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George F. Will: Trump May Ruin Chance For GOP President
« on: August 26, 2015, 11:11:58 pm »
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Every sulfurous belch from the molten interior of the volcanic Trump phenomenon injures the chances of a Republican presidency. After Donald Trump finishes plastering a snarling face on conservatism, any GOP nominee will face a dauntingly steep climb to reach even the paltry numbers that doomed Mitt Romney.

It is perhaps quixotic to try to distract Trump's supporters with facts, which their leader, who is no stickler for dignity, considers beneath him. Still, consider these:

The white percentage of the electorate has been shrinking for decades and will be 2 points smaller in 2016 than in 2012. In 2008, Barack Obama became the first president elected while losing the white vote by double digits.

In 2012, Hispanics, the nation's largest minority, were for the first time a double-digit (10%) portion of the electorate. White voters were nearly 90% of Romney's vote. In 1988, George H.W. Bush won 59% of the white vote, translating into 426 electoral votes.

Twenty-four years later, Romney won 59% of the white vote and just 206 electoral votes. He lost the nonwhite vote by 63 points, receiving just 17% of it. If the Republicans' 2016 nominee does not do better than Romney did among nonwhite voters, he will need 65% of the white vote, which was last achieved by Ronald Reagan when carrying 49 states in 1984.

Romney did even slightly worse among Asian-Americans — the fastest-growing minority — than among Hispanics. Evidently minorities generally detected Republican ambivalence, even animus about them. This was before Trump began receiving rapturous receptions because he obliterates inhibitions about venting hostility.

Trump is indifferent to those conservative tenets (e.g., frugality: He welcomed Obama's stimulus) to which he is not hostile (e.g., property rights: He adored the Supreme Court's Kelo decision vastly expanding government's power of eminent domain).

So, his appeal must derive primarily from his views about immigration. Including legal immigration, concerning which he favors a "pause."

Some simply find Trump entertainingly naughty. Others, however, have remarkable cognitive dissonance. They properly execrate Obama's executive highhandedness that expresses progressivism's traditional disdain for the separation of powers that often makes government action difficult.

But these same Trumpkins simultaneously despise GOP congressional leaders because they do not somehow jettison the separation of powers and work conservatism's unimpeded will from Capitol Hill.

For conservatives, this is the dispiriting irony: The administrative state's intrusiveness (e.g., its regulatory burdens), irrationalities (the tax code's toll on economic growth), incompetence (Amtrak, ethanol, etc.) and illegality (we see you, IRS) may benefit the principal architect of this state, the Democratic Party.

This is because the other party's talented critics of the administrative state are being drowned out by Trump's discovery that Americans disgusted by government can be beguiled by a summons to Caesarism.

Trump, who uses the first-person singular pronoun even more than Obama, promises that constitutional arrangements need be no impediment to the leader's savvy, "management" brilliance and iron will. Trump supporters consider the presidency today an entry-level job because he is available to turn government into a triumph of the leader's will.

This is hardly the first time we have heard America singing lyrics like those of Trump's curdled populism. Alabama Democrat George Wallace four times ran for president with salvos against Washington's "briefcase-totin' bureaucrats who can't even park their bicycles straight." What is new is Trump promising, in the name of strength, to put America into a defensive crouch against "cunning" Mexicans and others.

Republicans are the party of growth or they are superfluous. The other party relishes allocating scarcities — full employment for the administrative state. Trump assumes a zero-sum society, where one person's job is another's loss. Hence his rage against other nations' "stealing" our jobs.

In 2011, when Trump was a voluble "birther" — Obama wasn't born in America, so he's an illegitimate president — an interviewer asked if he had people "searching in Hawaii" for facts. "Absolutely," Trump said. "They can't believe what they're finding."

Trump reticence is rare, but he has never shared those findings. He now says, in effect: Oh, never mind.

If in November 2016, the fragments of an ever smaller and more homogenous GOP might be picked up with tweezers, Trump, having taken his act elsewhere, will look back over his shoulder at the wreckage he wrought and say: Oh, never mind.

