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The Hill: GOP plunges into identity crisis
« on: October 10, 2015, 01:28:43 pm »
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/256582-gop-plunges-into-identity-crisis

 By Scott Wong and Peter Schroeder - 10/10/15 06:00 AM EDT

The Republican Party is having an identity crisis.

Donald Trump and other outsiders are thumping establishment candidates in the GOP presidential primary. Conservative rebels on Capitol Hill forced Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) into retirement. And this week, the rebels claimed the scalp of Boehner's top deputy, Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), who bowed out of the race for Speaker after they issued harsh demands of him.

With the Grand Old Party scrambling for new leadership, many lawmakers say it’s time for Republicans to take a long, hard look at how it reached this point.

“We're going through a hell of a lot of turbulence right now, and I think our party has to make a determination: Do we want to govern or do we want to protest?” said Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), a leader of the centrist GOP caucus known as the Tuesday Group.

The intraparty warfare playing out on the presidential campaign trail and on the Hill reflects deep-seated frustration. Republicans hold both chambers of Congress, yet have been unable to advance a conservative agenda with a Democrat still in the White House.

“Congress is representative of the American psyche. Right now, we're dysfunctional. America’s dysfunctional,” said Rep. Dennis Ross (R-Fla.), a backer of Jeb Bush’s presidential bid who had been running for majority whip until McCarthy’s stunning implosion.

“Trump is gaining in the polls with more negative behavior, but the American people are clinging to that because they want to see some type of leadership,” Ross added. “Unfortunately we're not seeing positive leadership.”

On Capitol Hill, much of the fight boils down to tactics. The House Freedom Caucus, a bloc of roughly 40 conservative rebels, wants to fight for sweeping change like the repeal of ObamaCare, the end of Planned Parenthood funding and the abolishment of the Export-Import Bank.

Many of Boehner’s allies in the House want to play small ball, strategically passing packages of bills that could clear the 60-vote threshold in the Senate and make it to President Obama’s desk. Many of the Freedom Caucus’s ideas couldn’t overcome a Democratic-led filibuster in the upper chamber, the allies contend.

“We all have a fairly common vision,” said Republican Study Committee Chairman Bill Flores (R-Texas), who’s mulling a bid for Speaker. “Sometimes we have disagreement on how you get there.”

But pursuing a politically unrealistic agenda is harming the GOP’s chances to take back the White House in 2016, some Republicans argue.

“We've been given a historic opportunity with a historic majority in the House and Senate,” said Rep. Martha McSally (R-Ariz.), who represents a swing district that sits on the border with Mexico. “The American people are looking for us to govern. They feel like they just gave more power to Republicans, and they are waiting to see if we are going to be good stewards of that.”

With McCarthy making an unexpected exit from the Speaker’s race, all eyes turned to popular Ways and Means Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), seen by many as the only one with the gravitas, experience and communication skills to bring together the fractured 247-member conference.

But several Republicans warned that the party needed to get its house in order before installing another Speaker. Boehner has vowed to stay on until a successor is elected.

"We've got to do some introspection in regards to what we want and what's realistic in terms of what a Speaker can deliver," said Rep. Richard Nugent (R-Fla.), a former sheriff who’s clashed with Boehner in the past. "Until that's resolved, rushing into just having another vote, I think, is a mistake."

Both Nugent and Ross were swept into office in the 2010 Tea Party wave that handed the GOP control of the House and elected a bumper crop of deficit-slashing rabble rousers. The party is still going through growing pains half a decade later, Ross said.

The cycle usually plays out like this: Facing a fast-approaching deadline, GOP leaders try to find a common solution with conservatives; the caucus splinters, leaders are forced to cut a deal with Democrats, and the hard right erupts.

Now, House Republicans are left wondering whether they change the way they do business — in a way that allows for disagreement, while giving every member a chance to be heard.

"With all due respect to Paul [Ryan] … we're setting the next Speaker up for failure if we don't have a consensus process in place," Ross said.

To many Freedom Caucus members, real change would look like this: ending the culture of punishment for those who don’t toe the line, barring GOP leaders from supporting primary challenges to sitting members, allowing more input about who gets committee gavels, and bringing more bills to the floor.

