to hand the nomination to Trump. I do not believe it will happen. The social conservatives will eventual turn on Trump and establishment conservatives already find him unacceptable. There is a limit to the number of times Trump can display such disregard for civility and remain an option for voters. What that limit is remains to be seen. But, it has already been reached by many and will be reached by others soon enough.

Thanks for your "two cents" Cuky.  You might be right. 

The big question is if it comes down to Trump versus Cruz who do the mderates choose?  One thing worth pointing out is that we can all imagine Trump as POTUS but we can never imagine him as VP, whereas we can easily imagine Cruz in the second spot.   That tells me Trump has more gravitas than Cruz, and I think that is an intangible that could matter come election day.

Another big question is whether Trump can get his vote out.  A lot of his support comes from LIVs who are not particularly reliable in comparison to hard core conservatives and Christians.  Also, if Trump wins the nomination I think a lot of the So Cons will stsy home, so he has to get support from other places to compensate.

This is really a fight for the soul of the party.  The fact that Trump divides conservatives makes matters all that much more difficult.

[massadvj]

I do think about it.  My in-laws came to this country from abroad.  My grandparents came to this country from abroad (Sweden).  Life was tough for them, but it got better.  Those Americans who practice simple courtesies to those who are new should be admired, not hectored that "only English must be spoken."    That fraction of a second that it takes you to press #1 for English may save an immigrant hours of time struggling to cope with an unfamiliar language.   

Toco uno para ingles, pero no preocupo que negocios lo requiera.  Verdadamente, pienso que espanol es una idioma muy romantica.  A saberlo es tener mas exitos con las mujeres, pero no lo debemos mencion a los norteamericanos nativistos.  Podemos tener las mujeres por nosotros.

Lo siento que mi espanol no sea perfecto.  Todavia estoy aprendido.  Quizas un dia consiguire suficientemente adecuado que yo toce dos para espanol.

[aligncare]

Thanks for your "two cents" Cuky.  You might be right. 

The big question is if it comes down to Trump versus Cruz who do the mderates choose?  One thing worth pointing out is that we can all imagine Trump as POTUS but we can never imagine him as VP, whereas we can easily imagine Cruz in the second spot.   That tells me Trump has more gravitas than Cruz, and I think that is an intangible that could matter come election day.

Another big question is whether Trump can get his vote out.  A lot of his support comes from LIVs who are not particularly reliable in comparison to hard core conservatives and Christians.  Also, if Trump wins the nomination I think a lot of the So Cons will stsy home, so he has to get support from other places to compensate.

This is really a fight for the soul of the party.  The fact that Trump divides conservatives makes matters all that much more difficult.

Your analyses are always cogent, without a hint of emotional investment. Therefore, I agree in toto! Merry Christmas, Victor!

[massadvj]

Your analyses are always cogent, without a hint of emotional investment. Therefore, I agree in toto! Merry Christmas, Victor!

Well, it is pretty easy not to be emotionally invested when one supports Rand Paul.  Otherwise I'd have to commit suicide.

Merry Christmas to all on GOPBR.

[Jazzhead]

Thanks,  Once-ler and Sinkspur - I appreciate the welcome and Merry Christmas!   

Good question about GOP moderates and where they'll go if it comes down to Trump vs. Cruz.   I'm probably in that broad category and for me I'd have to go with Cruz.   He's a coherent conservative and my issues with him are more about experience and temperament.   He's an ambitious man,  and his political personality is, at least to me, off-putting.  I worry that he can't win the general.   As was suggested,  I'd much rather see him (or Rubio) as the veep nominee. 

I'm with George Will when it comes to Trump - he's an existential threat to the GOP and to conservatism itself.   Cruz even if he loses can keep the party together.  Trump will cleave the RINOs from the base.  That may bring a schoolyard victory,  but the consequences to the country are harrowing to contemplate.   

[alicewonders]

It all boils down to this -

 - no one is saying anyone should be forced to hear English only when they call their cable company or whatever.  That's a red herring.  It's that you shouldn't have to press a number to hear something in English - here in the United States.  English is the default.  If a company wants to offer other options by pressing other numbers, that's fantastic and kudos to that company.  But to treat the option of hearing a message in English the same as listening to it in Spanish, or Somoli, or whatever - is a slight to our American language. 

That also points to the problem of legal vs illegal entry.  I have a friend from Russia that tried for years to get into this country to be able to give her and her two children a better life than they were living in Russia.  Years!

She speaks broken English, but she's getting better all the time.  She considers it a privilege to be able to do so and she doesn't demand that all businesses and entities invest a lot of money to make it easier for her to converse in Russian. 

