Author Topic: Boy, was I wrong about Donald Trump. Here’s why...By Chris Cillizza (Read 12516 times)

bkepley · « **Reply #51 on:** August 05, 2015, 01:42:48 pm »

Quote from: DCPatriot on August 05, 2015, 01:36:45 pm

That is such an empty slogan. If it was coming from Hillary you'd puke.

DCPatriot · « **Reply #52 on:** August 05, 2015, 02:16:23 pm »

Quote from: bkepley on August 05, 2015, 01:42:48 pm

That is such an empty slogan. If it was coming from Hillary you'd puke.

Hey...YOU'RE the one who said the most important issue was the economy. Not me.

The phrase rings loud to the 93+ million Americans no longer in the workforce...whether retired or stuck living in an underground economy.

And if somebody who built a nest of $10 BILLION told me he could do it...I'd listen.

Longiron · « **Reply #53 on:** August 05, 2015, 02:17:04 pm »

Quote from: bkepley on August 05, 2015, 01:42:48 pm

That is such an empty slogan. If it was coming from Hillary you'd puke.

EMPTY but true and it is WORKING and that makes you want to PUKE????

Longiron · « **Reply #54 on:** August 05, 2015, 02:18:27 pm »

Quote from: DCPatriot on August 05, 2015, 02:16:23 pm

Hey...YOU'RE the one who said the most important issue was the economy. Not me.

The phrase rings loud to the 93+ million Americans no longer in the workforce...whether retired or stuck living in an underground economy.

And if somebody who built a nest of $10 BILLION told me he could do it...I'd listen.

AND yes!!!! "he did build that""

DCPatriot · « **Reply #55 on:** August 05, 2015, 02:21:55 pm »

Quote from: bkepley on August 05, 2015, 01:42:48 pm

That is such an empty slogan. If it was coming from Hillary you'd puke.

Furthermore, it would never come from Hillary's mouth. She's the one who said this:

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

bkepley · « **Reply #56 on:** August 05, 2015, 02:24:42 pm »

Quote from: DCPatriot on August 05, 2015, 02:16:23 pm

Hey...YOU'RE the one who said the most important issue was the economy. Not me.

The phrase rings loud to the 93+ million Americans no longer in the workforce...whether retired or stuck living in an underground economy.

And if somebody who built a nest of $10 BILLION told me he could do it...I'd listen.

Make America great again says nothing about the economy. It could mean anything. It's like how he'd fix Obamacare, by replacing it with something "terrific". Ok well that's "terrific" I guess.

mountaineer · « **Reply #57 on:** August 05, 2015, 02:35:41 pm »

All campaign slogans are pithy nothings. (Wait, I think that's the first time I ever approved of a sweeping generalization!)

Happy days are here again! In your heart, you know he's right! He kept us out of war! I'm just wild about Harry!

When I ran for state legislature, mine was "The right choice - for a change," which referred both to my being right (correct and conservative) and the fact that most past elections for that post had been unopposed, thus the voters finally had a choice.

I just came across this press release:

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FOLSOM, Calif., Aug. 4, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- Tagline Guru™, one of the world's leading verbal branding agencies, today released its survey of the best and worst slogans of the 22 announced candidates running for President of the United States.

According to 250 branding, marketing, and advertising professionals, Mike Huckabee's From Hope to Higher Ground was ranked the highest from the Class of 2016, followed by A Political Revolution is Coming (Bernie Sanders); Telling It Like It Is (Chris Christie); Defeat the Washington Machine. Unleash the American Dream (Rand Paul); People Over Politics (George Pataki); Reigniting the Promise for America (Ted Cruz); and Jeb! (Jeb Bush).

Slogans that received the lowest rankings were We Must Do Right and Risk the Consequences (Rick Perry); Reform. Growth. Safety. (Scott Walker); Kasich for Us (John Kasich); Make America Great Again (Donald Trump); Ready to Be Commander-In-Chief on Day One (Lindsey Graham); Gilmore for America (Jim Gilmore); and Heal. Inspire. Revive. (Dr. Ben Carson).

Slogans from Lincoln Chafee, Hillary Clinton, Carly Fiorina, Bobby Jindal, Martin O'Malley, Marco Rubio, Rick Santorum, and Jim Webb were ranked in the middle - neither the best nor the worst.

Rankings were based on whether the slogans were catchy and memorable, told an inviting and persuasive story, and captured the personality of the candidate or spirit of the campaign. ...

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bkepley · « **Reply #58 on:** August 05, 2015, 02:41:12 pm »

Quote from: mountaineer on August 05, 2015, 02:35:41 pm

All campaign slogans are pithy nothings. (Wait, I think that's the first time I ever approved of a sweeping generalization!)

Happy days are here again! In your heart, you know he's right! He kept us out of war! I'm just wild about Harry!

When I ran for state legislature, mine was "The right choice - for a change," which referred both to my being right (correct and conservative) and the fact that most past elections for that post had been unopposed, thus the voters finally had a choice.

I just came across this press release:More

According to 250 branding, marketing, and advertising professionals, Mike Huckabee's From Hope to Higher Ground was ranked the highest from the Class of 2016, followed by A Political Revolution is Coming (Bernie Sanders); Telling It Like It Is (Chris Christie); Defeat the Washington Machine. Unleash the American Dream (Rand Paul); People Over Politics (George Pataki); Reigniting the Promise for America (Ted Cruz); and Jeb! (Jeb Bush).

Obviously slogans don't work but anyway the whole conversation about Trump's slogan proceeded from a remark I made that Trump needs to get a good focus on the economy if he could actually win the presidency since the economy is America's #1 concern. Interestingly none of these "winning" slogans says much about the economy.

