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Offline ABX

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Re: No, Donald Trump Won't Win
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2015, 07:04:28 pm »
Could you be more specific with this charge you are making?

Otherwise, this is just artful but meaningless hyperbole.

I'll pretend we haven't discussed this 100 times before.

For every politician we complain about being bought and paid for, there is someone doing the buying. For every politician we complain about being influenced, there is someone doing the influencing.
Rush likes to call them the 'donor class' and makes them synonymous with the establishment.

For all the complaining about this on our side, look who is leading on our side, the one who has been one of the poster child for the donor class of political influencers, to the point he even brags about it.

Unlike, for example, the Koch Brothers who are big members of the political class yet through their PACs primarily support Conservative and Libertarian causes, our leading candidate has been playing this game for decades not to enhance conservatism and free markets, but to undermine them for his own gain. He pays off politicians and uses influence to take private property, he uses it to have businesses condemned when he needs their land, he uses it to block competing businesses out of the market so he has a monopoly, he uses it to 'grease the wheels' and get taxpayer funded grants under the guise of tax credits to build more of his empire. It is a textbook definition of Corporatism or Cronyism and is right in line with what Harry Reid's family has done in Nevada for decades that we condemn as corruption at the highest level. 

Yet, because a certain candidate this year is saying things we want to hear, all that doesn't matter. He is being dismissed as 'just doing as what needs to be done as a developer' or many other dismissals.

If the latter is the case, don't dismiss him in one breath then complain about politicians being bought and paid for in the next breath.   
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Re: No, Donald Trump Won't Win
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2015, 07:12:42 pm »
If Trump is just another Donor Class scion, why is the GOP Establishment in such utter fear of him? They all should be welcoming him with open arms as one of their own.

Because he isn't our donor class.  Except for a few little minor donations here and there, it hasn't been Republicans he was financing. It wasn't Republicans he hobnobbed with. It wasn't Republicans he was going to when he needed a business condemned or sent his lawyers to in order to block his competitors from a market.

Republicans (at least on paper) still believe in free markets, not centrally managed markets that can be influenced for personal gain by people like him.
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Re: No, Donald Trump Won't Win
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2015, 07:13:55 pm »
I understand the process. What happened to Rick Santorum, Pat Buchanan and Pat Robertson, former Iowa caucus winners?

Well apparently you don't.

Yes they don't always pick the winner but  the conservative favorites, just like NH shows the moderate favorite. Sometimes they win sometimes they don't. But the more important ones are those who finish 2nd or 3rd in both races and are not the one-note favorites. They indicate viability going into SC and FL. McCain is the only one that almost bucked the rule.

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Re: No, Donald Trump Won't Win
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2015, 08:48:00 pm »
You're a liberal Republican who voted for Carter in '76, and now you're using the New York Times as a source... I love how Trump is upsetting the Republican Establishment who gave us Obama twice.
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Re: No, Donald Trump Won't Win
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2015, 02:39:48 am »
You're a liberal Republican who voted for Carter in '76, and now you're using the New York Times as a source... I love how Trump is upsetting the Republican Establishment who gave us Obama twice.


:silly:

I guess the voters didn't have a damned thing to do with it, then?