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Re: George F. Will: Trump May Ruin Chance For GOP President
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2015, 11:16:17 pm »
George Will is a great writer and expert on baseball.  I have great respect for him on that subject.

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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2015, 11:22:34 pm »
George Will is a great writer and expert on baseball.  I have great respect for him on that subject.

I have great respect for Trump on the subject of media manipulation.

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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2015, 11:28:32 pm »
George Will is a great writer and expert on baseball.  I have great respect for him on that subject.

LOL!  Talk about damning with faint praise....a left-handed compliment. 

He's forgetting about all the Democrat cross-over votes who are also sick and tired of their party.

We don't have a monopoly on that, I think.    :laugh:
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2015, 11:44:56 pm »
Will's wife works for Walker.
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2015, 12:03:05 am »
There will be no more George Will's opinion columns posted in the Opinions Thread.  He joins the ranks of RINOs and Trump Haters.    (sarc)
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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2015, 12:36:06 am »
George Will is a great writer and expert on baseball.  I have great respect for him on that subject.

He's also an astute political commentator, in the same class with Charles Krauthammer.

Donald Trump is a self-glorifying charlatan who has suckered a significant number of conservatives with his siren song of "we'll take care of 'those' people." 

And there is the real probability that, after Trump crashes and burns, the GOP will be tarred with his racist, protectionist, say anything idiocy and couldn't beat Hillary even if she's indicted by election day.
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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2015, 12:40:51 am »
He's also an astute political commentator, in the same class with Charles Krauthammer.

Donald Trump is a self-glorifying charlatan who has suckered a significant number of conservatives with his siren song of "we'll take care of 'those' people." 

And there is the real probability that, after Trump crashes and burns, the GOP will be tarred with his racist, protectionist, say anything idiocy and couldn't beat Hillary even if she's indicted by election day.

Here's a man (er..uh person) after my own heart.

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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2015, 12:41:48 am »
LOL!  Talk about damning with faint praise....a left-handed compliment. 

He's forgetting about all the Democrat cross-over votes who are also sick and tired of their party.

We don't have a monopoly on that, I think.    :laugh:

Are you really going to say that blacks and hispanics are going to vote Republican because they are fed up with the Democratic party.  Specially with the bile coming out of Trump's mouth?

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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2015, 12:43:42 am »
He's also an astute political commentator, in the same class with Charles Krauthammer.

Donald Trump is a self-glorifying charlatan who has suckered a significant number of conservatives with his siren song of "we'll take care of 'those' people." 

And there is the real probability that, after Trump crashes and burns, the GOP will be tarred with his racist, protectionist, say anything idiocy and couldn't beat Hillary even if she's indicted by election day.

Take a gander at this Trump supporter.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,178727.msg703971.html#msg703971


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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2015, 12:46:52 am »
Will's wife works for Walker.
So what? Ted Cruz' wife worked for Goldman Sachs.
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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2015, 12:53:14 am »
Are you really going to say that blacks and hispanics are going to vote Republican because they are fed up with the Democratic party.  Specially with the bile coming out of Trump's mouth?

No sir!   Was thinking of Caucasoid Democrats.  They're still the majority in that party, I believe.
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« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2015, 12:58:13 am »
No sir!   Was thinking of Caucasoid Democrats.  They're still the majority in that party, I believe.

You did read the article, right?

Providing the GOP candidate receives the same level of Hispanic support as 2012... "he will need 65% of the white vote, which was last achieved by Ronald Reagan when carrying 49 states in 1984."

And I highly doubt that with Trump's bile, we'll now see the same level of Hispanic support.  Which means we'll need more than the above percentage.

Furthermore, just what sort of party is the GOP if it transforms itself into a "white's-rights" club? 

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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2015, 01:00:31 am »
You did read the article, right?

Providing the GOP candidate receives the same level of Hispanic support as 2012... "he will need 65% of the white vote, which was last achieved by Ronald Reagan when carrying 49 states in 1984."

And I highly doubt that with Trump's bile, we'll now see the same level of Hispanic support.  Which means we'll need more than the above percentage.

