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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/11/donald-trump-im-starting-to-win-the-debate-on-barring-muslims-from-us

Donald Trump, the billionaire real estate developer and former reality TV star who is whipping up a storm in the 2016 presidential election, told a crowd of police officers in New Hampshire on Thursday night that he was starting to win the debate about cutting off all Muslim immigration into the US.

As the fall-out continues from his highly contentious proposal to close the country to all incoming Muslims for a temporary period in the wake of the San Bernardino terrorist attack, Trump audaciously claimed that the nation was starting to swing behind him. “We have people talking, I’ll tell you that,” the Republican frontrunner said, “and they’re talking very positively.”

He described the worldwide furor that was provoked by his call on Monday for a “total and complete shutdown” of US borders to Muslims as “an interesting few days”. But the public was beginning to agree with him, he said, just as they had done over his earlier contentious plan to build a wall along the Mexican border.

“They are saying ‘Trump is right. Trump has a point.’”

The Republican frontrunner made his remarks at the Sheraton hotel in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, where the New England Police Benevolent Association was voting to endorse him as its presidential candidate. After he received the endorsement from the police union, Trump promised that he would “never, ever let the police and law enforcement in this country down”.

He also unveiled his latest headline-catching campaign wheeze. Were he to win the race to the White House, he said, one of his earliest acts would be to pass an executive order mandating the death penalty for any killer of a police officer.

“Police officers throughout this country have had a hard time. A lot of people have been killed violently,” he said, without mentioning the widespread national unrest over police shootings of unarmed black teenagers.

The idea of imposing the death penalty for killing a law enforcer is almost certainly a chimera as US presidents only have power to influence sentencing in the minority of cases that are deemed federal homicides. Most murders are left under the US constitution to the individual states to decide.

Trump’s contention that he was beginning to win the debate on Muslim immigration was to some extent supported by a new poll from NBC News and the Wall Street Journal. It suggested that more Republicans favor his proposal to ban all Muslims from entering the US than oppose it.

According to the poll, 42% of Republican voters support the presidential candidate’s plan while 36% oppose it. When only Republican primary voters are included, support falls to 38% supporting and 39% opposing the plan.

Yet while more Republican voters seem comfortable with Trump’s controversial proposal, it is still fiercely opposed by most Americans. Fifty-seven percent of all respondents across party lines oppose Trump’s plan to bar Muslims from entering the United States and only 25% support it.

The poll is not the first to find widespread GOP support for Trump’s advocacy of imposing a religious test for anyone entering the United States. An online poll conducted by Bloomberg Politics on Wednesday found that 65% of likely Republican primary voters supported Trump’s plan.

Trump has also improved his standing in national polls since calling for the ban. In a new poll from the New York Times and CBS News released on Thursday, the real estate mogul received support from 35% of Republican primary voters nationally.

The Porstmouth event with police officers attracted one of the largest anti-Trump protests yet. About 200 people assembled outside the Sheraton brandishing placards that said “LOVE>HATE” and “We welcome refugees”.

In an attempt to drown them out, organizers of Trump’s visit to the police union blasted out the sounds of the 1980s Twisted Sister song We’re Not Gonna Take It.

Some of the anti-Trump protesters were paradoxically Republicans. One of them, Harrison Debree, 28, held up a placard that said “Trump: America’s Hitler” with a photograph of the candidate with a Hitler moustache etched on it.

Debree normally votes Republican but said he was so unhappy about the messages being put out by Trump that he was seriously now considering voting for the leading Democratic candidates, Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders.

“I don’t like the way that Trump is assaulting the Bill of Rights, like this week’s statement on closing the US to Muslims – that’s an attack on the First Amendment religious test. He’s more of a threat to the Constitution than even the Democrats are.”

Inside the hotel, police officers packed into the ballroom to see Trump were generally in support of his plan to shutdown the country to incoming Muslims. Heather Ross, 43, a New Hampshire state law enforcement officer, said that she thought it was a good idea.

“Our own country’s security needs to come first. It’s too bad if it hurts people’s feelings,” she said.

Dennis Rizzuto, 49, a police officer from Carver, Massachusetts, said that he had been a Trump supporter for a long time. He said he supported the billionaire’s immigration proposals, and if anything he would go even further.

“I think we need to get a grip on our borders, period. We should consider closing the borders to anyone coming in to this country no matter who they are.”

In an interview with the Guardian, Trump’s national policy adviser, Sam Clovis, defended the plan as a reasonable way for the United States to “stop, take a break, have a look and make sure everything is cool”.

However, many other Republicans condemned it. His rival for the GOP nomination, Senator Lindsey Graham, told the Guardian that “Donald Trump today took xenophobia and religious bigotry to a new level”, while former vice-president Dick Cheney said in a radio interview that Trump’s plan “goes against everything we believe in”.
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Re: Donald Trump: 'I'm starting to win the debate on barring Muslims from US'
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2015, 08:29:47 am »
Borders.  Language.  Culture.

