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7 Things You Didn’t Know About the Civil War: “There were over 3,000 BLACK slave owners who lived in the south”


 Daniel Ameduri
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 June 25th, 2015
 

With all of the controversy surrounding the Confederate Flag, and with Apple Inc. now removing all civil war related games from their app offerings, we have reached a point where propaganda has begun to outweigh the real truth.

The following seven points from Daniel Ameduri of Future Money Trends is an effort to clear up some of the erroneous information being disseminated by agenda-driven politicos and activists:

1. The SLAVE states of Maryland, Missouri, Delaware, Kentucky, as well as the District of Columbia, were SLAVE STATES in the Union that fought for the NORTH.

2. Two years after the Emancipation Proclamation was made in 1863, the Union states of Delaware and Kentucky continued to have slavery until the Thirteenth Amendment was passed that abolished slavery.

The Emancipation Proclamation only freed Confederate slaves. It was Lincoln’s punishment for them, but it didn’t affect the slaves that remained in union control, including New Orleans, Tennessee, or Norfolk, Virginia, which were under the control of Union armies.

3. A year into the war, President Lincoln wrote a letter to the New York Tribune stating, “If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.” Not exactly a civil rights leader…

Lincoln opposed inter-racial marriages, supported the Illinois Constitution’s prohibition of immigration of blacks into the state, defended a slave owner who was seeking to retrieve his runaway slaves but never defended slaves or runaways themselves, and he was a lifelong advocate of colonization — of sending every last black person in the U.S. to Africa, Haiti, or central America — anywhere but in the United States.

4. Most white southern families had no slaves, which means most white soldiers in the south had no slaves.

And they definitely didn’t have slaves like some of the NORTHERN army soldiers who were from the states of Delaware, Maryland, Missouri, and Kentucky.

According to the census of the entire United States, with 27 million people, about 1.4% were slave owners, or 4.8% of southern whites owned slaves.

http://americancivilwar.com/authors/black_slaveowners.htm

5. Here is something you won’t learn about in Black History Month:

There were over 3,000 BLACK slave owners who lived in the south.

According to the U.S. census, in South Carolina in 1830, about a fourth of the negro slave masters owned 10 or more slaves.

6. The north had laws preventing “free” black people from actually getting rights as citizens.

Two acts of Congress were passed during the Civil War, one in 1864 and one in 1866, which allowed slave owners whose slaves enlisted or were drafted into the Union military to file a claim against the federal government for loss of the slave’s services.

7. Abraham Lincoln was a tyrant and acted as America’s first dictator…

He arrested Maryland legislators to prevent them from voting on secession. He shut down at least 300 northern newspapers opposing his war policies. He imprisoned 10,000 Union citizens without due process of law. And he even provoked the south into war, even after North Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas, and Virginia voted to stay in the Union.
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Don't forget the Indians [or to be more PC, our indigenous aborigines]. The five 'civilized tribes' included the Cherokee and the Seminole, both of whom owned slaves [Slavery was enshrined in the Cherokee Constitution]. Both fought for the Confedracy. the last Confederate General to surrender was Brig. Gen. Stand Watie, a Cherokee. We gonna do away with all the Cigar Store Indians?
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Does this make slavery okay?

What is the difference between slavery by individuals and slavery by government which we are beginning to become part of?  None, except how well the propaganda machine of the government sells government slavery.

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What is the difference between slavery by individuals and slavery by government which we are beginning to become part of?  None, except how well the propaganda machine of the government sells government slavery.
I asked, and ask again,  do the seven facts about slavery* from your fringe site, make slavery okay?

* as slavery was practiced in the US prior to the Civil War
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I asked, and ask again,  do the seven facts about slavery* from your fringe site, make slavery okay?

* as slavery was practiced in the US prior to the Civil War
How do the questions make it a fringe site ?
was slavery wrong  yes

is the south the villain the cultural marxist progressives make it out to be ?

No
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1. The SLAVE states of Maryland, Missouri, Delaware, Kentucky, as well as the District of Columbia, were SLAVE STATES in the Union that fought for the NORTH.

As they were FORCED to do by force of arms without any regard to the Constitution whatever! Leaders of the Maryland legislature were arrested and forcibly replaced with those of Lincoln's own choosing!

One of MANY extra constitutional excursions by Mr. Lincoln during his first six months in office.

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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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2. Two years after the Emancipation Proclamation was made in 1863, the Union states of Delaware and Kentucky continued to have slavery until the Thirteenth Amendment was passed that abolished slavery.

