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Should Jim Webb be included in next GOP debate?
« on: October 15, 2015, 03:31:42 am »
Jim Webb won many new fans with his performance in Tuesday night’s Democratic debate. The problem for him is that they’re mostly in the other party.

It’s true – GOP pundits and ordinary voters alike seemed surprisingly impressed by the former Democratic senator from Virginia. On social media, there was lots of speculation as to maybe, just maybe, Mr. Webb might decide to chuck this Democrat thing and cross over to run in the other side’s race.

“Republicans, let’s take a second look at Jim Webb,” ran the headline on a post at right-leaning RedState.

Why the enthusiasm? Republicans thought Webb sounded like a Republican, raised Republican issues, and talked tough, that’s why.

At the conservative National Review, Jim Geraghty wrote that Webb talked about the effect of affirmative action on poor whites, the need to respect gun owner rights, and the danger from threats Democrats don’t generally acknowledge, such as China. Webb told Bernie Sanders that Congress would be unlikely to vote to pay for all his expensive proposed social programs. In general, he seemed like an old-line Southern Democrat, said Mr. Geraghty.

“Webb has a good chance of winning the Democratic nomination in 1948. You almost have to wonder how Webb would be doing in the GOP presidential primary,” he wrote.

Then there was Webb’s closing-moment answer to Anderson Cooper’s question about what enemies the Democratic contenders were proudest they’d made. While most of the Dems on stage referred to lobbyists or other political actors, Webb’s was personal. A Marine officer who fought in Vietnam, Webb mentioned an enemy soldier who’d thrown a grenade that wounded him.

“He’s not around to talk to right now,” Webb said, pointedly.

Some pundits found this answer creepy. A presidential hopeful openly talking about killing a man during wartime, and giving a half-smile while doing so? Perhaps it was a bit jarring in the context.

But others thought it tough, and a reminder that Webb had served his country when called.

“There was probably a time when liberal voters would have been impressed by someone who had served his country so valiantly.... Twenty-five years ago he might have been a star,” wrote David Harsanyi in the right-leaning The Federalist. “Today? He’s a man completely out of touch with the philosophical temperament of his party.”

Webb’s real problem might be that he’s out of touch with both parties. In an era when partisanship has sorted Democrats and Republicans into relatively homogenous ideological groups, Webb is not easy to pin down.

He is conservative on many issues, and indeed, served President Ronald Reagan as a high-ranking Pentagon official. But at Tuesday’s debate, he also noted he’d have “no problem” with undocumented immigrants having access to Obamacare. On some economic issues, he is a populist closer to Bernie Sanders than Jeb Bush.

Still, if the GOP really wants the ratings for its next debate to explode, the Republican National Committee should invite Webb to participate on grounds of partial affinity. Imagine the ex-Marine dealing with Donald Trump’s half-answers on foreign policy. It could solve the party’s Trump problem, once and for all.

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Re: Should Jim Webb be included in next GOP debate?
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2015, 03:42:46 am »
I'd never vote for Webb simply because we need a GOP in the WH regardless of who is the nominee, but is there really much policy difference between him and Jeb Bush other than party affiliation and a few social issues?
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Re: Should Jim Webb be included in next GOP debate?
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2015, 03:50:30 am »
Couldn't tell you about Jeb - I don't know any of his policy positions and have no intention of learning because I can't support him no matter what - but Webb seemed VERY little different from a couple of the GOP also rans in the last couple of debates.  :shrug:

I've often said there are sane(ish) Liberals out there. It's just really unusual to see one!
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Re: Should Jim Webb be included in next GOP debate?
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2015, 04:05:44 am »
I'd never vote for Webb simply because we need a GOP in the WH regardless of who is the nominee, but is there really much policy difference between him and Jeb Bush other than party affiliation and a few social issues?
An examination of Webb's voting record should reveal why he is a democrat.

Since he's going nowhere (except paid speeches and TV appearances after this campaign, as "former democrat candidate for President") I am not going to do the research to learn the answer.
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Re: Should Jim Webb be included in next GOP debate?
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2015, 12:03:34 pm »
Ok...thought I had looked him up before, but did a briefcomparison of Bush and Webb.  Bush is considered a "populist" leaning Republican and Webb is considered a "moderate" liberal.  What is striking of course is that Webb is opposed to illegal immigration while Bush favors illegal immigration:

Webb is pro 2nd Amendment.  Bush is pro 2nd Amendment

Webb is opposed to pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens.   Bush favors a pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens.

Webb favors expanding the military.   Bush favors expanding the military.