“If you follow the rules, take power away from the few people at the top, and give it to the members,” said Freedom Caucus Chairman Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), “you’ve got a lot better chance of accomplishing what we told the voters we were going to do.”

But GOP moderates, who feel like their voices are being drowned out by a vocal minority, are skeptical there are process fixes that can heal the party divisions.

"When you're’ dealing with 240 plus voices, how does every voice get heard on every issue to their satisfaction?" asked Rep. Pat Meehan (R-Pa.).
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Re: The Hill: GOP plunges into identity crisis
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2015, 01:43:55 pm »

"Donald Trump and other outsiders are thumping establishment candidates in the GOP presidential primary. Conservative rebels on Capitol Hill forced Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) into retirement. And this week, the rebels claimed the scalp of Boehner's top deputy, Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), who bowed out of the race for Speaker after they issued harsh demands of him."

Ridiculous. These are not "rebels." They're members of Congress who represent a significant majority of constituents who want change in GOP leadership and direction. The hill.com should get a clue.

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Re: The Hill: GOP plunges into identity crisis
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2015, 02:10:00 pm »
"Donald Trump and other outsiders are thumping establishment candidates in the GOP presidential primary. Conservative rebels on Capitol Hill forced Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) into retirement. And this week, the rebels claimed the scalp of Boehner's top deputy, Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), who bowed out of the race for Speaker after they issued harsh demands of him."

Ridiculous. These are not "rebels." They're members of Congress who represent a significant majority of constituents who want change in GOP leadership and direction. The hill.com should get a clue.

They do not represent a majority of GOP constituents in any sense. 

The Republican voter population of those 40 House districts do not come anywhere near the population of GOP voters in the districts of the other 200+ GOP members... let alone the population of all US voters.
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Re: The Hill: GOP plunges into identity crisis
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2015, 02:18:55 pm »
They do not represent a majority of GOP constituents in any sense. 

The Republican voter population of those 40 House districts do not come anywhere near the population of GOP voters in the districts of the other 200+ GOP members... let alone the population of all US voters.

I look to the national polls for support. Many, many constituents of moderate (establishment) representatives agree with the "rebels."  Look at the polls for national voter attitudes on this issue.

I'm afraid your unidimensional analysis lacks accuracy.

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Re: The Hill: GOP plunges into identity crisis
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2015, 02:34:47 pm »
However one characterizes this, it boils down to a clear minority.

If the GOP plus leaners is 1/2 of the country, and the Freedom Caucus is 16% of the total GOP delegation, that is 8% of the country. Therefore it is reasonable to say they represent less than 10%.

 
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Re: The Hill: GOP plunges into identity crisis
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2015, 02:34:47 pm »
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But GOP moderates, who feel like their voices are being drowned out by a vocal minority, are skeptical there are process fixes that can heal the party divisions.

Hopefully the GOP "moderates" (and that's being kind) will stop whining long enough to remember that the majority they hold in the Senate and the House was given to them by GOP conservatives--and what has been given can be taken back.


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Re: The Hill: GOP plunges into identity crisis
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2015, 02:43:55 pm »
Hopefully the GOP "moderates" (and that's being kind) will stop whining long enough to remember that the majority they hold in the Senate and the House was given to them by GOP conservatives--and what has been given can be taken back.

I'd have to say that our success in 2014 stemmed more from the fact that Democrats tend not to vote in mid-term elections.

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Re: The Hill: GOP plunges into identity crisis
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2015, 03:01:16 pm »
I'd have to say that our success in 2014 stemmed more from the fact that Democrats tend not to vote in mid-term elections.

I have to say based on the urgency driving the Republican voters, I disagree.  2014 wasn't an election, it was restraining order.

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Re: The Hill: GOP plunges into identity crisis
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2015, 08:08:38 pm »
I have to say based on the urgency driving the Republican voters, I disagree.  2014 wasn't an election, it was restraining order.

Great line! Restraining order!

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Re: The Hill: GOP plunges into identity crisis
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2015, 02:00:51 am »
The Hill:
GOP plunges into identity crisis

The GOP indeed faces "an identity crisis".

It no longer seems to be able to identify with its base -- and with the traditions and ideas which are embraced by that base.

Unless and until it can re-establish such ties, it's condemned to an uncertain future, in which political victories may be tenuous at best, and out-of-reach otherwise...