DCPatriot · « **Reply #59 on:** August 05, 2015, 02:48:37 pm »

Quote from: bkepley on August 05, 2015, 02:41:12 pm

According to 250 branding, marketing, and advertising professionals, Mike Huckabee's From Hope to Higher Ground was ranked the highest from the Class of 2016, followed by A Political Revolution is Coming (Bernie Sanders); Telling It Like It Is (Chris Christie); Defeat the Washington Machine. Unleash the American Dream (Rand Paul); People Over Politics (George Pataki); Reigniting the Promise for America (Ted Cruz); and Jeb! (Jeb Bush).

Obviously slogans don't work but anyway the whole conversation about Trump's slogan proceeded from a remark I made that Trump needs to get a good focus on the economy if he could actually win the presidency since the economy is America's #1 concern. Interestingly none of these "winning" slogans says much about the economy.

I'm just a dumb, ignorant, average American. Retired...for all intents and purposes. With an IQ of only 125.

When the economy around me is struggling now going on seven years, and I see a slogan "Making America Great Again", that's the ONLY connection as to its meaning.

I apologize for inferring you were a 'troll' the other day.

Obtuse and/or insufferable work better.

bkepley · « **Reply #60 on:** August 05, 2015, 02:51:01 pm »

Quote from: DCPatriot on August 05, 2015, 02:48:37 pm

I'm just a dumb, ignorant, average American. Retired...for all intents and purposes. With an IQ of only 125.

When the economy around me is struggling now going on seven years, and I see a slogan "Making America Great Again", that's the ONLY connection as to its meaning.

I apologize for inferring you were a 'troll' the other day.

Obtuse and/or insufferable work better.

Hmmm...

Luis Gonzalez · « **Reply #61 on:** August 05, 2015, 03:06:15 pm »

Quote from: DCPatriot on August 05, 2015, 02:16:23 pm

Hey...YOU'RE the one who said the most important issue was the economy. Not me.

The phrase rings loud to the 93+ million Americans no longer in the workforce...whether retired or stuck living in an underground economy.

And if somebody who built a nest of $10 BILLION told me he could do it...I'd listen.

My issue with the slogan is more of a general issue with the way we perceive candidates or the way that candidates want to be perceived these days.

I take issue with this idea that this candidate or that candidate will, by the sheer weight of their magnificence, bring the country back around to that fabled time in our history when things were better and everything was perfect. Or in the case of the Democrats, build a better nation than has ever existed before.

Either thought is frightening.

Their campaign slogan may as well be "Elect me, I know where the unicorns hide."

I remember Reagan reminding us that the problems that needed to be fixed in this country could not be fixed by the government, because the government and those problems were one and the same.

Every time that I see a candidate tell me that, if elected, they're going to fix issues, all I see is bigger government ahead and all I hear is "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."

bkepley · « **Reply #62 on:** August 05, 2015, 03:11:14 pm »

Quote from: Luis Gonzalez on August 05, 2015, 03:06:15 pm

I take issue with this idea that this candidate or that candidate will, by the sheer weight of their magnificence, bring the country back around to that fabled time in our history when things were better and everything was perfect. Or in the case of the Democrats, build a better nation than has ever existed before.

Maybe we should start now by putting Trump on Mt. Rushmore. I hear there's room.

Lando Lincoln · « **Reply #63 on:** August 05, 2015, 03:45:09 pm »

We're debating a campaign slogan on a baseball cap? Really?

bkepley · « **Reply #64 on:** August 05, 2015, 03:47:07 pm »

Quote from: Lando Lincoln on August 05, 2015, 03:45:09 pm

We're debating a campaign slogan on a baseball cap? Really?

No why, you want to have one?

alicewonders · « **Reply #65 on:** August 05, 2015, 04:02:55 pm »

Slogans have to be short and catchy - and not stir up any negative connotations. For that reason, they have to be basically neutral and positive at the same time. Think of "Hope and Change" and "It's Morning in America".

Would you prefer, "Let's put Americans to Work!"

It does address the economy - but unfortunately, to a great many Americans (too many) that slogan would not be a positive thing.

I see nothing wrong with Trump's slogan.

bkepley · « **Reply #66 on:** August 05, 2015, 04:09:34 pm »

Quote from: alicewonders on August 05, 2015, 04:02:55 pm

Slogans have to be short and catchy - and not stir up any negative connotations. For that reason, they have to be basically neutral and positive at the same time. Think of "Hope and Change" and "It's Morning in America".

Would you prefer, "Let's put Americans to Work!"

It does address the economy - but unfortunately, to a great many Americans (too many) that slogan would not be a positive thing.

I see nothing wrong with Trump's slogan.

I don't see anything wrong with it either it just didn't address the point I was making (in my opinion) but since that ended up going all ad-hominem it's not really that important.

libertybele · « **Reply #67 on:** August 05, 2015, 08:16:44 pm »

Quote from: Lando Lincoln on August 05, 2015, 03:45:09 pm

We're debating a campaign slogan on a baseball cap? Really?

Exactly. Who cares about Trump's slogan?? Like him or not, the fact of the matter is he is polling double digits. Tomorrow night is the debates and a lot of people are going to be tuning in to watch "The Donald".

xfreeper · « **Reply #68 on:** August 05, 2015, 08:43:14 pm »

Quote from: bkepley on August 05, 2015, 01:21:46 pm

Just FYI, to appeal to the independents Trump needs to come up with good reasons to believe he can improve the economy.

Not at all. The only thing he needs to accomplish is to have the voters think he is more likely to do it than the other knuckleheads and he has already accomplished that