These three define a nation.

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Re: Donald Trump: 'I'm starting to win the debate on barring Muslims from US'
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2015, 01:11:25 pm »
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In an interview with the Guardian, Trump’s national policy adviser, Sam Clovis, defended the plan as a reasonable way for the United States to “stop, take a break, have a look and make sure everything is cool”.

We should have done this for as long as we needed to after 9-11.  I still have a difficult time understanding why we did not.

Doing this now should be a no-brainer.

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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2015, 01:14:45 pm »
We should have done this for as long as we needed to after 9-11.  I still have a difficult time understanding why we did not.

Doing this now should be a no-brainer.

I think that is our problem, no brains

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Re: Donald Trump: 'I'm starting to win the debate on barring Muslims from US'
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2015, 01:35:51 pm »
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-vote-Republicans-Trump/2015/12/10/id/705366/

NBC/WSJ Poll: Majority of Americans Oppose Trump Anti-Muslim Plan

Here's a breakdown of the overall results of the poll, released Thursday:

    57 percent oppose Trump's plan
    25 percent support it
    18 percent don't know or have no opnion


Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-vote-Republicans-Trump/2015/12/10/id/705366/#ixzz3u1FBU3Ub

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Re: Donald Trump: 'I'm starting to win the debate on barring Muslims from US'
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2015, 02:01:19 pm »
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-vote-Republicans-Trump/2015/12/10/id/705366/

NBC/WSJ Poll: Majority of Americans Oppose Trump Anti-Muslim Plan

Here's a breakdown of the overall results of the poll, released Thursday:

    57 percent oppose Trump's plan
    25 percent support it
    18 percent don't know or have no opnion


Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-vote-Republicans-Trump/2015/12/10/id/705366/#ixzz3u1FBU3Ub

It will take only one Paris-style massacre in the heart of Manhattan's theater district to change this equation. Liberals are stupid about a lot of things, but interrupt a theatrical performance, well that makes them mad enough to call for government overreach--nothing to them, they love government--and place a ban on Syrian refugees.

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Re: Donald Trump: 'I'm starting to win the debate on barring Muslims from US'
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2015, 02:30:04 pm »
Ramussen poll shows 66% of Republicans are in agreement with Trump!!


 Despite an international uproar and condemnation by President Obama and nearly all of those running for the presidency, Donald Trump’s proposed ban on Muslims coming to the United States has the support of a sizable majority of Republicans – and a plurality of all voters.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 66% of Likely Republican Voters favor a temporary ban on all Muslims entering the United States until the federal government improves its ability to screen out potential terrorists from coming here. Just 24% oppose the plan, with 10% undecided.

Among all voters, 46% favor a temporary ban on Muslims entering the United States, while 40% are opposed. Fourteen percent (14%) are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Trump, the front-runner in the race for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, proposed the ban following last week’s massacre in San Bernardino, California. Sixty-five percent (65%) of voters believe the two shooters in the incident were radical Islamic terrorists. Those individuals had entered the United States without problem and escaped detection despite several actions here suggesting that they had violent intentions.

Fifty-nine percent (59%) of voters believe it is too easy for foreigners to legally enter the Untied States. Only 10% believe it is too hard, while 23% say the level of difficulty is about right.

Still, when thinking about immigration policy in general, 59% also feel that the United States should treat all potential immigrants equally, down only slightly from June. Thirty percent (30%) think the United States should allow more immigrants from some countries than others, a finding that’s changed very from past surveying.  Eleven percent (11%) are not sure.

Late last month – and prior to the mass murders in San Bernardino, Trump said he would support government tracking of Muslims living in the United States through a federal database, a plan his fellow GOP rivals said was going too far. But at that time, one-in-three voters - and a slight plurality of Republicans – supported government monitoring of Muslims.

Rasmussen Reports Managing Editor Fran Coombs is available for media comment on these poll results. Call 732-776-9777x205 to schedule now.

The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on December 8-9, 2015 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

Rasmussen Reports will post its latest weekly Trump Change survey tomorrow at 10:30 a.m. Eastern. We’ll see if Trump’s latest remarks have raised or lowered expectations for his candidacy.

In another survey just before the San Bernardino incident, 49% of U.S. voters said Islam as practiced today encourages violence more than most other religions, and 71% thought Islamic religious leaders need to do more to emphasize the peaceful beliefs of their faith.

Most voters who believe Trump is likely to be the next Republican presidential nominee support his proposed ban on Muslims entering the United States.

Men and women are in equal agreement on a temporary ban on Muslims coming here. The older the voter, the more likely he or she is to support such a ban.

Just 30% of Democrats favor Trump’s proposed ban, while 55% oppose it. Voters not affiliated with either major party support the ban by a narrow 45% to 39% margin.

