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November 05, 2015, 06:42 am
George H.W. Bush calls out Cheney, Rumsfeld

By The Hill staff

Former President George H.W. Bush claims Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld's reaction to the September 11 attacks was too hawkish and damaged his son.

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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2015, 01:51:52 pm »
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Former President George H.W. Bush Raps Cheney, Rumsfeld in Biography
Wednesday, November 4, 2015 08:36 PM

By: REUTERS

Former President George H.W. Bush takes some unexpected swipes at Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, key members of his son's administration, over their reaction to the Sept. 11 attacks, in a new biography of the 41st president, Fox News reported on Wednesday.

In "Destiny and Power: The American Odyssey Of George Herbert Walker Bush," author Jon Meacham quotes Bush as saying that Cheney and Rumsfeld were too hawkish and that their harsh stance damaged the reputation of the United States, the cable news network said.

Speaking of Cheney, who was vice president under President George W. Bush, the senior Bush said: "I don't know, he just became very hard-line and very different from the Dick Cheney I knew and worked with," according to the report.

Cheney served as defense secretary during George H.W. Bush's 1989-1993 presidency.

"The reaction (to Sept. 11), what to do about the Middle East. Just iron-ass. His seeming knuckling under to the real hard-charging guys who want to fight about everything, use force to get our way in the Middle East," Bush told Meacham in the book to be published next Tuesday.

Bush believes Cheney acted too independently of his son by creating a national security team in his own office, and may have been influenced to become more conservative by his wife and daughter, Lynne and Liz Cheney, the report cites the biography as saying.

On Rumsfeld, secretary of defense for most of the two terms served by his son, Bush is even more critical. He is quoted as saying: "I don't like what he did, and I think it hurt the President," referring to his son.

"I've never been that close to him anyway. There's a lack of humility, a lack of seeing what the other guy thinks. He's more kick ass and take names, take numbers. I think he paid a price for that. Rumsfeld was an arrogant fellow," he was quoted as saying in the biography.

Fox News quoted Cheney as denying his family had influenced his views, saying: "It's his view, perhaps, of what happened, but my family was not conspiring to somehow turn me into a tougher, more hardnosed individual. I got there all by myself."

Bush's spokesman could not immediately be reached for comment.

Rumsfeld declined to comment on the book, Fox News said.
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Re: George H.W. Bush calls out Cheney, Rumsfeld
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2015, 01:54:59 pm »
Well if I had to choose between GHW Bush and Dick Cheney it would be Cheney every single time!

Wish HE had been president!
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2015, 02:08:56 pm »
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2015, 03:10:02 pm »
First George W says he doesn't like Ted Cruz, now Daddy Bush slams Cheney and Rumsfeld.  Looks like they've finally taken off the gentle genteel gentleman gloves - coming out against conservatives.

Doesn't surprise me, but I do wonder what took them so long?

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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2015, 03:11:06 pm »
This is just a pathetic old man trying to whitewash the family name in order to pave the way for his second son to win the presidency.  It's sad, really.  To believe this, you have to believe that GWB was not in charge of his own administration.  What does that say?

Also, I can't help but wonder what kind of medical attention these ex-presidents who all seem to live well into their nineties are getting that our veterans aren't getting?

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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2015, 03:27:55 pm »
This really bothers me..GHW bashing two loyal confidants while he is mum on Obama's last 7 years....I just don't understand why he felt the need to do this...shame on you Pres Bush.
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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2015, 04:16:28 pm »
So his son was merely a cipher the entire time? Would have been nice to know...he was really that kinder, gentler sort, eh?

So "Destiny and Power".  Pretty elevated title there, guess he thinks a lot of himself. He could have titled it "Read My Lips", that is a better description of his impact on history.
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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2015, 04:51:20 pm »

Damn...Cheney, Rumsfeld? Two of the pillars of the Bush administration?  **nononono*  criticizing the men among the boys...  **nononono*

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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2015, 06:38:18 pm »
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Cheney and Bush Respond to Bush 41's Slam on Administration
Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:11 AM

By: Loren Gutentag

After former President George H.W. Bush took some unexpected punches at key figures in his son's administration in a new biography, Dick Cheney and George W. Bush are now responding to senior Bush's remarks.

"Destiny and Power: The American Odyssey of George Herbert Walker Bush," a biography written by John Meacham, quotes senior Bush criticizing Cheney for being an "iron-ass," labeling Donald Rumsfeld as "an arrogant fellow," and even criticizes the 43rd president of his rhetoric.

However, according to CNN, when Meacham showed the transcripts of his conversation with senior Bush to both Cheney and younger bush, both responded, "fascinating."

"He certainly never expressed that opinion to me, either during the presidency or after," George W. Bush said.

And in response to the criticism of his rhetoric, Bush added, "It is true that my rhetoric could get pretty strong and that may have bothered some people — obviously it did, including dad, though he never mentioned it."

CNN reports that Bush also pushed back on the notion that Cheney had an enormous amount of influence in his administration, arguing that "I made the decisions. This was my philosophy."

Though, in response to how the administration reacted after the terrorist attacks on 9/11, Cheney admitted that there's "no question, I was much harder-line after 9/11 than I was before."