Furthermore, just what sort of party is the GOP if it transforms itself into a "white's-rights" club?

If this PC sh*t keeps up, it'll be a good one.   :smokin:
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Re: George F. Will: Trump May Ruin Chance For GOP President
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2015, 01:04:26 am »
So what? Ted Cruz' wife worked for Goldman Sachs.

Sachs is running as a Republican?
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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2015, 01:06:10 am »
If this PC sh*t keeps up, it'll be a good one.   :smokin:

And here I thought that the GOP was to field conservatives that would show and explain how conservative ethics actively benefit everyone.

Thanks for showing me how wrong that was.

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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2015, 01:07:17 am »
I agree with George Will. If the GOP transforms into the party of George Wallace, Pat Buchanan, Tom Tancredo, and David Duke, it will win only the number of Presidential elections as that group of fringe people did, going forward.

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« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2015, 01:08:28 am »
Sachs is running as a Republican?
Don't quit your day job.
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« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2015, 01:11:40 am »
I agree with George Will. If the GOP transforms into the party of George Wallace, Pat Buchanan, Tom Tancredo, and David Duke, it will win only the number of Presidential elections as that group of fringe people did, going forward.

(they all ran for President)

Don't take away the fantasies of these folks.  At least check to see that they are un-armed first.

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« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2015, 01:14:19 am »
You did read the article, right?

Providing the GOP candidate receives the same level of Hispanic support as 2012... "he will need 65% of the white vote, which was last achieved by Ronald Reagan when carrying 49 states in 1984."

And I highly doubt that with Trump's bile, we'll now see the same level of Hispanic support.  Which means we'll need more than the above percentage.

Furthermore, just what sort of party is the GOP if it transforms itself into a "white's-rights" club?

How do you explain this headline from PRNewswire.com?:

Trump Leads Nevada Poll with Overwhelming Hispanic Support
Trump Has Commanding Overall Lead of 27.7% in Nevada Poll with 31.4% Support by Hispanics

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/trump-leads-nevada-poll-with-overwhelming-hispanic-support-300114592.html

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« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2015, 01:14:56 am »
And here I thought that the GOP was to field conservatives that would show and explain how conservative ethics actively benefit everyone.

Thanks for showing me how wrong that was.

This election won't be about Conservatism vs. Liberalism.  (Maybe that's your 'problem'....you're still stuck in 2008 and 2012)

It will be about who is best suited to get America's economy moving and getting people back to work and careers.
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« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2015, 01:20:57 am »
This election won't be about Conservatism vs. Liberalism.  (Maybe that's your 'problem'....you're still stuck in 2008 and 2012)

It will be about who is best suited to get America's economy moving and getting people back to work and careers.

Hmmmm....and the One to do this is Donald Trump?  You watch too much TV.

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« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2015, 01:32:21 am »
This election won't be about Conservatism vs. Liberalism.  (Maybe that's your 'problem'....you're still stuck in 2008 and 2012)

It will be about who is best suited to get America's economy moving and getting people back to work and careers.

Which means that you don't believe that conservative notions will do just that.

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« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2015, 01:37:53 am »
In light of your assertion that Trump can't do well with the Latin vote, Godzilla, how do you explain the fact that Trump is leading Nevada with significant Latin vote?

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« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2015, 01:39:34 am »
This election won't be about Conservatism vs. Liberalism.  (Maybe that's your 'problem'....you're still stuck in 2008 and 2012)

It will be about who is best suited to get America's economy moving and getting people back to work and careers.

It's the between fighting the last war and the new war.  Don't just focus on Trump.  Mark Cuban, who I really don't care too much for made a comment about Trump, again, not an endorsement, just a making a point Trump understands media, he understands THE NEW MEDIA probably better than anybody, in contention.  Carl Icahn, another heavy name to drop.
The man has access to resources no other candidate has but no, lets put on our Marquess of Queensberry outfits again and get our asses royally kicked.  Politics is war by other means.  If you aren't ready to slice your opponents throat and smile while doing so, you have no place in the game.
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