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You Hate It From Barack Obama. But You Love It From Donald Trump.
By Rick Wilson
For the Journal IJReview

I’ve come to realize that the Obama Cult and the Trump Cult are two sides of the same personality-cult coin. The cognitive dissonance between what the Trump faction hated about Obama and what they love about Donald is so far beyond ironic it would take a team of trained linguists and semioticians decades to decode.

But I’ll try.

You hated Barack Obama’s cult-like followers, with their mindless stares of adoration, their impervious barrier between emotion and reason, and their instant fury when confronted with the facts about his record, his history, or his philosophy.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated Obama’s shallow, facile rhetoric, with its hollow promises and loose, lowest-common-denominator word-vomit disconnected from any real policy.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated how Obama was gleefully lying to credulous low information voters, filling them with empty promises of economic prosperity that would never come, based on plans that could never be achieved.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated how Obama lied about his positions on single-payer healthcare, gay marriage, gun control, and abortion to get elected, knowing that if he ever revealed the truth about what he believed that he’d be unelectable.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated how Obama rode the wave of constant attention from the mainstream media into office, and how they played along with his game, draining the life out of every other candidate by describing him as an inevitable juggernaut, an unstoppable political force, and a game-changer who was tapping into something deep and powerful in American political life.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated how Obama’s naive ignorance of the real and brutal world of international affairs was papered over by his hollow promises to make the world respect the United States again.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated Obama’s casual disdain for people who weren’t from a major city where, you know, all the rich, smart, educated, liberal people like him live.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated Obama’s elite credentialism, and how he yielded his Harvard and Columbia degrees to browbeat his aspiring-class opponents from outside the meritocracy, and how he used them to cow an already docile press.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated that smug, arrogant, sneering affect that took hold the moment he thought the cameras weren’t looking.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated Obama’s cadre of sleazy, weird, creepy advisers, with their combination of over-the-edge ideological fervor and their stench of petty corruption.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated Obama’s support for bail-outs, too-big-to-fail, and big, taxpayer-funded government intervention in dying industries.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated his comfy alliance with Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and the odious Clinton crime family.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated his cavalier disdain for private property rights.

But you love it from Trump.

Everything that set your teeth on edge, and raised your hackles and made you loathe Barack Obama is there in Donald Trump. Every aspect of the con game Obama played on America in 2008 – the obsessive focus on one base issue (for Obama the war in Iraq, for Trump, Mexicans), the cult-like obsession, the instant attacks on apostates, the willful ignorance of his history and his beliefs – is present in Trump.

Everything you despised in Obama is there.

But you love it from Trump.

http://journal.ijreview.com/2015/08/246433-you-hate-it-from-barack-obama-but-you-love-it-from-donald-trump/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=owned&utm_term=conservativedaily&utm_campaign=POLITICS


Rick Wilson is a national Republican media consultant and campaign adviser.
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Re: You Hate It From Barack Obama. But You Love It From Donald Trump.
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2015, 05:51:22 pm »
Which section of the Constitution empowers the President to determine where sites for plants of American companies, will be located? Ford, Nabisco?

Or sites of foreign firms will be located, i.e. Fiat's Chysler, VW, Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Hyundai, BMW, Mercedes, Unilever, ad infinitum?

*I grew up watching my grandfather (born 1896) eat Shredded Wheat because he owned Nabisco stock. 

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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2015, 06:09:44 pm »
Luis,

I said here on numerous occasions that after having to put up with the A-hole Barack Hussein Obama for 8 years, that it's time we get one of our own. 

Let's see how the Democrats like that.

We may have a Republican House and Senate that refuses to go along with a President Donald Trump.  Should be interesting to watch.
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2015, 06:13:52 pm »
Luis,

I said here on numerous occasions that after having to put up with the A-hole Barack Hussein Obama for 8 years, that it's time we get one of our own. 

Let's see how the Democrats like that.

We may have a Republican House and Senate that refuses to go along with a President Donald Trump.  Should be interesting to watch.

So we now want a President that's bad for the nation and ignores the Constitution but has an "R" next to his name.

We have evolved.
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2015, 06:19:58 pm »
All of a sudden, Republicans are all in favor of tariffs?  I thought this was the party of free trade?