Webb is comfortable with same sex marriage.  Bush is opposed with same sex marriage

Webb favors Obamacare.   Bush is opposed to expanding Obamacare (he's come up with his own government package).


http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/James_Webb.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Jeb_Bush.htm
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Re: Should Jim Webb be included in next GOP debate?
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2015, 02:53:19 pm »
Of all the LONES in that debate or lets see how much free stuff we are going to give away WEBB had a little sense?? He is not going anywhere because he is an old fashion DEM and cannot exist in the Looney BIN of the NEW Progressive Liberal Party. **nononono*

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Re: Should Jim Webb be included in next GOP debate?
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2015, 02:55:31 pm »
Didn't we already have a pervert in the White House?
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Re: Should Jim Webb be included in next GOP debate?
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2015, 06:26:50 pm »
A few years ago I bought Jim Webb's book Born Fighting: How the Scots-Irish Shaped America when studying my own family history. At the time I hadn't a clue what political party he sided with. But his words in that book, showed a huge pride in American values, Christian values,  the Constitution, and military tradition, and very noticeable respect for Republicans such as Reagan. I just assumed he was a Republican. I was taken back a bit when I found out he was a Democrat.

Though he is still a Democrat , but a Blue Dog Democrat a rare thing in that party these days. I would welcome him into the Republican Party if he chose to do so. He would probably be more right of center than some with an R already behind their name. But he would have to prove his conservative credentials to too many with too little time, to consider jumping sides to run as a Republican this year.   He would not stand a chance.     
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Re: Should Jim Webb be included in next GOP debate?
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2015, 07:19:01 pm »
A few years ago I bought Jim Webb's book Born Fighting: How the Scots-Irish Shaped America when studying my own family history. At the time I hadn't a clue what political party he sided with. But his words in that book, showed a huge pride in American values, Christian values,  the Constitution, and military tradition, and very noticeable respect for Republicans such as Reagan. I just assumed he was a Republican. I was taken back a bit when I found out he was a Democrat.

Though he is still a Democrat , but a Blue Dog Democrat a rare thing in that party these days. I would welcome him into the Republican Party if he chose to do so. He would probably be more right of center than some with an R already behind their name. But he would have to prove his conservative credentials to too many with too little time, to consider jumping sides to run as a Republican this year.   He would not stand a chance.   

I was under the impression that that "leftists" were just as disgruntled with the DEM party as the "right" is with the REP party and I would have thought that just maybe some of the liberal leftist mental midgets had finally seen the light and would have welcomed someone with a sense of patriotism and pride in their country.  But nah, people would rather vote for a criminal or a socialist. 
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Re: Should Jim Webb be included in next GOP debate?
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2015, 07:54:14 pm »
A few years ago I bought Jim Webb's book Born Fighting: How the Scots-Irish Shaped America when studying my own family history. At the time I hadn't a clue what political party he sided with. But his words in that book, showed a huge pride in American values, Christian values,  the Constitution, and military tradition, and very noticeable respect for Republicans such as Reagan. I just assumed he was a Republican. I was taken back a bit when I found out he was a Democrat.

Though he is still a Democrat , but a Blue Dog Democrat a rare thing in that party these days. I would welcome him into the Republican Party if he chose to do so. He would probably be more right of center than some with an R already behind their name. But he would have to prove his conservative credentials to too many with too little time, to consider jumping sides to run as a Republican this year.   He would not stand a chance.   
I think I have that book, and should read it. I already know some of the story from other study.

There have been two major great waves of immigration from Ireland to North America.

The first was during the 1700s and comprised mainly Protestants, from Northern Ireland. Most had come across from Scotland in earlier generations. In the Americas they called themselves "Irish." The term "Scots-Irish" did not exist.

The later great wave was during the 1800s, mainly from Catholics from all over Ireland. They were not widely liked in America, for they were poor, illiterate, some spoke Gaelic, etc. There came to be signs on businesses which read "Irish Need Not Apply."

So those (Protestant) people from the earlier wave started calling themselves "Scots-Irish" to distinguish themselves from the "undesirable mere Irish."

Webb is writing about the earlier ones, who settled predominantly from Pennsylvania southward, fought in the Revolution, pioneered the movement westward, etc.

People that are today referred to as "Scots-Irish" also included people from Northern England, including the borders region. I know the names Nixon and Johnson are from the borders, a tough bunch not taking kindly to much governing, in history. Called "Reivers," they were.

Here is an excellent book, which goes beyond just "scots-irish" subjects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albion%27s_Seed

And the Reivers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Reivers#Border_.27names.27_and_clan_status
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Re: Should Jim Webb be included in next GOP debate?
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2015, 08:08:19 pm »
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Re: Should Jim Webb be included in next GOP debate?
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Must admit - I straight up wondered if he'd wandered into the wrong hall by accident.
LOL....I wondered if I was hearing correctly when I heard his answers. Thought maybe the Black Velvet had kicked in to much!!!!