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 By Mike DeBonis and Robert Costa October 21 at 8:00 PM

Hard-line conservatives cleared a path late Wednesday for Rep. Paul Ryan to become House speaker when a majority of some of the most disgruntled House Republicans signaled that they would support his bid for the top job.

The decision to back Ryan by the 40-member House Freedom Caucus, which has risen in power and stature since its founding this year, came after the Ways and Means chairman spent much of his day courting its support.

“A supermajority of the caucus has agreed to support Paul Ryan,” said Rep. Raúl R. Labrador (R-Idaho) after a lengthy evening meeting.

However, it was not immediately clear whether that support — which fell short of a formal endorsement — would meet the most challenging condition Ryan set out Tuesday for serving as speaker: unity among all of the House Republican Conference’s warring factions.

In a statement made after the Freedom Caucus meeting, Ryan did not say whether the vote met his terms but signaled that he did not view it as a rejection.

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Good.  Maybe the crybaby caucus is beginning to grow up a little.

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Good.  Maybe the crybaby caucus is beginning to grow up a little.
That is the Freedumb caucus, Oceander.

Did you see Matt Boyle's scoop on Brietbart.com this morning?

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Somebody should tell Mark Levin, Ann Coulter, and Laura Ingraham that a supermajority of the Freedumb Caucus are RINOS!

http://blogs.rollcall.com/218/freedom-caucus-stops-short-ryan-endorsement/
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“I’m grateful for the support of a supermajority of the House Freedom Caucus,” he said in a statement following the HFC vote. “I look forward to hearing from the other two caucuses by the end of the week, but I believe this is a positive step toward a unified Republican team.”
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Have ye a gander at fresno.com to see politics at the extreme, re. this item.

What is a true conservative supposed to do?

Down to the last 36 of 246 and even they surrender.

E. g. The Last of the Surrender Monkies"

It bears a certain similarity to "98-2."

Or as I frequently say, "they don't have the numbers" and they ain't persuading or converting anybody new to their point of view.

Narrow but loud. (The key to better results would be to become wider, not ever more narrow. People like Nixon and Reagan grasped that. Nixon is called a rino and Reagan's record has simply been forgotten, in favor of cult of personality. Reagan was known to advocate for compromise, too)


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Have ye a gander at fresno.com to see politics at the extreme, re. this item.

What is a true conservative supposed to do?

Down to the last 36 of 246 and even they surrender.

E. g. The Last of the Surrender Monkies"

It bears a certain similarity to "98-2."

(fresno.com requires a username and password)

RADIOe is going to go apesh*t tomorrow

more fallout...never had so much fun reading the comments.
https://m.facebook.com/freedomcaucus/posts/1066327526734564



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"Narrow but loud. (The key to better results would be to become wider, not ever more narrow. People like Nixon and Reagan grasped that. Nixon is called a rino and Reagan's record has simply been forgotten, in favor of cult of personality. Reagan was known to advocate for compromise, too)"

Darn right. Let's just jettison any principle which makes us what we are (well, not you or Oceander) and get in step with the times. Grab on to that Socialist anti-freedom coattail and let us take our country whither it will. Just so long as we are not seen as out of step. Heaven forbid!

That's the spirit.
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Darn right. Let's just jettison any principle which makes us what we are (well, not you or Oceander) and get in step with the times.

No. Rage on impotently.

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Next up: Ryan responds to HFC
http://youtu.be/WpE_xMRiCLE


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Serious Q: if people hate the GOP because they avoid fights to escape blame, why is it okay that HFC just did the same thing?
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I don’t get why HFC wouldn’t just dig in their heels and demand Webster. Ryan, apparently, offered to drop out if they did.
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Almost like they don't know what they're doing and have no real plan

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/mcclintock-resigns-from-house-freedom-caucus-213692

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House Republican quits Freedom Caucus
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California Republican Rep. Tom McClintock announced Wednesday he was resigning from the conservative House Freedom Caucus, saying the group’s hardball tactics had undermined conservative goals rather than advancing them.

