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Trump won' rule out database, special ID for Muslims
« on: November 19, 2015, 03:44:50 pm »
Trump won't rule out database, special ID for Muslims in US

November 19, 2015

By Mark Hensch


“We’re going to have to do things that we never did before,” he said during a Yahoo interview.
“Some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule,” Trump said.

“Certain things will be done that we never thought would happen in this country in terms of information and learning about the enemy,” he added. “We’re going to have to do things that were frankly unthinkable a year ago.”

Trump would not rule out warrantless searches in his plans for increased surveillance of the nation’s Muslims, Yahoo reported Thursday.

He also remained open toward registering U.S. Muslims in a database or giving them special identification identifying their faith, the news outlet added.

“We’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely,” Trump said. “We’re going to have to look at the mosques. We’re going to have to look very, very carefully.”

Trump additionally floated former New York Police Department Commissioner Ray Kelly for a position in his potential presidential administration.

“Ray’s a great guy,” he said of the former NYPD chief. “Ray did a fab job as commissioner, and sure, Ray would be somebody I’d certainly consider.”

Kelly notably spearheaded the NYPD’s controversial surveillance program of New York City’s Muslim population following the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

The Associated Press reported in November 2011 that the NYPD built extensive databases detailing life in Muslim communities.

The department monitored grocery sales, social life and even worship among New York’s Islamic population, the AP added.

Trump has repeatedly called for increased surveillance of Islamic mosques following last week’s terrorist attacks in Paris.

“You’re going to have to watch and study the mosques, because a lot of talk is going on in the mosques,” he said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” early Monday.

“And from what I heard, in the old days – meaning a while ago – we had a great surveillance going on in and around the mosques of New York City,” the outspoken billionaire added.

Trump then said that the U.S. would have “absolutely no choice” besides shutting down mosques when “some bad things happen.”

More than 100 people died during a series of coordinated bombings and shootings across Paris last Friday night and more than 300 more were injured. The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) has since claimed responsibility for those attacks.
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Re: Trump won' rule out database, special ID for Muslims
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2015, 03:48:33 pm »
Here's an idea:  let's come up with a nifty yellow star-of-David ID and require Jews to wear it at all times.

Oh, somebody already thought of that about 70 years ago..................
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Re: Trump won' rule out database, special ID for Muslims
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2015, 03:58:45 pm »
And there goes the pendulum swinging too far the other way.

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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2015, 04:01:20 pm »
Oh yeah, that is going to make us look good. Not!
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2015, 04:21:55 pm »
Here's an idea:  let's come up with a nifty yellow star-of-David ID and require Jews to wear it at all times.

Oh, somebody already thought of that about 70 years ago..................

Or put the Japanese in camps.
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Re: Trump won' rule out database, special ID for Muslims
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2015, 04:28:09 pm »
Once again, it's time to post this.

The time has come to change this:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

To this:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The followers of muhammed are specifically excluded and denied the protections of this amendment along with any and all other Constitutional protections. Neither the United States nor the Several States will offer such protections or liberties to the followers of muhammed.

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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2015, 04:36:00 pm »
And there goes the pendulum swinging too far the other way.

Here's a simpler idea--just keep all Muslims out of the US.   Period.  No visas, no student exceptions, no immigrants, no "refugees".  And we don't open the nation to them again until ISIS is eradicated.

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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2015, 04:36:56 pm »
 
This is how Big Brother advances.  Like with the Patriot Act, a threat is raised... conservatives push through changes to exchange a bit of liberty for the promise of security... communists then exploit those changes by taking far more liberty than is necessary...

Think the next communist president or the one after that won't add Christians to the database?

Kinda makes one think that these threats are deliberately encouraged to ease the transition to a Security State...

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...

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Re: Trump won' rule out database, special ID for Muslims
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2015, 04:37:18 pm »
Here's a simpler idea--just keep all Muslims out of the US.   Period.  No visas, no student exceptions, no immigrants, no "refugees".  And we don't open the nation to them again until ISIS is eradicated.

So kickout  all of the Muslims?
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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2015, 04:38:53 pm »
So kickout  all of the Muslims?

Yes.  Do you have a problem with keeping Americans safe?


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Re: Trump won' rule out database, special ID for Muslims
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2015, 04:40:01 pm »
Oh yeah, that is going to make us look good. Not!