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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2015, 06:24:44 pm »
All of a sudden, Republicans are all in favor of tariffs?  I thought this was the party of free trade?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTMBQjWauD8

We're evolving.
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2015, 06:29:51 pm »
All of a sudden, Republicans are all in favor of tariffs?  I thought this was the party of free trade?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTMBQjWauD8

Has anyone explained to him that he doesn't get to do that?

"The Congress shall have Power To...regulate Commerce with foreign Nations..."

ARTICLE I, SECTION 8, CLAUSE 3
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2015, 08:15:50 pm »
As those who see haters in action know, Trump doesn't support protectionism or tariffs, just trade on equal footing.  Most Republicans in D.C. and those who support them are part of the Kruschev's "Sell The Rope Cabal".  They claim to care about the republic but their actions show otherwise.
It's quite instructive to see who's cover has been "blown".
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2015, 09:27:57 pm »
As those who see haters in action know, Trump doesn't support protectionism or tariffs, just trade on equal footing.  Most Republicans in D.C. and those who support them are part of the Kruschev's "Sell The Rope Cabal".  They claim to care about the republic but their actions show otherwise.
It's quite instructive to see who's cover has been "blown".

Calling opposition "haters" is what liberals do. Can we try not to coopt their language and tactics and to then turn around and claim we're somehow different and better than them?

No President has the Constitutional power to "slap a tariff" (I think that's the phrase he used) on anyone. That power is granted to Congress.

You can't both claim you're for free trade and support the idea of governments interfering with trade.
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2015, 10:46:24 pm »
All of a sudden, Republicans are all in favor of tariffs?  I thought this was the party of free trade?

No, the GOP is now "Good Old Protectionism"

Contemporary "conservatism" is severely under the influence of the entertainment gurus, too.

Make me laugh, make me cry, but don't stick to any particular principles any more, okay?
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2015, 11:15:01 pm »
To see a quarter to a third of the GOP reduced to a cult of personality is really truly sad.

I had no idea there were so many low information, emotionally-driven Republican voters.  But, I guess there are dopes across the political spectrum, willing to succumb to vapid demagoguery. 
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2015, 11:29:29 pm »
Calling opposition "haters" is what liberals do. Can we try not to coopt their language and tactics and to then turn around and claim we're somehow different and better than them?

No President has the Constitutional power to "slap a tariff" (I think that's the phrase he used) on anyone. That power is granted to Congress.

You can't both claim you're for free trade and support the idea of governments interfering with trade.

There's free trade and then there is what the United States is engaged in.  These guys ain't paying sticker price.  They are paying sticker + undercoat + pin striping + extended warranty + whatever else they want to put on the price of the vehicle.
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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2015, 12:04:37 am »
As those who see haters in action know, Trump doesn't support protectionism or tariffs, just trade on equal footing.  Most Republicans in D.C. and those who support them are part of the Kruschev's "Sell The Rope Cabal".  They claim to care about the republic but their actions show otherwise.
It's quite instructive to see who's cover has been "blown".

Who said, "If we are going to sell our products to the rest of the world, we need to strengthen trade laws and ensure their enforcement. We need to make sure that those we compete with also respect workers' rights..."?

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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2015, 01:36:03 am »
As those who see haters in action know, Trump doesn't support protectionism or tariffs, just trade on equal footing.  Most Republicans in D.C. and those who support them are part of the Kruschev's "Sell The Rope Cabal".  They claim to care about the republic but their actions show otherwise.
It's quite instructive to see who's cover has been "blown".
I gotta agree with the haters on this one. Tariffs are a baaaaad idea.
What needs to be done is to improve the conditions in this country and we all know how that's done.
The answer is not to impose another tax. That's just more money for the government to waste, and it won't work.
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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2015, 12:39:33 pm »
I gotta agree with the haters on this one. Tariffs are a baaaaad idea.
What needs to be done is to improve the conditions in this country and we all know how that's done.
The answer is not to impose another tax. That's just more money for the government to waste, and it won't work.

I'm not for tariffs.  I am for markets open both ways.  I'm also for a currency that is based upon "global" conversion, not the whim of a manufacturing powerhouse. 
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2015, 12:48:41 pm »
I gotta agree with the haters on this one. Tariffs are a baaaaad idea.
What needs to be done is to improve the conditions in this country and we all know how that's done.
The answer is not to impose another tax. That's just more money for the government to waste, and it won't work.