The majority of voters in most demographic categories think it is too easy for foreigners to legally enter the United States but also feel that America should treat all potential immigrants equally.

While 78% of Republicans and 59% of unaffiliateds think it is too easy to get into the United States, just 42% of Democrats agree. Voters in Obama’s party, on the other hand, feel more strongly than GOP and unaffiliated voters that the United States should treat all potential immigrants equally.

Only 30% of all voters think the federal government is doing a good or excellent job monitoring potential terrorists inside the United States.

Thirty-nine percent (39%) think the terrorists are winning the War on Terror, while only 28% believe the United States and its allies are winning.  That’s consistent with surveying for months but reflects voter attitudes before the terrorist attacks in Paris and last week’s massacre in California. We’ll be updating those findings tomorrow morning, too.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/december_2015/voters_like_trump_s_proposed_muslim_ban


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Re: Donald Trump: 'I'm starting to win the debate on barring Muslims from US'
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2015, 02:40:25 pm »
According to the poll, 42% of Republican voters support the presidential candidate’s plan while 36% oppose it. When only Republican primary voters are included, support falls to 38% supporting and 39% opposing the plan.

Trump's plan can't even win a majority of Republican voters.  So much for "winning the argument.

The longer people have to realize what he's proposing, the more nutty they think it is.
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Re: Donald Trump: 'I'm starting to win the debate on barring Muslims from US'
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2015, 04:05:46 pm »
According to the poll, 42% of Republican voters support the presidential candidate’s plan while 36% oppose it. When only Republican primary voters are included, support falls to 38% supporting and 39% opposing the plan.

Trump's plan can't even win a majority of Republican voters.  So much for "winning the argument.

The longer people have to realize what he's proposing, the more nutty they think it is. 

Nonsense.   **nononono*

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According to the poll, 42% of Republican voters support the presidential candidate’s plan while 36% oppose it. When only Republican primary voters are included, support falls to 38% supporting and 39% opposing the plan.

Trump's plan can't even win a majority of Republican voters.  So much for "winning the argument.

The longer people have to realize what he's proposing, the more nutty they think it is.

You will notice, this is an MSNBC poll?

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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2015, 07:13:58 pm »
You will notice, this is an MSNBC poll?



Nope.

Never happened.

What you are seeing is an illusion. Just ask sinkspur. Trump is actually losing support for his nutty idea about keeping people out of the country who might want to kill Americans. How nutso Trump is!

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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2015, 08:45:35 pm »
What missing here is that based upon breaking news last night on Megyn Kelly's show regarding the SPECIFIC order on Syed Fahrook, as well as any group or individual...that they should stop building any cases against same.

Couple this with allowing God knows how many ISIS followers into the United States in the middle of the night on pick any airbase or airport in the country.

Now add a pinch of the FBI, admitting under humiliating questioning that they did indeed know the San Bernadino shooting was TERRORISM, but they had buckled under pressure from the White House from publicly stating thus.

In summary, these are grounds for Impeachment and immediate removal of Barack Obama on crimes of high treason.  Politicizing our national security?  He should be frog-marched out tonight.

The federal government's MAIN responsibility to its citizens is to protect them.

Instead, this Muslim anarchist has now made it "open season" on you and your neighbors.  On purpose.

'We deserve to suffer like other peoples.  We stole our wealth on the backs of the black man"....and all that nonsense.

Occam's Razor here, folks.   
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Re: Donald Trump: 'I'm starting to win the debate on barring Muslims from US'
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2015, 09:02:54 pm »
What missing here is that based upon breaking news last night on Megyn Kelly's show regarding the SPECIFIC order on Syed Fahrook, as well as any group or individual...that they should stop building any cases against same.

Couple this with allowing God knows how many ISIS followers into the United States in the middle of the night on pick any airbase or airport in the country.

Now add a pinch of the FBI, admitting under humiliating questioning that they did indeed know the San Bernadino shooting was TERRORISM, but they had buckled under pressure from the White House from publicly stating thus.

In summary, these are grounds for Impeachment and immediate removal of Barack Obama on crimes of high treason.  Politicizing our national security?  He should be frog-marched out tonight.

The federal government's MAIN responsibility to its citizens is to protect them.

Instead, this Muslim anarchist has now made it "open season" on you and your neighbors.  On purpose.

'We deserve to suffer like other peoples.  We stole our wealth on the backs of the black man"....and all that nonsense.

Occam's Razor here, folks.

Obama will never be held to account for his actions. He is America's first president from the protected class of citizens.

Besides, during impeachment trial he could always use the political correctness defense clause of the constitution.

It's right there next to the section protecting murder, as long as the victim is under negative 0 months old--but, don't worry you can always fudge the numbers a little to make sure you got plenty of fresh body parts for sale.