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... Although Trump glibly describes "Operation Wetback" as moving undocumented immigrants "waaay south," this program was at best inhumane and at worst horrific. Back then, the government rounded up suspected undocumented immigrants and sent them deep into the Mexican interior, where they were abandoned with next to nothing. The transports across the border were reportedly "indescribable scenes of human misery and tragedy." In one instance, 88 deportees died from heat stroke in the desert. Other deportees were sent to the Mexican Gulf Coast by ship, in vessels described by historians as an "eighteenth century slave ship" or "penal hell ship." ...
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Re: Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2015, 09:29:17 pm »
 
I'm thinking if you tell them we're going to do that... a bunch of them will find their own way back home...


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Re: Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2015, 09:39:53 pm »
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Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace

Of course it was - to Mexico.

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Re: Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2015, 10:26:28 pm »

I'm thinking if you tell them we're going to do that... a bunch of them will find their own way back home...

Especially if we simply cease support, benefits and any incentives for illegal aliens to be here

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Re: Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2015, 10:28:46 pm »
Especially if we simply cease support, benefits and any incentives for illegal aliens to be here

Exactly!  Isn't that how we created the problem?

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Re: Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2015, 10:31:59 pm »
Raul A. Reyes
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Wow. Enforcing the law is a "disgrace". Curious if this reporter would say the same thing to every other nation in the world, all of whom have MUCH tougher immigration enforcement and laws then the USA does.

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Re: Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2015, 10:33:57 pm »
Raul A. Reyes
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indescribable scenes of human misery and tragedy


Source for this claim? Given the habitual lying for political reasons we seen in the US Media over the last 20 years, they are no longer credit sources of fact.

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Re: Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2015, 10:39:45 pm »
Especially if we simply cease support, benefits and any incentives for illegal aliens to be here

This won't happen. The courts will shoot any such attempt down.

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Re: Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2015, 11:19:03 pm »
This site is no longer credible while members, owners, and mods quote and post from KNOWN biased and questionable media sources such as NBC News, Politico, The Hill, Washington Post, NY Times.  Such  posts are intended to increase traffic and dissent.

You are a closed society--good friends, more than likely.  Wake UP

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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2015, 11:24:58 pm »
This site is no longer credible while members, owners, and mods quote and post from KNOWN biased and questionable media sources such as NBC News, Politico, The Hill, Washington Post, NY Times.  Such  posts are intended to increase traffic and dissent.

You are a closed society--good friends, more than likely.  Wake UP

THey're no more questionable than The New American and some of those goofy conspiracy sites that one particular poster puts up on a regular basis.

It takes all kinds to make for vigorous debate, so let's not try to shoehorn GBR into some kind of TOS-like site that limits what's put up.
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Re: Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2015, 11:34:59 pm »
This site is no longer credible while members, owners, and mods quote and post from KNOWN biased and questionable media sources such as NBC News, Politico, The Hill, Washington Post, NY Times.  Such  posts are intended to increase traffic and dissent.

You are a closed society--good friends, more than likely.  Wake UP

What is a good source? Wing Nut Daily?

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Re: Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2015, 11:37:40 pm »
What is a good source? Wing Nut Daily?

Wing Nut Daily, Brietbart, and barbwire.com.   Oh and the Birchite New American.
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Re: Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2015, 11:41:07 pm »
Especially if we simply cease support, benefits and any incentives for illegal aliens to be here

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Re: Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2015, 11:48:37 pm »
Especially if we simply cease support, benefits and any incentives for illegal aliens to be here

When American citizens start roofing houses, doing lawn work, painting, and washing dishes for the same amount of money illegals work for, the illegals will be gone.

Nobody believes that's suddenly going to happen, so there will always be an incentive for illegals to stay.  The GOP just has to figure out how to pass a guest worker program that basically allows illegals to stay here and work.  That's all they want.  The vast majority don't want citizenship.
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Re: Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2015, 12:08:30 am »
NBC news: where straight, white, tax-paying Americans are second class citizens, good only for paying for the social services provided free to illegal aliens and who constitute the most pressing problem facing America today, next to Christianity.

NBC news to Americans: "hey, pay up and shut up. Don't you know that the donor class depends on the importation of cheap peasant labor? How do you expect us to afford to buy our next Lear jet if we can't exploit Mexican peasants?

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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2015, 12:36:14 am »
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Re: Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2015, 12:41:01 am »
This won't happen. The courts will shoot any such attempt down.

