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Furious Boehner allies lash out
« on: September 27, 2015, 12:31:22 am »
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/255026-furious-boehner-allies-lash-out

By Cristina Marcos - 09/26/15 06:00 AM EDT

Allies of Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio) are infuriated with the right wing of the House GOP conference, which they blame for his resignation.

GOP lawmakers who’ve stood by Boehner’s side throughout his rocky five-year tenure as Speaker bitterly blamed the right flank for forcing a contested leadership race less than a year after the party won control of Congress in the 2014 midterm elections.

A fired-up House Ethics Committee Chairman Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), speaking not long after Boehner dropped the bombshell at a Friday conference meeting that he’ll leave Congress at the end of next month, ripped into hard-line conservatives.

He accused them of opposing Boehner at every turn, and noted they have “never had a horse of their own.”

“Any jackass can kick down a barn door. It takes a carpenter to hang one. We need a few more carpenters around here. Everybody knows it,” Dent said off the House floor.

Leadership allies are frustrated by what they see as a repeated exercise in futility.

They argue that the lawmakers who repeatedly tangled with Boehner aren’t team players, and they said a new leadership team shouldn’t cater to them.

Boehner repeatedly saw conservatives vote against the GOP rules governing debate on legislation. Those votes are supposed to be tests of party loyalty.

They also argue Boehner repeatedly bent to conservative critics on spending issues, only to see them stab him in the back.

“Frankly, I thought our leadership in too many cases has been too accommodating, too quick to appease those who will not govern,” Dent said. “They give far too much procedural consideration to those who will not vote for the bills at the end of the process. That’s going to end. We’ve had enough of that.”

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), a member of Boehner’s inner circle, suggested a new leadership team should implement new conference rules that would make the chamber more functional.

“You just can’t continue to have a super-ultra-minority continue to try to dictate what happens in the House of Representatives. It’s a big problem,” Nunes said.

Boehner said Friday that he wanted the House to avoid the drama of voting on a motion authored by conservative rebel Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) to oust him as Speaker.

He insisted he would have survived the vote if it had taken place.

“Listen, it was never about the vote, all right? There was never any doubt about whether I could survive the vote. But I don’t want my members to have to go through this and I certainly don’t want the institution to go through this,” Boehner said at a Capitol news conference.

Others weren’t so sure. Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R-Kansas) told reporters outside the GOP conference room that he didn’t believe Boehner had the votes to survive.

Boehner’s move is expected to allow Congress to pass a short-term spending bill that would prevent a government shutdown next week.

Rep. David Jolly (R-Fla.) referred to the group of hardliners who had been making demands of Boehner in that fight as the “shutdown caucus.”

“Those within our party who insist on continuing to divide us and shut down the government, they can take a small victory today. It's unfortunate,” Jolly said.

The hardliners who pressured Boehner to step down will likely play an influential role in the leadership shakeup.

House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) appears to be in the strongest position to succeed Boehner as Speaker. Many other lawmakers are already gauging support from colleagues to run for majority leader and whip.

The House Freedom Caucus, which is comprised of about 40 conservative lawmakers who’ve frequently opposed Boehner, plans to meet with each leadership candidate before offering endorsements.

Rep. Mick Mulvaney (R-S.C.), a founding member of the Freedom Caucus, acknowledged that they likely won’t have the votes to install one of their own into the leadership hierarchy. But the Freedom Caucus expects they’ll have the power to sway who can win.

“I don’t think that the conservative wing of the party has enough mass to get one of our own elected. We certainly have enough mass to influence the outcome,” Mulvaney said.
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Re: Furious Boehner allies lash out
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2015, 01:01:06 am »
More fun from the "burn it down" conservative caucus.   

Kevin McCarthy will be elected as Speaker and this nonsense will continue. That's what they want.

They want the issues.  They don't want to try to win, because they can't.  They just want the issues so they can keep their angry constituents fired up and ready to vote for them.

If their sycophants find out that they can't deliver either......well......they'd be toast too.
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Re: Furious Boehner allies lash out
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2015, 01:02:41 am »
Sniff. Aw, poor guys. They can play hardball, but conservatives can't. Screw 'em.
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2015, 01:07:41 am »
Sniff. Aw, poor guys. They can play hardball, but conservatives can't. Screw 'em.

Conservatives can play hardball?  WHo are they going to put up to run for Speaker?

Nobody.  Cuz they don't have anybody who could possibly win.   Jeb Hensarling says no.

You clowns want the issue of a Speaker who won't listen to you.  A goofball like Louie Gohmert couldn't get anything done either.
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2015, 01:18:09 am »
Conservatives can play hardball?  WHo are they going to put up to run for Speaker?

Nobody.  Cuz they don't have anybody who could possibly win.   Jeb Hensarling says no.

You clowns want the issue of a Speaker who won't listen to you.  A goofball like Louie Gohmert couldn't get anything done either.

Yeah right. The old Leftist hack of laying down all these conditions before getting rid of something (like healthcare) is nothing but bloated bloviating puffery.

First off, it forces the do-nothing to come up with a compromise candidate who will be more aggressive and play some chess. They love coalitioning and bipartisanship right?
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2015, 01:22:29 am »
Yeah right. The old Leftist hack of laying down all these conditions before getting rid of something (like healthcare) is nothing but bloated bloviating puffery.