However, Cheney told Fox News that he'll take the former presidents "iron-ass" remark as a mark of pride.

"I think a lot of people believed then, and still believe to this day, that I was aggressive in defending, in carrying out what I thought were the right policies," Cheney said.

Despite the heavy criticism, Cheney told Fox News that he respects his former boss and Meacham's book.

"The diary's fascinating, because you can see how he felt at various key moments of his life," Cheney said. "So I'm enjoying the book. I recommend it to my friends. And proud to be a part of it."

Rumsfeld, however, has declined to comment on 41's remarks, Fox News reports.
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Re: George H.W. Bush calls out Cheney, Rumsfeld
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2015, 07:04:00 pm »
Truth be told Bush 41 left a lot of unfinished business in Iraq when he and the "allies" allowed Saddam to sue for peace while Operation Desert Storm was still in full throttle.

The disintegration of Iraq's socio-economic institutions during the UN-led sanctions of Saddam in the 90s set up the dismal scenario that faced Bush 43's coalition when Saddam's regime was sacked 12 years later.
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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2015, 09:29:31 pm »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3305849/Donald-Rumsfeld-fury-George-H-W-Bush-says-president-getting-years-former-president-called-arrogant-accused-Cheney-forming-empire.html

Donald Rumsfeld fury at George H. W. Bush: He says president 'getting up in years' after former president called him 'arrogant' and accused Cheney of forming an 'empire'

     Donald Rumsfeld said Bush 41 'misjudges' his son's administration after a new book gives George H.W. Bush's critical take
     In the book, the elder Bush said that Rumsfeld hurt his son's presidency, while Dick Cheney got carried away 
    The book also reveals that Donald Trump wanted to be the senior Bush's running mate in 1988

By Nikki Schwab, U.s. Political Reporter For Dailymail.com

Published: 14:50 EST, 5 November 2015 | Updated: 16:27 EST, 5 November 2015



Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said criticism coming from George H.W. Bush was because the 91-year-old former president was 'getting up in years' and 'misjudges' his son's administration.

Bush, in a new book, told journalist John Meacham that Rumsfeld was an 'arrogant fellow' who served President George W. Bush, Bush 41's son, 'badly.'

Bush also said that Vice President Dick Cheney had formed 'his own empire,' within his son's administration, taking an 'iron-ass' approach.

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I am profoundly disappointed in GHW Bush.  I hope it can be attributed to his age and declining health.

According to Dick Cheney, George W. Bush was in charge.

I believe Cheney.  He is, in every sense of the word, an American hero.
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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2015, 09:37:45 pm »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3305849/Donald-Rumsfeld-fury-George-H-W-Bush-says-president-getting-years-former-president-called-arrogant-accused-Cheney-forming-empire.html

Donald Rumsfeld fury at George H. W. Bush: He says president 'getting up in years' after former president called him 'arrogant' and accused Cheney of forming an 'empire'

     Donald Rumsfeld said Bush 41 'misjudges' his son's administration after a new book gives George H.W. Bush's critical take
     In the book, the elder Bush said that Rumsfeld hurt his son's presidency, while Dick Cheney got carried away 
    The book also reveals that Donald Trump wanted to be the senior Bush's running mate in 1988

By Nikki Schwab, U.s. Political Reporter For Dailymail.com

Published: 14:50 EST, 5 November 2015 | Updated: 16:27 EST, 5 November 2015



Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said criticism coming from George H.W. Bush was because the 91-year-old former president was 'getting up in years' and 'misjudges' his son's administration.

Bush, in a new book, told journalist John Meacham that Rumsfeld was an 'arrogant fellow' who served President George W. Bush, Bush 41's son, 'badly.'

Bush also said that Vice President Dick Cheney had formed 'his own empire,' within his son's administration, taking an 'iron-ass' approach.

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The comments by Rumsfeld here don't sound like "fury."  They sound like he's attributing the comments about him to age.
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Too bad for having held the presidency for twelve years, they can't utilize better book advisors, and avoid this embarrassment--for them ALL.
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I am profoundly disappointed in GHW Bush.  I hope it can be attributed to his age and declining health.

According to Dick Cheney, George W. Bush was in charge.

I believe Cheney.  He is, in every sense of the word, an American hero.

Absolutely right!   :beer:
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You all catch this line?: "The book also reveals that Donald Trump wanted to be the senior Bush's running mate in 1988." I found that interesting. If only because it seems you can't get through an article without Trump's name coming up.




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You all catch this line?: "The book also reveals that Donald Trump wanted to be the senior Bush's running mate in 1988." I found that interesting. If only because it seems you can't get through an article without Trump's name coming up.

If true, it demonstrates that Trump had an unbelievably elevated opinion of himself even 17 years ago.
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Too bad for having held the presidency for twelve years, they can't utilize better book advisors, and avoid this embarrassment--for them ALL.

Jon Meacham is, at bottom, a liberal even though he tries to pass himself off as an objective journalist. HW is just pissed that Jeb's getting his butt kicked and didn't like all the criticism of W.  The problem is, daddy makes W look like a wimp with these comments.
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New Book Claims Bush 41 Trashed Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld
November 05, 2015


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RUSH: This is really, really curious.  I came in here today, I got in here, and Snerdley's bringing the coffee in, and he said, "What do you think about this Bush book?"  I hate it when somebody asks me something that I don't know about.  You know how rarely that happens?  And I said, "What Bush book?  "The Bush book where they're hitting Rumsfeld and Cheney."  I said, "Which Bush?"  He said "43."  I said, "43's got a book out?"  And he said, "No, no, no, no, 41."  And I was still, "41 has a book out hitting --"  And it turns out that 41 doesn't have a book out.

Jon Meacham has a book out in which he has talked to George Bush 41.  It's a biography.  The new Jon Meacham biography, Destiny and Power:  The American Odyssey of George Herbert Walker Bush, i.e., George H. W. Bush, i.e., 41.  And in this book it is said that Bush 41 has some harsh words for the actions of his son's administration. In particular George Bush 41 is said to have objected strenuously to how Vice President Cheney and Defense Secretary Rumsfeld reacted to 9/11.  He feels that they were too hawkish, that they took a harsh, inflexible stance that tarnished America's reputation around the world.

Now, forgive me, folks, but I'm not aware of any Republican using that language.  I mean, clearly we have some Republican moderates using hindsight who didn't want to be associated with any of that who've been critical of it, and Rumsfeld Cheney, but tarnished America's reputation around the world?  That's the kind of language the left used particularly when talking about that phantom torture they thought was going on down at Club Gitmo.  For crying out loud, George H. W. Bush, this is a guy -- this is really hard.  I mean, I know things.  I'm incredulous here.  A, I don't know how this even happened.  But this is the same George H. W Bush that can't say one bad thing about Bill Clinton or Barack Obama and we're launching on Cheney and Rumsfeld here in a biography, Destiny and Power:  The American Odyssey of George Herbert Walker Bush

And Bush is quoted. It makes sense, it's his biography as written by Jon Meacham.  Meacham used to be, what was it, Newsweek?  Jon Meacham, Newsweek mag, he's part of the Howard Fineman cabal over there at Newsweek and Gloria Borger and that bunch.  It wasn't US News.  It might have been.  But I know it wasn't TIME.  Anyway, here's the quote.  This is H. W. Speaking, Bush 41, to Meacham, the author.  "I don't know, he just became very hard-line and very different from the Dick Cheney I knew and worked with. The reaction [to 9/11], what to do about the Middle East. Just iron-ass. His seeming knuckling under to the real hard-charging guys who want to fight about everything, use force to get our way in the Middle East ..."

That's what he said about Cheney. He's even harder on Rumsfeld.  Quote, "I don't like what he did, and I think it hurt the President" -- his son, that is. "I've never been that close to him anyway. There's a lack of humility, a lack of seeing what the other guy thinks. He's more kick ass and take names, take numbers. I think he paid a price for that. Rumsfeld was an arrogant fellow ..."

Now, meanwhile, Jeb Bush, devoted and trusted son of 41, is running around, running for president, telling everybody his brother, and that would mean Rumsfeld and Cheney, kept us safe.  Folks, there's so much of this, a lot of this doesn't pass the smell test in ways that I cannot divulge I have smelled things.  I just can't.  But this doesn't seem -- yeah, he's the former editor-in-chief of Newsweek.  This just doesn't compute, folks.  I'm sorry.  I wish I could go further.  I can't.  It's called discretion, secrecy, promises, and so forth, but it doesn't wash here, for me.

But let's say it's true, I'm still amazed. It's undignified and beneath the dignity of the office to attack Democrats. It's undignified and beneath the office to politicize the office of the presidency and anybody who's held it so we're not gonna get down in the gutter.  Remember that was the reason why we were told that Bush 43 administration did not respond to any of the defamatory hits that they were taking throughout their administration, particularly the second term.  But man, when it comes to launching on Republicans, it doesn't seem like there's any problem here.

Anyway, I had to mention this at the top because the Drive-Bys are buzzing about this. You can just imagine they are having a field day with this, and they will continue to have a field day with this.  All of this is happening while Jeb is trying to restart his presidential campaign for the fifth time.  Byron York has a piece out there. I've got it in the Republican primary campaign Stack.  Byron York in the Washington Examiner laying out how Bush can actually win this thing.  It's a long shot and a lot of planets, even those we haven't discovered yet have to line up.  But it can happen, and it can happen if Bush has staying power, if the money hangs in there and if we can just be patient, let all these other people just wipe themselves out, Bush could end up being the last man standing.

Well, now this election cycle (laughing) but now, now, can you imagine the questions in the next debate, "Mr. Bush, Jon Meacham writing a biography of your father, Cheney, Rumsfeld, big mistakes, iron ass, kick ass, no dignity, no humility.  What do you say about that?"

"They kept us safe."

"Really?  Well, your dad's out there saying that --"

This is problematic.  I know there has been no reluctance on the part of some in the Bush family to criticize Reagan when they were both running for the presidency.  It does seem that hitting Democrats, that's undignified, we're not gonna go there, but we can criticize and hit people on our own side of the aisle. 

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