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#Breaking Am told Rep Webster is still running for Spkr despite tonight's events. Still has Freedom Caucus "endorsement" but not "support.

http://redalertpolitics.com/2015/10/09/webster-supports-bush/
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The race for Speaker is getting more and more hectic, and conservatives in the House Freedom Caucus have endorsed Rep. Daniel Webster (R-Fla.)–but he may not be as far-right as some think.

Webster endorsed former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush for the Republican nomination in June, arguably the most moderate Republican in the field who supports amnesty for illegal immigration and Common Core testing.
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‘Supermajority’ of House Freedom Caucus to back Paul Ryan’s speaker bid

By Mike DeBonis and Robert Costa October 21 at 8:50 PM

Hard-line conservatives cleared a path Wednesday for Rep. Paul Ryan to become House speaker when some of his most disgruntled fellow Republicans signaled that they would support his bid for the top job.

The decision to back Ryan by the House Freedom Caucus, a group of nearly 40 lawmakers that has risen in power and stature since its founding this year, came after the Ways and Means Committee chairman spent much of his day courting its support.

The group stopped short of an official endorsement, which would have required 80 percent support, but members said a “supermajority” of the caucus would back a Ryan bid for speaker. Ryan set out a series of conditions Tuesday under which he would consider seeking the speakership; the most challenging of those was unity among all of the House Republican Conference’s warring factions. The support of the Freedom Caucus was regarded as one of the huge obstacles to meeting that condition.

In a statement, Ryan said he did not view the lack of a formal endorsement as a rejection: “I believe this is a positive step toward a unified Republican team.”

Rep. Raúl R. Labrador (R-Idaho), a co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, emerged from a lengthy evening meeting Wednesday and said there was “consensus that we need to move forward because it’s time for the conference to unite.”


“It’s time for everybody to work together and make the Republican Party stronger,” he said. “That’s what we’re trying to do even with the reservations that some people have about Paul Ryan being speaker.”


Ryan could still decide not to serve as speaker, and some conservative activists have engaged in a vigorous campaign to cast doubt on his record, which might give some members cold feet before votes are cast next week.

But the level of Freedom Caucus support represents the first thaw in the increasingly frosty relationship between tea party conservatives and establishment Republicans. It also paves the way for fresh GOP leadership heading into imminent clashes with President Obama over the national debt and federal spending.
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The Freedom Caucus met with Ryan for an hour in the Capitol earlier in the day. Many of its members had balked at the conditions Ryan attached to his decision to serve as speaker, and the meeting represented their first chance to question him directly about his plans.

The meeting broke up without resolution, setting up a high-stakes decision for a group that played a key role in easing the current speaker, John A. Boehner, into retirement and blocking Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s bid to succeed him.

The group reconvened in the evening to debate whether to abandon their previous endorsement of Rep. Daniel Webster (R-Fla.) in favor of Ryan, who signaled Tuesday that a Freedom Caucus endorsement would be a prerequisite to him agreeing to serve as speaker.
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Ryan’s declaration that he would serve as House speaker if and only if he receives formal backing from major House GOP factions — including the Freedom Caucus — effectively gave the group veto power over his ascent. It also exposed fissures in the typically close-knit caucus.

Some, citing Ryan’s demand to jettison the House rule allowing a simple majority to oust a speaker at virtually any time, said it would be nearly impossible for him to earn their support. Others argued that Ryan could be the type of transformative leader that House Republicans need.

The Freedom Caucus was also facing the prospect of further alienating the rest of the House GOP, and a potentially crippling loss of credibility, if it were to reject Ryan. Many mainstream conservatives saw Ryan as the best chance, maybe the only chance, to unite their fractious party.

“It would be an embarrassment to them” if the Freedom Caucus dismissed Ryan, said Rep. John Kline (R-Minn.), chairman of the Education and Workforce Committee. “What he’s doing is selfless.”