And the courts are now King of America?  I don't think so!
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Re: Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2015, 12:50:40 am »
Only 11 percent of Hispanics like Trump: poll

http://nypost.com/2015/10/26/only-11-percent-of-hispanics-like-trump-poll/

Trump is constantly touting his support among Hispanics, as if his saying so makes it so.

He is despised by Hispanics and would lose in Goldwater proportions if he won the nomination.
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Re: Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2015, 01:06:12 am »
And the courts are now King of America?  I don't think so!

Unfortunately they act like it.  All you need is for those rounded up to start saying they are US citizens. At that point, the onus of proof is on the government (due process) to show otherwise. They just need to say, 'I am a US Citizen and I won't answer questions and I demand a lawyer'.  Now they are in the legal system and the government has to formally charge them in order to detain them, which involves showing proof they are not a citizen but in the country illegally.   As I pointed out last night, there are 200 immigration judges in the US right now. They handle approximately 1500 cases per year. Divide that by 15 million illegal aliens and at that rate, without increasing the size of government drastically, it would take ten thousand years to process all of them.

It is not as easy as 'round them up and ship them off' as some politicians claim, even if that is ideally what would happen.

Ike and Truman did it without social media or social justice warriors taking every case. They also did it with an illegal population who came under much friendlier circumstances during WWII when they were coming to help and we welcomed them through a 'look the other way' policy. (and even then, the deportations were controversial as many were just trucked down and dumped in the middle of Mexico far away from their homes without the permission of the government there).

I don't have the answer. What I'm saying is that anyone who promises to 'round them up and ship them off' in two years (or four or a decade) without creating an unconstitutional police state is as full of s*** as Bernie Sanders promising free houses and free college.

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Re: Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2015, 01:11:14 am »
Trump himself knows he can't do what he says he wants to do, which is another reason why I can't stand the sonofabitch.

He's a PT Barnum, blatantly lying to the suckers who lap up his every word.
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« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2015, 01:13:41 am »
Unfortunately they act like it.  All you need is for those rounded up to start saying they are US citizens. At that point, the onus of proof is on the government (due process) to show otherwise. They just need to say, 'I am a US Citizen and I won't answer questions and I demand a lawyer'.  Now they are in the legal system and the government has to formally charge them in order to detain them, which involves showing proof they are not a citizen but in the country illegally.   As I pointed out last night, there are 200 immigration judges in the US right now. They handle approximately 1500 cases per year. Divide that by 15 million illegal aliens and at that rate, without increasing the size of government drastically, it would take ten thousand years to process all of them.

It is not as easy as 'round them up and ship them off' as some politicians claim, even if that is ideally what would happen.

Ike and Truman did it without social media or social justice warriors taking every case. They also did it with an illegal population who came under much friendlier circumstances during WWII when they were coming to help and we welcomed them through a 'look the other way' policy. (and even then, the deportations were controversial as many were just trucked down and dumped in the middle of Mexico far away from their homes without the permission of the government there).

I don't have the answer. What I'm saying is that anyone who promises to 'round them up and ship them off' in two years (or four or a decade) without creating an unconstitutional police state is as full of s*** as Bernie Sanders promising free houses and free college.

We don't need to round up or move anyone! All we need to do is turn off the damned magnets that bring them here and they will leave on their own!
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Re: Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2015, 01:27:39 am »
We don't need to round up or move anyone! All we need to do is turn off the damned magnets that bring them here and they will leave on their own!

I agree with this.

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Re: Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2015, 01:32:59 am »
Wing Nut Daily, Brietbart, and barbwire.com.   Oh and the Birchite New American.

When was it that NBC News suddenly became a trusted source for political
information?  When did you stop using your own brain?

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Re: Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2015, 02:10:16 am »
"the government rounded up suspected undocumented immigrants and sent them deep into the Mexican interior, where they were abandoned with next to nothing. The transports across the border were reportedly "indescribable scenes of human misery and tragedy." In one instance, 88 deportees died from heat stroke in the desert"

Sounds to me like the failure was that of the Mexican govt, not the Eisenhower admin. Why didn't they take responsibility for their own people?

Interestingly enough, I was just reading a commentary on "Operation Wetback" (not its real name, btw) which pointed out that the desert in which the illegals were callously and cruelly "dumped" was "the desert the illegals chose to cross to get into the U.S."
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Re: Opinion: Sorry Trump, "Operation Wetback" Was a National Disgrace
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2015, 03:39:29 am »
From the article:
"Other deportees were sent to the Mexican Gulf Coast by ship, in vessels described by historians as an "eighteenth century slave ship" or "penal hell ship." ..."

I will applaud and cheer as loudly as my lungs will permit when they bring something like this back: