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McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« on: July 26, 2015, 09:49:37 pm »
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/mcconnell-allies-strike-back-against-cruz-20150726

July 26, 2015 Allies of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell struck back Sunday against Sen. Ted Cruz, two days after the firebrand freshman accused McConnell of lying on the Senate floor.

"We are not here on some frolic or to pursue personal ambitions," Sen. Orrin Hatch, the most senior Republican in the body, said during a rare Sunday session. "We serve the people, not our own egos."

Hatch also read aloud from Senate Rule 19, which broadly prohibits one Senator from criticizing or questioning the motives of another on the floor.

"I would have to say that he's mistaken," Sen. John Cornyn, the Republican whip, said of fellow Texan Cruz.

At issue is Cruz's assertion Friday that McConnell told a "flat-out lie" to his colleagues and the press "over and over and over again" that there wasn't a special deal during last month's trade debate to reauthorize the Export-Import bank, which lost its charter to back new loans due to conservative opposition. But it's broadly popular and received the support of 67 senators on a procedural vote later Sunday.

"When there is overwhelming bipartisan support for an idea, even if I oppose it, it doesn't require some 'special deal' to see a vote occur on that measure," McConnell, who personally opposes the Ex-Im Bank, said on the floor Sunday.

Cruz fought back against charges that his accusations breached the Senate's code of conduct. "It is entirely consistent with decorum and with the nature of this body traditionally as the world's greatest deliberative body to speak the truth," he said.

McConnell's allies also charged Sunday that Cruz doesn't fully appreciate not only how the Senate works in behavior, but also in procedure. Cruz wanted this weekend to vote on his amendment prohibiting the president from providing sanctions relief to Iran until it recognizes Israel's right to exist—an amendment many Republicans would agree with in principle. But the way in which he would have gone about doing so would have set a standard for lowering most Senate action from a supermajority to a simple majority, which Cornyn said would cause "chaos" and the majority party leadership to "lose all control of the Senate schedule."

"The Senate will be saying that a majority can routinely change Senate rules and procedures any time it wants on any subject it wants in order to get the result it wants," Sen. Lamar Alexander added. "The problem with that, as former senator Carl Levin of Michigan said once, is that a Senate that changes its rules any time a majority wants is a Senate without any rules."

But despite his colleagues' harsh words, Cruz remained unbowed. After his Iran amendment failed via voice vote and another to defund Planned Parenthood failed to get a vote, Cruz left the chamber and talked to reporters for about 13 minutes, calling McConnell the "so-called Republican leader" and one half of a "McConnell-Reid leadership team," referring to Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid.

"They operate as a team, expanding Washington and undermining the liberty of the people," said Cruz.

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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2015, 11:34:00 pm »
Hmm, is a 3rd party ticket Trump/Cruz in the works??

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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2015, 12:02:08 am »
Hmm, is a 3rd party ticket Trump/Cruz in the works??

Cruz knows that if he runs third party:

1) He will lose
2) He will be a one term Senator
3) He is finished in politics

So, Trump may run third party, but Cruz wouldn't dare.
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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2015, 12:26:41 am »
Hmm, is a 3rd party ticket Trump/Cruz in the works??

Yeah that would certainly bring out the votes.   :laugh:
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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2015, 12:32:38 am »
Cruz knows that if he runs third party:

1) He will lose
2) He will be a one term Senator
3) He is finished in politics

So, Trump may run third party, but Cruz wouldn't dare.

Well, Cruz has surely dug himself a very deep republican hole... we will see what he does to get out.

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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2015, 12:40:49 am »
Well, Cruz has surely dug himself a very deep republican hole... we will see what he does to get out.

He'll be fine.  There have always been represenatives of the far right and usually they catch some flack.  NC - land of Helms.

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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2015, 01:58:58 am »
Has McConnell himself though stood up for himself?  Of course not, he would have to lie about lying!
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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2015, 02:00:05 am »
Hmm, is a 3rd party ticket Trump/Cruz in the works??
No.

Cruz knows better than to associate himself with that wolf in sheep's clothing, Donald Trump.
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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2015, 02:08:37 am »
Has McConnell himself though stood up for himself?  Of course not, he would have to lie about lying!
Why has he not responded to Cruz?  What good would it do?  Would it change Cruz's mind or the brave patriots who stand at his side?

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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2015, 02:25:57 am »
Why has he not responded to Cruz?  What good would it do?  Would it change Cruz's mind or the brave patriots who stand at his side?

It's not so much responding to Cruz, but you would think that if McConnell, wasn't lying he would defend himself.  McConnell needs to take a lesson from Hillary; she's the master of lying and covering up the lie without ever flinching.
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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2015, 02:28:42 am »
It's not so much responding to Cruz, but you would think that if McConnell, wasn't lying he would defend himself.  McConnell needs to take a lesson from Hillary; she's the master of lying and covering up the lie without ever flinching.

Maybe McConnell's been around a while and considers Cruz to be a little bit of an ankle-biter?

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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2015, 02:39:15 am »
No.

Cruz knows better than to associate himself with that wolf in sheep's clothing, Donald Trump.
Nothing sheepish about The Donald. If anything I'd say he's a pit bull in wolf's clothing.
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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2015, 02:45:22 am »
It's not so much responding to Cruz, but you would think that if McConnell, wasn't lying he would defend himself.

Defend himself against who?  The Republicans almost all vote against Cruz.  Nobody is listening to him.  Why would McConnell dignify the charges with a response.  It won't change your mind or the minds of people who are predisposed to believe Cruz.

It's a matter of perspective.  You think the charges are damning and must be addressed, but their are only a limited number of people who agree, and more importantly, care.  Answering the charge gives the story more air time and repeats the charge.  I would be disappointed if a smart political player like McConnell made such a dumb move.