Ryan appeared to calm some nerves in the afternoon meeting, making clear that he did not want to end the ability of the House membership to remove the speaker — only change the procedures for doing so. He also gave reassurances that he would respect the “Hastert Rule” — the informal practice of former speaker J. Dennis Hastert that required the majority support of the Republican conference before moving legislation to the House floor.

Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) said Ryan agreed that legislation should be moved only with the support of the majority of the majority. In particular, he said, that calmed immigration hawks wary of Ryan’s past support for measures that would offer illegal immigrants a path to citizenship.

But Ryan faced a big challenge in getting the group’s endorsement, Brooks said: “Paul Ryan probably made some progress . . . but to get 80 percent of Freedom Caucus to switch from Daniel Webster?” he said. “It’s going to be difficult for Paul Ryan to shift that in two, three days.”

Ryan said little upon departing the afternoon meeting, calling the gathering an “exchange of ideas on how to make Congress work better.”

Earlier in the day, Boehner announced that Republicans will vote internally to nominate a speaker next Wednesday, with a floor vote to follow Thursday. The announcement was made after Ryan said Tuesday night that he would run for speaker only if his terms were met.

“This is not a job I’ve ever wanted, I’ve ever sought,” Ryan said. “I came to the conclusion that this is a very dire moment, not just for Congress, not just for the Republican Party, but for our country.”

Those demands include not only the endorsements and the rule changes, but also giving Ryan time with his young family.

By the time the meeting wrapped up Wednesday night, only a “small handful” of members had reservations, said Rep. Mick Mulvaney (R-S.C.), signaling that Ryan had secured the 218 House votes necessary to prevail in the floor vote.

“I think he satisfied many of us that he was going to change business as usual in Washington, D.C.,” Mulvaney said.

Another sticking point for Freedom Caucus members was their endorsement of Webster, which was made earlier this month and played a role in ending McCarthy’s bid for the speakership.

Webster’s focus on procedural reforms, honed during his years as speaker of the Florida House of Representatives, has won him an avid following among hard-liners who feel marginalized by the GOP’s establishment.

“You’ve got a bunch of alpha people in here,” said Rep. Paul A. Gosar (R-Ariz.), a Webster supporter. “You don’t need another alpha leader.”

Webster made clear Wednesday that he would not stand aside for Ryan: “People are responding to what I’m saying. They’re sick of how this place is run, of the dog-and-pony shows on committees. They want a return to bills from members being considered, rather than approving the leadership’s bills.”

But Ryan’s near-bulletproof reputation among conservatives as a visionary and policy expert allowed hard-liners to look past his 16-year congressional tenure and trust him in a way that they never trusted Boehner or McCarthy.

“We’ve got a little way to go,” Rep. Marlin A. Stutzman (R-Ind.) said during the Freedom Caucus deliberations. “But I’m willing to start those conversations because I trust Paul. He’s earned my trust. I’m willing to keep talking.”

Two other major GOP caucuses have yet to weigh in, but neither is seen as an obstacle to Ryan.

Ryan met Wednesday with the Republican Study Committee, a more mainstream conservative group that counts more than two-thirds of the Republican conference as members. Its members were surveyed by secret ballot Wednesday, and its steering committee is expected to decide Thursday whether to grant an endorsement.

Also Thursday, Ryan is set to meet with the centrist Tuesday Group, which is expected to embrace his speaker bid.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/supermajority-of-house-freedom-caucus-to-back-paul-ryans-speaker-bid/2015/10/21/d7411964-781e-11e5-a958-d889faf561dc_story.html
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No. Rage on impotently.

Or do like you want. Ignore the Party's Platform. Nothing but meaningless platitudes anyway designed to bring in the suckers. Go along to get along. Stand for nothing but instead be at the very least a passive participant in the destruction of the country you swore to protect and uphold. Oaths are only for public consumption anyway. Meaningless, really.  And never forget being an active participant will always get you a better press. Promises to constituents to defend the Constitution, rein in Leviathan, establish fiscal sanity, end the killing of the innocents? Fey, ya gotta do what ya gotta do to get that cushy job. Doesn't mean ya gotta actually do it when in office. Who came up with that anyway?