When people enter illegally, they probably don't know much English at all - and unless we make a lot of sweeping accommodations, they will pretty much be living in the shadows for the rest of their life.  But then, I think that is the whole point.  You encourage desperate people to come here where they end up doing jobs Americans think they're too good to do for less than they can "raise a family on". 

We are cultivating a third world economic slave class of people to serve us and we are doing it in a way that looks like "compassion".  I say bull-bleep!

Now, it's appeals to our humanity - "that's not who we are!" - but the real reason this is going on is more sinister, and the irony is that it's not people like myself (that have been accused of being racist nativist xenophobics) that are the racists.  It's the people that rig the system so they can be served by a permanent third world class of people at their disposal.  It is sickening.

These are the games that are being played on us in a daily onslaught.  Our masters are convinced we are stupid enough to fall for it all.  We're just little puppets getting jerked around like toys. 

   

[Longiron]

It all boils down to this -

 - no one is saying anyone should be forced to hear English only when they call their cable company or whatever.  That's a red herring.  It's that you shouldn't have to press a number to hear something in English - here in the United States.  English is the default.  If a company wants to offer other options by pressing other numbers, that's fantastic and kudos to that company.  But to treat the option of hearing a message in English the same as listening to it in Spanish, or Somoli, or whatever - is a slight to our American language. 

That also points to the problem of legal vs illegal entry.  I have a friend from Russia that tried for years to get into this country to be able to give her and her two children a better life than they were living in Russia.  Years!

She speaks broken English, but she's getting better all the time.  She considers it a privilege to be able to do so and she doesn't demand that all businesses and entities invest a lot of money to make it easier for her to converse in Russian. 

When people enter illegally, they probably don't know much English at all - and unless we make a lot of sweeping accommodations, they will pretty much be living in the shadows for the rest of their life.  But then, I think that is the whole point.  You encourage desperate people to come here where they end up doing jobs Americans think they're too good to do for less than they can "raise a family on". 

We are cultivating a third world economic slave class of people to serve us and we are doing it in a way that looks like "compassion".  I say bull-bleep!

Now, it's appeals to our humanity - "that's not who we are!" - but the real reason this is going on is more sinister, and the irony is that it's not people like myself (that have been accused of being racist nativist xenophobics) that are the racists.  It's the people that rig the system so they can be served by a permanent third world class of people at their disposal.  It is sickening.

These are the games that are being played on us in a daily onslaught.  Our masters are convinced we are stupid enough to fall for it all.  We're just little puppets getting jerked around like toys. 

   

Good point and the perfect example of the elites expecting the peasants to just shut up was the passage of the OMNIBUS bill with no opposition and then having Ryan come out and say we need workers for our factories with 95 Million people out of work. Again PRESS 2 for Spanish.

[flowers]

It all boils down to this -

 - no one is saying anyone should be forced to hear English only when they call their cable company or whatever.  That's a red herring.  It's that you shouldn't have to press a number to hear something in English - here in the United States.  English is the default.  If a company wants to offer other options by pressing other numbers, that's fantastic and kudos to that company.  But to treat the option of hearing a message in English the same as listening to it in Spanish, or Somoli, or whatever - is a slight to our American language. 

That also points to the problem of legal vs illegal entry.  I have a friend from Russia that tried for years to get into this country to be able to give her and her two children a better life than they were living in Russia.  Years!

She speaks broken English, but she's getting better all the time.  She considers it a privilege to be able to do so and she doesn't demand that all businesses and entities invest a lot of money to make it easier for her to converse in Russian. 

When people enter illegally, they probably don't know much English at all - and unless we make a lot of sweeping accommodations, they will pretty much be living in the shadows for the rest of their life.  But then, I think that is the whole point.  You encourage desperate people to come here where they end up doing jobs Americans think they're too good to do for less than they can "raise a family on". 

We are cultivating a third world economic slave class of people to serve us and we are doing it in a way that looks like "compassion".  I say bull-bleep!

Now, it's appeals to our humanity - "that's not who we are!" - but the real reason this is going on is more sinister, and the irony is that it's not people like myself (that have been accused of being racist nativist xenophobics) that are the racists.  It's the people that rig the system so they can be served by a permanent third world class of people at their disposal.  It is sickening.

These are the games that are being played on us in a daily onslaught.  Our masters are convinced we are stupid enough to fall for it all.  We're just little puppets getting jerked around like toys. 

   

spot on post. As I have stated before our masters want this country to look like the streets of Peru.  Heck they want most the planet that way.

[DCPatriot]

 

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Merry Christmas DC. 
I hope Santa brought you something nice.

I got Avengers 2 and Guardians of the Galaxy on BluRay, a house filled with relatives, food, and sangria...and the joy of watching my children open presents.