 :amen:  :amen: and  :amen:  :patriot:

A tariff is nothing more than another HIDDEN tax on consumers!
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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2015, 01:46:16 pm »
:amen:  :amen: and  :amen:  :patriot:

A tariff is nothing more than another HIDDEN tax on consumers!

Then what would you call a hidden cost on American tax payers?  You know, the hidden cost of illegal immigration?
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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2015, 01:56:22 pm »
Then what would you call a hidden cost on American tax payers?  You know, the hidden cost of illegal immigration?

Isn't the thinking that the FICA taxes collected from illegal workers paychecks drawn on phony social security numbers, helps keep SS solvent?
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« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2015, 01:58:33 pm »
Then what would you call a hidden cost on American tax payers?  You know, the hidden cost of illegal immigration?

Whatever it is, it is a "tax" we brought upon ourselves by creating a socialist state to accommodate these immigrants.  Blaming them is like blaming Trump for taking advantage of a tax loophole.

If we want to curtail illegal immigration, we can easily do it by getting rid of the magnet of socialism.  Conversely, increasing protectionism and erecting more barriers to entry will have the effect of promoting and protecting socialism, an unintended consequence we hardly ever talk about.


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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2015, 02:23:56 pm »
Isn't the thinking that the FICA taxes collected from illegal workers paychecks drawn on phony social security numbers, helps keep SS solvent?

Disclaimer: As a legal immigrant who waited in line in a Communist country for a decade while being verbally abused by teachers and classmates alike who knew that my family had applied to leave the country, I object to illegal immigration. I just like to debate issues based on facts, not memes

It's not the "thinking", it's the fact that there are nearly a trillion dollars in the IRS's Earnings Suspense File.

The "hidden cost" of illegal immigration is somewhat of a myth. The equally "hidden" benefits (according to some economists (not Paul Krugman) tend to either equal out any costs, or even create a surplus. It's difficult to calculate the savings in staple grocery items to the public being generated by the lower wages earned by farm workers.
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« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2015, 03:16:31 pm »
I was wondering about how you could possibly calculate the net cost or net benefit considering all factors.
It would be someone's best guess.

I do know this. I replaced the soffits and gutters on my house. I got 2 bids, one was union and one was not. The workers were all south of the border types.
I let you guess which bid was 50% higher.
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« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2015, 05:02:39 pm »
I was wondering about how you could possibly calculate the net cost or net benefit considering all factors.
It would be someone's best guess.

I do know this. I replaced the soffits and gutters on my house. I got 2 bids, one was union and one was not. The workers were all south of the border types.
I let you guess which bid was 50% higher.

Not only that....the South of the Border types show up on time....sober...and seem very happy to have work.   And they do the job just as well...if not better.
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« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2015, 07:04:07 pm »
Disclaimer: As a legal immigrant who waited in line in a Communist country for a decade while being verbally abused by teachers and classmates alike who knew that my family had applied to leave the country, I object to illegal immigration. I just like to debate issues based on facts, not memes

It's not the "thinking", it's the fact that there are nearly a trillion dollars in the IRS's Earnings Suspense File.

The "hidden cost" of illegal immigration is somewhat of a myth. The equally "hidden" benefits (according to some economists (not Paul Krugman) tend to either equal out any costs, or even create a surplus. It's difficult to calculate the savings in staple grocery items to the public being generated by the lower wages earned by farm workers.

So, basically, you're for the oppression of pseudo-slavery by allowing people to live a lawless life in America just so people can have cheap lettuce?
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« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2015, 07:12:44 pm »
All of a sudden, Republicans are all in favor of tariffs?  I thought this was the party of free trade?

It's a debate that I saw over and over at TOS. I'm in the group that thinks you can't have unrestrained free trade with a partner that fixes their currency, and limits access to their markets. But, they welcomed our manufacturing base.

Well done free traders.

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« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2015, 07:24:45 pm »
It's a debate that I saw over and over at TOS. I'm in the group that thinks you can't have unrestrained free trade with a partner that fixes their currency, and limits access to their markets. But, they welcomed our manufacturing base.

Well done free traders.

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