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Tesla burns cash, loses more than $4,000 on every car sold
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Tesla burns cash, loses more than $4,000 on every car sold


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By Joseph White and Paul Lienert

DETROIT (Reuters) – It’s crunch time for Tesla Motors.

The Silicon Valley automaker is losing more than $4,000 on every Model S electric sedan it sells, using its reckoning of operating losses, and it burned $359 million in cash last quarter in a bull market for luxury vehicles. The company on Wednesday cut its production targets for this year and next. Chief Executive Elon Musk said he’s considering options to raise more capital, and didn’t rule out selling more stock.

Musk has taken investors on a thrill ride since taking Tesla public in 2010. Now he’s given himself a deadline, promising that by the first quarter of 2016 Tesla will be making enough money to fund a jump from making one expensive, low volume car to mass producing multiple models, and expanding a venture to manufacture electric power storage systems.

Tesla’s shares fell almost 9 percent on Thursday and slipped another 2 percent on Friday as investors and analysts weighed the risks of Musk’s ambitious plans for expanding Tesla’s auto and energy storage businesses. Tesla had just $1.15 billion on hand as of June 30, down from $2.67 billion a year earlier.

Automakers consume cash to pay for assembly line equipment, including metal dies and plastic molds, as well as testing to meet safety and emissions standards. A typical new car can cost $1 billion or more to engineer and bring to market.

Established automakers such as General Motors Co and Ford Motor Co have amassed far larger cash cushions as they’ve rebuilt balance sheets battered by the 2008-2009 recession. GM, restructured six years ago in a government funded bankruptcy, has targeted cash reserves of $20 billion and had more than $28 billion in cash equivalents as of June 30.

To be sure, GM sells more than 9 million vehicles a year, while Tesla plans to build between 50,000 and 55,000 cars this year. Tesla, most of whose cars are built to order directly, delivered 11,532 cars in the second period and said it had an operating loss of about $47 million, for an operating loss per car of about $4,000.

Tesla’s narrower margin for error is just one more way in which it is different from its century old rivals.

The company said it plans $1.5 billion in capital spending this year, mainly to launch its Model X, battery powered sport utility vehicle with eye-catching, vertical-opening “falcon wing” doors. Tesla reported $831 million in capital spending during the first half of the year, indicating it will spend roughly another $700 million.

During the second quarter, Tesla said operating costs and research and development spending rose, while average selling prices for the Model S lineup, which starts at $70,000 before federal and state electric vehicle tax breaks, fell 1 percent as the mix of sales shifted to less expensive models and a strong dollar hit revenue generated overseas. The Model S comes in several different versions, ranging in price up to $106,000 or more, depending on options.

 

 

CAPITAL SPENDING

Tesla has signaled capital spending will drop next year because the company won’t be spending on a major vehicle launch. In 2017, Tesla plans to launch its Model 3 line, which the company says will start at about $35,000 and push total sales toward the goal of 500,000 vehicles a year by 2020.

Barclays analyst Brian Johnson disagreed with the company’s estimates, and said he expects Tesla’s capital spending will go up in 2016 and 2017 as the company ramps up its battery factory and Model 3 development. “Their small scale means the cash generation is not as great as they might have hoped for,” he said.

Musk said this week Tesla expects to have $1 billion in cash over the next year, and told analysts “there may be some value” in raising capital “as a risk reduction measure.”

Tesla’s stock is still about 70 percent higher than it was two years ago, and 8 percent ahead of its level on Jan 1. With a market capitalization of $31 billion, Tesla is worth more than Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV, the much larger maker of Ram pickups and Jeep Grand Cherokees.

“A capital raise, given the way they’re burning cash today, given the fact that they have future investment needs, seems very likely at some point,” said UBS Securities analyst Colin Langan, who has a sell rating on the stock.

Musk has steered Tesla out of tight corners before. In September 2012, the company faced a cash crunch, but raised money by selling shares and renegotiating the terms of a federal loan. The Model S started production in miod-2012.

Tesla has made moves to expand sales volume, and lure people to pay more for its vehicles. In addition to adding a lower priced version of the Model S, Tesla last month said it would offer performance upgrades for its Model S 85 and 85D for $5,000 and launched the Model S 90D and P90D high performance cars at a $10,000 price premium.

Tesla reports its finances in a different way from the Detroit automakers. Using the generally accepted accounting principles, or GAAP, used by GM or Ford, Tesla’s operating losses per vehicle have steadily widened to $14,758 from $3,794 in the second quarter of 2014.

But Tesla points out in its statements to investors that its GAAP accounting excludes certain revenue and profits from Model S sedans that customers lease. In the second quarter, the deferred gross profits from Model S leases amounted to $61.9 million, Tesla said. Analysts say they add back the deferred revenue to make Tesla’s figures more comparable to the reporting used by other automakers.

 
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Re: Tesla burns cash, loses more than $4,000 on every car sold
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2015, 05:02:42 pm »
Tesla, of all car companies, shouldn't be running such an operating loss.  $4,000 is chump change to those who can afford to purchase a $100,000 plus car, particularly since one of the primary selling points is assuaging the self-inflicted "climate guilt" of rich white liberals.

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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2015, 05:17:19 pm »
Amazon burned cash too, until it didn't.

Tesla has a model at half the price of their first big sedan, which is currently seen on the road.