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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2015, 03:56:55 am »
Defend himself against who?  The Republicans almost all vote against Cruz.  Nobody is listening to him.  Why would McConnell dignify the charges with a response.  It won't change your mind or the minds of people who are predisposed to believe Cruz.

It's a matter of perspective.  You think the charges are damning and must be addressed, but their are only a limited number of people who agree, and more importantly, care.  Answering the charge gives the story more air time and repeats the charge.  I would be disappointed if a smart political player like McConnell made such a dumb move.

Yes.  Of course it is a matter of perspective.  Granted, the RINO vote against Cruz but I'm not as confident as you that the American people don't care what's going on ... the mid term elections spoke otherwise. 
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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2015, 04:08:14 am »
Yes.  Of course it is a matter of perspective.  Granted, the RINO vote against Cruz but I'm not as confident as you that the American people don't care what's going on ... the mid term elections spoke otherwise.
Are we talking about the one that returned Boehner, McConnell, Hatch, Cornyn, and the rest of GOP leadership(except Cantor), even after real patriots threatened, raised money, and campaigned against all of them???  That one?

I picked up a lot of lessons from that election but voter anger at the GOP leadership was not one of them.

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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2015, 12:51:20 pm »
Defend himself against who?  The Republicans almost all vote against Cruz.  Nobody is listening to him.  Why would McConnell dignify the charges with a response.  It won't change your mind or the minds of people who are predisposed to believe Cruz.

It's a matter of perspective.  You think the charges are damning and must be addressed, but their are only a limited number of people who agree, and more importantly, care.  Answering the charge gives the story more air time and repeats the charge.  I would be disappointed if a smart political player like McConnell made such a dumb move.

Concise and to the point.  Good post.
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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2015, 01:12:44 pm »
Defend himself against who?  The Republicans almost all vote against Cruz.  Nobody is listening to him.  Why would McConnell dignify the charges with a response.  It won't change your mind or the minds of people who are predisposed to believe Cruz.

It's a matter of perspective.  You think the charges are damning and must be addressed, but their are only a limited number of people who agree, and more importantly, care.  Answering the charge gives the story more air time and repeats the charge.  I would be disappointed if a smart political player like McConnell made such a dumb move.

Since mcconnell and reibus control the money it is more likely that they "go along to get along" to protect their party revenue stream rather than a real anti-cruz mission.
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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2015, 01:15:55 pm »
Ted Cruz: "Sen. Cruz: McConnell-Reid Leadership Team Operates for One Party: The Washington Party

Which is EXACTLY the truth!
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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2015, 01:46:06 pm »
Ted Cruz: "Sen. Cruz: McConnell-Reid Leadership Team Operates for One Party: The Washington Party

Whis is EXACTLY the truth!

So how is Cruz going to "revolutionize" the process?  Is he going to force money out of politics?  Is he going to make negotiation and compromise a crime?  How about making civility in the Senate a crime?  Or better yet, how about changing the rules of the Senate so that any position Cruz takes must be taken by a supermajority.  Yeah, that'll do it.   :laugh:
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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2015, 01:54:14 pm »
So how is Cruz going to "revolutionize" the process?  Is he going to force money out of politics?  Is he going to make negotiation and compromise a crime?  How about making civility in the Senate a crime?  Or better yet, how about changing the rules of the Senate so that any position Cruz takes must be taken by a supermajority.  Yeah, that'll do it.   :laugh:

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They will chose to follow depending upon their ability to absorb the risk that gets them what ever rewards are in their vision.
Doing nothing is not a risk and is not leadership.

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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2015, 04:59:33 pm »
Leadership means taking calculated risks and hoping that the people that you represent, or hope to represent, see the risk and the potential rewards and compare those to the current status and rewards.
They will chose to follow depending upon their ability to absorb the risk that gets them what ever rewards are in their vision.
Doing nothing is not a risk and is not leadership.

I do agree that leadership implies taking actions when necessary.  In the military a leader doesn't require the consent of the followers, but a political leader does require a following that wants to go where he's leading.  Cruz wants to be a leader, and wants to be president.  And he's getting money.  His message though is less clear.  If he can't get his fellow senators to follow him, how is he going to get the majority of the Country to do so?
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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2015, 05:10:56 pm »
I do agree that leadership implies taking actions when necessary.  In the military a leader doesn't require the consent of the followers, but a political leader does require a following that wants to go where he's leading.  Cruz wants to be a leader, and wants to be president.  And he's getting money.  His message though is less clear.  If he can't get his fellow senators to follow him, how is he going to get the majority of the Country to do so?

Not sure if the Senate is an accurate gauge.
49% are dems and would not support any republican even if their lives depended on it.
A lot of the remaining are dems in republican clothing.
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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2015, 05:21:13 pm »
Serving the people would be in not killing off the Exim bank, and the American jobs at Boeing, etc.

Serving one's ego would be staging a showdown in the Senate, laying claim to high ground.

Cruz is very naïve and inexperienced, and he picked this battle very unwisely. Leadership is being wise, and he has NOT displayed wisdom, IMO.

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Re: McConnell Allies Strike Back Against Cruz
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2015, 06:09:17 pm »
Not sure if the Senate is an accurate gauge.
49% are dems and would not support any republican even if their lives depended on it.
A lot of the remaining are dems in republican clothing.

But still they're elected by people in their states, like them or not.  McConnell for example ran against an alleged "true conservative" Matt Blevin in the primary as well as several other opponents.  He won and went against the Democrat Grimes and a libertarian in the general, and still won.  How does Cruz defeat people like McConnell who is apparently liked enough to keep reelecting in his state?
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