Why in the hell do we need to "look good" on this issue?  For the sake of political correctness in lieu of American sovereignty and national security?

As Glenn Beck stated ... IF we do not stand against this ... we are ALL DEAD. It is that simple. Governor's of many states are standing against refugee resettlement, some of the DEMS are standing against this and the GOP is taking a stand against this. Yet Barry has decided to continue on with his plan of destroying this country. This is his final goal and I have no doubt that he has already cut a deal with the UN. I also don't doubt that regardless of the opposition by Congress, We the People and Governors of states he will continue even if it means these terrorists being escorted into our country by UN troops.
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Re: Trump won' rule out database, special ID for Muslims
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2015, 04:41:23 pm »
Once again, it's time to post this.

The time has come to change this:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

To this:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The followers of muhammed are specifically excluded and denied the protections of this amendment along with any and all other Constitutional protections. Neither the United States nor the Several States will offer such protections or liberties to the followers of muhammed.

What about us Catholics?  We believe we're eating and drinking the body and blood of Jesus every Sunday.  Is there room for us cannibals in YOUR America?
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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2015, 04:41:27 pm »
Yes.  Do you have a problem with keeping Americans safe?

I happen to quite fond of the Constitution and yes it is a suicide pact.
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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2015, 04:41:56 pm »
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Re: Trump won' rule out database, special ID for Muslims
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2015, 04:42:22 pm »
Yes.  Do you have a problem with keeping Americans safe?

You've jumped the shark. This place is in the process of going completely berserk.
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Re: Trump won' rule out database, special ID for Muslims
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2015, 04:54:06 pm »
Here's a simpler idea--just keep all Muslims out of the US.   Period.  No visas, no student exceptions, no immigrants, no "refugees".  And we don't open the nation to them again until ISIS is eradicated.

The speech didn't differentiate immigrants versus citizens.

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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2015, 04:59:03 pm »
I happen to quite fond of the Constitution and yes it is a suicide pact. 

Most Americans, including our Founders, prefer life and will act to protect it.   So, no, you (fill in the blank),  the Constitution is NOT a suicide pact.

You try so hard to be a contrarian that you no longer make sense.  You have reached the point where you exhibit no intellectual synapse, no critical thinking or depth whatsoever.  Congratulations!  You've reached the bottom of the pit.  Well done, Kevin.  Well done.

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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2015, 05:00:43 pm »
You've jumped the shark. This place is in the process of going completely berserk.


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Re: Trump won' rule out database, special ID for Muslims
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2015, 05:06:26 pm »
Wow, this thread went crazy over the relatively lame and tame premise of "not ruling" something totally hypothetical "out".  We don't ever rule out using nuclear weapons either, but we don't use them.
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« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2015, 05:15:12 pm »
Wow, this thread went crazy over the relatively lame and tame premise of "not ruling" something totally hypothetical "out".  We don't ever rule out using nuclear weapons either, but we don't use them.

It's "tame" to force IDs on a group of people because of their religion? 

Be careful.  Your religion may be next in Trump world.
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« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2015, 05:25:37 pm »
It's "tame" to force IDs on a group of people because of their religion? 

Be careful.  Your religion may be next in Trump world.

Not ruling out a hypothetical is not the same thing as "forcing IDs on a group because of their religion" in much the same way as not ruling out the use of nuclear weapons is not the same thing as vaporizing Teheran.
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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2015, 05:29:32 pm »
You've jumped the shark. This place is in the process of going completely berserk.

It isn't 'this place'. Different posters are expressing different opinions. There isn't a single manifest orthodoxy being demanded and enforced like a certain other website. That's one of the best things about 'this place'.

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« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2015, 05:36:49 pm »
Not ruling out a hypothetical is not the same thing as "forcing IDs on a group because of their religion" in much the same way as not ruling out the use of nuclear weapons is not the same thing as vaporizing Teheran.

Then why bring it up?

 I'll tell you why:  it makes his followers orgasmic.
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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2015, 05:37:51 pm »
Oh yeah, that is going to make us look good. Not!

What does Rubio have to say on the subject? **nononono*

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« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2015, 05:44:08 pm »
What does Rubio have to say on the subject? **nononono*

The rest of the Republican field will shake their heads over this.  Like the majority of Americans.
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