Vehicles of the future will likely be "range-extended gasoline-electric hybrids," like plug in Prius, like Chevy Volt, like BMW i3 and i8, etc. That was the design of the Fisker, which is probably going to be resurrected.

Why extended range hybrid? Because it works. Much of driving for most people is fairly short range. That can be all or almost all electric.

When greater range is needed, small displacement gasoline engines are onboard, to recharge the battery. BMW's design is perhaps the most advanced, with small displacement engines operating in conjunction with electrics, for power and range.

Tesla is doing things nobody even imagined, like updating the cars' software over the internet and gaining BIG increases in range for EXISTING vehicles on the road.

That is the direction of the industry. I'm in the market for a vehicle. I can't afford a Tesla, but when looking around it is plain how fast technology is moving.

More power is being produced by turbo-four cylinder engines, than V8s of a few years ago. Vehicle weight will be dropping more and more, without sacrifice of safety.

People ridicule GM for the Volt, but it was an effort in line with major trends in the industry.

Big technology starts in costly vehicles, and works the way down. 

 
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2015, 07:00:27 pm »
Amazon burned cash too, until it didn't.

Tesla has a model at half the price of their first big sedan, which is currently seen on the road.

Vehicles of the future will likely be "range-extended gasoline-electric hybrids," like plug in Prius, like Chevy Volt, like BMW i3 and i8, etc. That was the design of the Fisker, which is probably going to be resurrected.

Why extended range hybrid? Because it works. Much of driving for most people is fairly short range. That can be all or almost all electric.

When greater range is needed, small displacement gasoline engines are onboard, to recharge the battery. BMW's design is perhaps the most advanced, with small displacement engines operating in conjunction with electrics, for power and range.

Tesla is doing things nobody even imagined, like updating the cars' software over the internet and gaining BIG increases in range for EXISTING vehicles on the road.

That is the direction of the industry. I'm in the market for a vehicle. I can't afford a Tesla, but when looking around it is plain how fast technology is moving.

More power is being produced by turbo-four cylinder engines, than V8s of a few years ago. Vehicle weight will be dropping more and more, without sacrifice of safety.

People ridicule GM for the Volt, but it was an effort in line with major trends in the industry.

Big technology starts in costly vehicles, and works the way down. 

 


People ridiculed GM for the Volt because it was a POS.

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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2015, 07:20:41 pm »

People ridiculed GM for the Volt because it was a POS.
Not according to this review. Most of the negativity you probably heard, was from people opposed to the rescue that GM got from the government, without any appreciation of the technical aspects of the vehicle.

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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2015, 07:34:46 pm »
Not according to this review. Most of the negativity you probably heard, was from people opposed to the rescue that GM got from the government, without any appreciation of the technical aspects of the vehicle.



Nope.  I've read other reviews.  It warn't go great shakes.


And I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with Tesla burning money, except to the extent that it's being underwritten with government goodies and bennies (e.g., property tax gimmes).  To the extent they're burning their investors' cash, I don't give a fig; they got that money the honest way and if the investors don't want their cash burned it's up to them to figure it out, they don't deserve any special help.

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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2015, 08:15:19 pm »
Nope.  I've read other reviews.  It warn't go great shakes.


And I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with Tesla burning money, except to the extent that it's being underwritten with government goodies and bennies (e.g., property tax gimmes).  To the extent they're burning their investors' cash, I don't give a fig; they got that money the honest way and if the investors don't want their cash burned it's up to them to figure it out, they don't deserve any special help.
I have read that the Ford C-Max is a good hybrid, but the Toyota Prius salesman said not so good.

One car that is proven is the Toyota Prius. They invested in Hybrid for the long term.

VW Group, which includes Audi is the leader in diesel passenger vehicles.

Going clear back to the start of the discussion, Tesla is a battery only electric. But Tesla is committed to increasing range, and thus far have made big strides.

My brother is extremely conservative BUT he likes technology and can afford it.  He drives a Porsche Panamera, and wants Porsche to offer an all electric like the Tesla. It makes no sense economically, but it is fascinating and the rich like new fancy stuff.

So the pocketbooks of the rich are where much new technology gets tested.

What Tesla can do with extending range for all electric battery vehicles, carries over into plug-in hybrid gas-electric vehicles, too.

And all of the development carries over into commercial vehicles, where cost-benefit matters most.

The world is awash with energy alternatives. It remains to be sorted which make sense for regions, economies etc.

I think a lot remains to be developed with energy from the sun and the seas. Focusing sunlight using mirrors to multiply the captured amount, and using the tides to generate energy.

Storage, e.g. batteries and capacitors is the lagging item now.
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2015, 08:48:31 pm »
The Ford Escape hybrid and some of the others are getting some tough try-outs in NYC being used as taxis.


Quite frankly, the only issue I have with Tesla is they're right there with the rest of the bunch taking cash from hard-working taxpayers to fund their operating losses.  And then there's the several thousand dollars in tax credit each buyer gets; that's particularly annoying given that the people buying these cars are the least in need of any sort of credit.

Technologically, if they can make it work in an economically sensible manner, then that's all to the good.  The issue I have isn't with electrics or hybrids, it's the holier-than-thou attitude liberals take, and their dreams of forcing them on everyone, and using the federal government fisc to subsidize them.