First off, it forces the do-nothing to come up with a compromise candidate who will be more aggressive and play some chess. They love coalitioning and bipartisanship right?

McCarthy has the votes to win. There will be no compromise candidate.
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2015, 01:28:08 am »
McCarthy has the votes to win. There will be no compromise candidate.

McCarthy will be on notice then...
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2015, 01:29:37 am »
Yeah right. The old Leftist hack of laying down all these conditions before getting rid of something (like healthcare) is nothing but bloated bloviating puffery.

First off, it forces the do-nothing to come up with a compromise candidate who will be more aggressive and play some chess. They love coalitioning and bipartisanship right?

And on the other hand it does give the continuously outraged another reason to pretend only they know the truth.

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Re: Furious Boehner allies lash out
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2015, 01:36:48 am »
McCarthy has the votes to win. There will be no compromise candidate.
Quick question: does this require majority of Republicans, or majority of the entire body? If it's the latter, this assertion is nowhere near certain.

But then again, partisan politics generally means these things are already orchestrated.


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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2015, 01:40:00 am »
McCarthy will be on notice then...

Yes. Always niggling, prodding, but never leading.  That's what the far-right is about. 

A burr under the saddle, but never riding in the saddle.
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2015, 01:41:09 am »
Quick question: does this require majority of Republicans, or majority of the entire body? If it's the latter, this assertion is nowhere near certain.

But then again, partisan politics generally means these things are already orchestrated.


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A majority of the entire body.  McCarthy will win this hands down.
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2015, 01:45:43 am »
My only concern is this: how badly will this affect the 2016 elections?

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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2015, 02:04:28 am »
The House Freedom Caucus, which is comprised of about 40 conservative lawmakers who’ve frequently opposed Boehner, plans to meet with each leadership candidate before offering endorsements.

So, those that finagled a way to get Boehner out... have no plan to try and take charge.  In essence, they just plan to reject every candidate that decides to run.

This is an example of political anarchy.  Pulling down the government with no plan for anything afterward.

When did *THIS* become the GOP base?


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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2015, 02:23:36 am »
The House Freedom Caucus, which is comprised of about 40 conservative lawmakers who’ve frequently opposed Boehner, plans to meet with each leadership candidate before offering endorsements.

So, those that finagled a way to get Boehner out... have no plan to try and take charge.  In essence, they just plan to reject every candidate that decides to run.

This is an example of political anarchy.  Pulling down the government with no plan for anything afterward.

When did *THIS* become the GOP base?



The do-nothings have no plan to lead or take charge. Just scream 'we gotta make a deal!' before Obama's done with his policy speech.

How 'bout making the guy veto something? Oh no, they're too scared of the media for that.
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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2015, 02:44:54 am »
The do-nothings have no plant to lead or take charge. Just scream 'we gotta make a deal!' before Obama's done with his policy speech.

How 'bout making the guy veto something? Oh no, they're too scared of the media for that.

All republicans run as conservatives in order to get elected but many forget all that once they are elected. They like the inside the beltway game just like it is and have no intention whatever of changing it!

Those are the one's we need to weed out. One down and many more to go!
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« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2015, 02:46:25 am »
Conservatives can play hardball?  WHo are they going to put up to run for Speaker?

Nobody.  Cuz they don't have anybody who could possibly win.   Jeb Hensarling says no.

You clowns want the issue of a Speaker who won't listen to you.  A goofball like Louie Gohmert couldn't get anything done either.

Louis Gohmert has forgotten more than you will ever know!
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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2015, 03:23:41 am »
The do-nothings have no plan to lead or take charge. Just scream 'we gotta make a deal!' before Obama's done with his policy speech.

How 'bout making the guy veto something? Oh no, they're too scared of the media for that.

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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2015, 03:35:24 am »
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
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And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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“When we wear out our minds, stubbornly clinging to one partial view of things, refusing to see a deeper agreement between this and its complimentary opposite, we have what is called “three in the morning.”

What is this “three in the morning?”

A monkey trainer went to his monkeys and told them:

“As regards your chestnuts: you are going to have three measures in the morning and four in the afternoon.”

At this they all became angry.  So he said: “All right, in that case I will give you four in the morning and three in the afternoon.”  This time they were satisfied.

The two arrangements were the same in that the number of chestnuts did not change.  But in one case the animals were displeased, and in the other they were satisfied.  The keeper had been willing to change his personal arrangement in order to meet objective conditions.  He lost nothing by it!

The truly wise man, considering both sides of the question without partiality, sees them both in the light of Tao.

This is called following two courses at once.

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Re: Furious Boehner allies lash out
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2015, 02:02:43 pm »
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“Listen, it was never about the vote, all right? There was never any doubt about whether I could survive the vote. But I don’t want my members to have to go through this and I certainly don’t want the institution to go through this,” Boehner said at a Capitol news conference.

:bs:  With his leaving there will be vote anyway and his precious institution will go through it anyway.  I'd bet there was a big doubt about whether Boehner could survive the vote.


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« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2015, 02:32:14 pm »
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