Ben Carson Edging Close to Front-Runner Trump in Latest Iowa Poll

[Fishrrman]

Excellent analysis in post 18 above!

[Carling]

So you think it's got to be Trump or Cruz, both of whom would lose Hispanics and women in major numbers.

I think any Republican can capitalize on the prevarications and dishonesty of Hillary Clinton, as she will be the nominee.  She is fatally flawed and will lose independents in massive numbers.

Where did he say it had to be either Trump or Cruz?  You are arguing things that no one but you is posting.

[Scottftlc]

So you think it's got to be Trump or Cruz, both of whom would lose Hispanics and women in major numbers.

I think any Republican can capitalize on the prevarications and dishonesty of Hillary Clinton, as she will be the nominee.  She is fatally flawed and will lose independents in massive numbers.

I don't know who I think it is going to be...I can only say who I am certain it will not be.  It will not be Bush and it will not be Kasich (it won't be Christie or Huckabee or Jindal either, but that sort of goes without saying). They are fatally flawed for reasons both entirely different and somewhat similar to Hillary.  It is wide open and perhaps we don't even know all the candidates yet.

I will say this however...if pandering to the Hispanic vote and assuming the women's vote must be monolithic are the deciding factors (you list those prominently above), then the race is doomed to failure anyway. Hispanics and left-wing women are far too socialist in political philosophy to ever move to the Republican side...unless the Republican side joins the Democrats and embraces their socialist philosophy.

[sinkspur]

My entire point was that 61% of Iowan GOP members now view Trump favorably.  If that trend continues in other states, then sinkspur's apparently made up number of 75% of primary voters not ever voting for Trump is even more suspect.

75% of GOP voters are not insider, "high information" voters...like Democrats they vote in national elections on feel...so on this point I think you are very, very wrong.

Well, obviously, I think those who are supporting Trump are the ones voting on "feel."  The ones who support other candidates like their issues or that they're not a blowhard Democrat liar.

Trumpians are gullible, easily sucked in by a personality. That they don't care what he proposes or believes reminds me of the guy who gets in a cab and says "Take me some place good."

[sinkspur]

My entire point was that 61% of Iowan GOP members now view Trump favorably.  If that trend continues in other states, then sinkspur's apparently made up number of 75% of primary voters not ever voting for Trump is even more suspect.

If 61% of Iowa voters really like Trump, why doesn't he have 61% of the Republican caucus support?

Favorability does not equal a vote.  I like Rand Paul, but would never vote for him. 

[sinkspur]

Where did he say it had to be either Trump or Cruz?  You are arguing things that no one but you is posting.

Scottific seems to be arguing that it's got to be bomb thrower.  Those are the only two in the GOP field.

Most Republicans, in my view, will NOT vote for a bomb thrower.  I will not, under any circumstances.

[Right_in_Virginia]

75% of the GOP aren't fooled by this charlatan.

With all due respect....your assertion is nonsense at best, fabrication at worst.

I don't know where you live, but if it's near NYC, I suggest you visit the Trump2016 shop in the Trump Towers.  Republicans, Independents, Democrats are standing in line for a "Make America Great Again" visor.  (And, yes, I have mine--in red )

[bkepley]

Scottific seems to be arguing that it's got to be bomb thrower.  Those are the only two in the GOP field.

Most Republicans, in my view, will NOT vote for a bomb lthrower.  I will not, under any circumstances.

Bomb throwers indeed.  The new Right sounds like the old left.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Trumpians are gullible, easily sucked in by a personality.   

Whatever helps you sleep nights.   

[sinkspur]

With all due respect....your assertion is nonsense at best, fabrication at worst.

I don't know where you live, but if it's near NYC, I suggest you visit the Trump2016 shop in the Trump Towers.  Republicans, Independents, Democrats are standing in line for a "Make America Great Again" visor.  (And, yes, I have mine--in red )

So now our gauge for Trumpian support is who is buying Trump's Chinese-made crap. 

And you call my assertion nonsense. 

Trump is now supporting tax increases. He supports Planned Parenthood, and thinks it's a great idea to spend $300 billion rounding up and shipping 11 billion illegals across the border to who-the-hell-knows-where?

Do you Trump supporters actually know what this clown is proposing?

[Scottftlc]

Scottific seems to be arguing that it's got to be bomb thrower.  Those are the only two in the GOP field.

Most Republicans, in my view, will NOT vote for a bomb thrower.  I will not, under any circumstances.

Bomb thrower is your own definition. I believe it will need to be someone who will fight and go on the attack against social and political "norms" and biases...such as political correctness and the political sclerosis that comes from uber-money and crony capitalism.  Someone who will both take on the established media and go over their heads.  A McConnell, Boehner, Bush or Kasich type will be spit out by the voters for being lukewarm (to torture a bible phrase). If that means a bomb thrower...label away.

[sinkspur]

Whatever helps you sleep nights.   

I sleep great at night, knowing I will never vote for Donald Trump, even if he is the GOP nominee.