No, far better to be an unprincipled time server. Go for that excellent retirement package. Be a spineless wimp.

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Or do like you want. Ignore the Party's Platform. Nothing but meaningless platitudes anyway designed to bring in the suckers. Go along to get along. Stand for nothing but instead be at the very least a passive participant in the destruction of the country you swore to protect and uphold. Oaths are only for public consumption anyway. Meaningless, really.  And never forget being an active participant will always get you a better press. Promises to constituents to defend the Constitution, rein in Leviathan, establish fiscal sanity, end the killing of the innocents? Fey, ya gotta do what ya gotta do to get that cushy job. Doesn't mean ya gotta actually do it when in office. Who came up with that anyway?

No, far better to be an unprincipled time server. Go for that excellent retirement package. Be a spineless wimp.

It's the Once-Ler way.

You've got to remember that shills use terms like 'rage', 'impotence', 'crybabies', etc to both characterize the discussion in negative terms and to elicit corresponding responses from other posters.

That way they can drag the discussion down to their level and throw more poo...

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Or do like you want. Ignore the Party's Platform. Nothing but meaningless platitudes anyway designed to bring in the suckers. Go along to get along. Stand for nothing but instead be at the very least a passive participant in the destruction of the country you swore to protect and uphold. Oaths are only for public consumption anyway. Meaningless, really.  And never forget being an active participant will always get you a better press. Promises to constituents to defend the Constitution, rein in Leviathan, establish fiscal sanity, end the killing of the innocents? Fey, ya gotta do what ya gotta do to get that cushy job. Doesn't mean ya gotta actually do it when in office. Who came up with that anyway?

No, far better to be an unprincipled time server. Go for that excellent retirement package. Be a spineless wimp.

It's the Once-Ler way.

My way is compromise for incremental change to the right.  The Freedom Caucus is standing on principle(sometimes) and getting nothing or getting screwed.  Just like they got with the Speaker fiasco.  They wanted Boehner out but had no plan to replace him.  So they had to choose keep Boehner or take Ryan and a bunch of conditions.  BOHICA true conservatives. 

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My way is compromise for incremental change to the right.  The Freedom Caucus is standing on principle(sometimes) and getting nothing or getting screwed.  Just like they got with the Speaker fiasco.  They wanted Boehner out but had no plan to replace him.  So they had to choose keep Boehner or take Ryan and a bunch of conditions.  BOHICA true conservatives.

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"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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You would LOVE an omlet but are unwilling to break an egg to get one.
I'm willing to share the eggs with the rats, if they will give up some of their cheese.

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I'm willing to share the eggs with the rats, if they will give up some of their cheese.

But that is NOT what has been happening is it?  What HAS been happening is the rats get all the eggs and the cheese!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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But that is NOT what has been happening is it?  What HAS been happening is the rats get all the eggs and the cheese!

And the ratlings get the scraps. And the chickens and cows get absolute jack, as always.
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And the ratlings get the scraps. And the chickens and cows get absolute jack, as always.

Yep! Exactly!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

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Problem with lefties is they keep interfering in politics. They should learn to stick to what they are good at.  Fashion and interior design, music, painting, theater arts, stuff like that. Stay out of the deep end of politics.  No advice needed on defense and security, or economy. Education is entirely out.

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But that is NOT what has been happening is it?  What HAS been happening is the rats get all the eggs and the cheese!
I disagree.  When both parties have been able to cooperate we got sequestration and the now permanent Bush tax cuts. The problem is we have not been able to agree on much else but the rats have also gotten very little outside of our cooperation.  Obama has had to resort to EO many of those have been struck down by the courts or will be eventually.

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