[sinkspur]

Bomb thrower is your own definition. I believe it will need to be someone who will fight and go on the attack against social and political "norms" and biases...such as political correctness and the political sclerosis that comes from uber-money and crony capitalism.  Someone who will both take on the established media and go over their heads.  A McConnell, Boehner, Bush or Kasich type will be spit out by the voters for being lukewarm (to torture a bible phrase). If that means a bomb thrower...label away.

Yes, a bomb thrower who refuses to renounce Planned Parenthood even when shown videos that prove full fetal post-birth abortion, who wants to raise taxes, and who somehow thinks the American public would support paying for rounding up 11 million illegals and shipping them..........where? 

It doesn't matter what he proposes, does it? As long as he proposes it strongly, crudely, and often.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I sleep great at night, knowing I will never vote for Donald Trump, even if he is the GOP nominee.

Good.

[libertybele]

Well, obviously, I think those who are supporting Trump are the ones voting on "feel."  The ones who support other candidates like their issues or that they're not a blowhard Democrat liar.

Trumpians are gullible, easily sucked in by a personality. That they don't care what he proposes or believes reminds me of the guy who gets in a cab and says "Take me some place good."

Trump supporters are voting on issues; the primary one being a non-establishment candidate and the second big issue being illegal immigration. He has also touched on issues of the economy and China. Trump hit a nerve with the public; not just GOP voters, but independents and DEMS. 

Whether you like Trump or not he has managed to take on the anti-establishment and media at the same time.  Obviously there hasn't been much focus on the other candidates because he has dominated the media and that's a good thing...he has taken the heat off of them. 

The next debate will be on September 16 and I have a hunch that it will get the same attention as the first debate.

[bkepley]

You guys can whine and squall all you want but the truth is as long as a demagogue shoves a sacrifice your way you will love it.

[sinkspur]

Trump supporters are voting on issues; the primary one being a non-establishment candidate and the second big issue being illegal immigration. He has also touched on issues of the economy and China. Trump hit a nerve with the public; not just GOP voters, but independents and DEMS. 

Whether you like Trump or not he has managed to take on the anti-establishment and media at the same time.  Obviously there hasn't been much focus on the other candidates because he has dominated the media and that's a good thing...he has taken the heat off of them. 

The next debate will be on September 16 and I have a hunch that it will get the same attention as the first debate.

You are being played. I hope and pray you realize that sooner rather than later.

[speekinout]

I sleep great at night, knowing I will never vote for Donald Trump, even if he is the GOP nominee.

If the general election is between hillary & Trump, you won't vote for Trump even though that means hillary would more likely be next President?

[sinkspur]

If the general election is between hillary & Trump, you won't vote for Trump even though that means hillary would more likely be next President?

When the choice is between two Democrats, I choose to vote for neither.

[libertybele]

As for Carson rising in the polls;  He has absolutely no political experience.  No business experience.  His rise in the polls only shows the disdain that the American public has for the political establishment/ aka Washington cartel.

[speekinout]

When the choice is between two Democrats, I choose to vote for neither.

Just hypothetically, if the two members of the dim party were a true socialist vs. a liberal leaning moderate, you would still not express a choice?

[sinkspur]

Just hypothetically, if the two members of the dim party were a true socialist vs. a liberal leaning moderate, you would still not express a choice?

There is no such thing as a liberal-leaning moderate. That's a liberal.

I'm not going to vote for Trump, OK.  Not any way, not any how.

[EdinVA]

There is no such thing as a liberal-leaning moderate. That's a liberal.

I'm not going to vote for Trump, OK.  Not any way, not any how.

No one has tried to convince you to vote for Trump, they are just defending their posts from your never ending assaults.
If you don't want to vote, don't.
But would you please post something different than the previous monotonous hundreds of posts?
We got it, you hate trump...

[Bigun]

No one has tried to convince you to vote for Trump, they are just defending their posts from your never ending assaults.
If you don't want to vote, don't.
But would you please post something different than the previous monotonous hundreds of posts?
We got it, you hate trump...

Trump is just the latest on his hate parade. Let's cut to the chase and realize that he hates anyone and anything that isn't 100% GOPe certified!

[libertybele]

You are being played. I hope and pray you realize that sooner rather than later.

I never said I am a Trump fan or supporter; all I have simply stated is that he has taken the focus off of the other candidates.  I view that as a good thing considering how it was the MSM the crucified Palin when McCain was running and they had a field day with Gingrich.  GOPe candidates have run the past two elections and lost.  There is no doubt that people are sick and tired of the Washington establishment.  The voters handed the majority to the GOP establishment and those elected officials have done nothing.  Quite the opposite ... McConnell and Boehner have chosen to side with the DEMS.

The only ones being played are those that believe that there is a difference between the GOP establishment and the DEMS; in fact they've been played for decades.

I would rather take my chances with Trump than with Bush or Christie as both represent continuing in the same destructive direction AND granting amnesty.  This country cannot continue on the same pathway and survive period.

I am a huge Cruz supporter and I feel he has more to offer this country and is more qualified than any of the other candidates.