The Emancipation Proclamation only applied to those areas not under the control of the federal government at the time. It freed exactly ZERO slaves!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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3. A year into the war, President Lincoln wrote a letter to the New York Tribune stating, “If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.” Not exactly a civil rights leader…

Lincoln opposed inter-racial marriages, supported the Illinois Constitution’s prohibition of immigration of blacks into the state, defended a slave owner who was seeking to retrieve his runaway slaves but never defended slaves or runaways themselves, and he was a lifelong advocate of colonization — of sending every last black person in the U.S. to Africa, Haiti, or central America — anywhere but in the United States.

All true and part of the historical record.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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4. Most white southern families had no slaves, which means most white soldiers in the south had no slaves.

And they definitely didn’t have slaves like some of the NORTHERN army soldiers who were from the states of Delaware, Maryland, Missouri, and Kentucky.

According to the census of the entire United States, with 27 million people, about 1.4% were slave owners, or 4.8% of southern whites owned slaves.

Also true and further if the the Union soldiers had ever been told that they were fighting to free slaves the vast majority of them would have gone home immediately!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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5. Here is something you won’t learn about in Black History Month:

There were over 3,000 BLACK slave owners who lived in the south.

According to the U.S. census, in South Carolina in 1830, about a fourth of the negro slave masters owned 10 or more slaves.

Several  Confederate military units were formed by these men and all saw service. Many free black men in the south served on the Confederate side by their own choosing.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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6. The north had laws preventing “free” black people from actually getting rights as citizens.

Two acts of Congress were passed during the Civil War, one in 1864 and one in 1866, which allowed slave owners whose slaves enlisted or were drafted into the Union military to file a claim against the federal government for loss of the slave’s services.

Also true and part of the historical record.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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7. Abraham Lincoln was a tyrant and acted as America’s first dictator…

He arrested Maryland legislators to prevent them from voting on secession. He shut down at least 300 northern newspapers opposing his war policies. He imprisoned 10,000 Union citizens without due process of law. And he even provoked the south into war, even after North Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas, and Virginia voted to stay in the Union.

Mr. Lincoln walked all over the U.S. Constitution with great regularity during his first six months in office and opened the door wide for every progressive to come along since!

Several of the  leaders of failed European communist revolutions which had occurred in and around 1848 who had had narrowly escaped the hangman in their own country and came here wound up in Lincoln's Army and served at ranks up to and including Major General! One of these carried on a continuing correspondence with Mr. Karl Marx for the remainder of his (Mr. Marx's) life.

"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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The sudden assault on anything confederate the past couple of weeks was bound to bring out the Confederacy's apologists.  Truth is obviously the real victim today, with both the left and the apologists rewriting history to their own tunes.  Hopefully this will be short-lived.   **nononono* 
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The sudden assault on anything confederate the past couple of weeks was bound to bring out the Confederacy's apologists.  Truth is obviously the real victim today, with both the left and the apologists rewriting history to their own tunes.  Hopefully this will be short-lived.   **nononono*

If that refers to me please note that I am not apologizing for anything! I have only one agenda! it's called the TRUTH!

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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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1. The SLAVE states of Maryland, Missouri, Delaware, Kentucky, as well as the District of Columbia, were SLAVE STATES in the Union that fought for the NORTH.

I keep reading that here.  Kentucky did not fight for the north, it was a border state and so had people that fought for both sides.  At least two of my great-great-grandfathers - both from eastern Kentucky - fought in the Civil War.  One fought for the south and the other fought for the north (he died in the war).  Kentucky had brothers fighting against brothers. 

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If that refers to me please note that I am not apologizing for anything! I have only one agenda! it's called the TRUTH!

An apologist doesn't offer an apology, rather is someone who offers a defense for someone or some event that regardless of how bad, is designed as a justification.  Does Marge Schott come to mind?

Even worse today, while many in the GOP are trying to put the Confederacy and slavery in the laps of Democrats where they belong, some are saying "whoa now", the Confederacy wasn't so bad" and it was the North and Lincoln who were the true villains.  Sigh.  It was Republicans that saved the Union, ended slavery, pushed through the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments, every civil rights act for almost a hundred years, and in fact a greater percentage of Republicans than Democrats voted for both major acts in the 1960s.

Republicans are trying to bring this historical perspective to most Americans who've never heard of this, while some self-described conservatives want to relieve the Democrats of responsibility for these historical abominations.

Sigh...
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An apologist doesn't offer an apology, rather is someone who offers a defense for someone or some event that regardless of how bad, is designed as a justification.  Does Marge Schott come to mind?

Even worse today, while many in the GOP are trying to put the Confederacy and slavery in the laps of Democrats where they belong, some are saying "whoa now", the Confederacy wasn't so bad" and it was the North and Lincoln who were the true villains.  Sigh.  It was Republicans that saved the Union, ended slavery, pushed through the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments, every civil rights act for almost a hundred years, and in fact a greater percentage of Republicans than Democrats voted for both major acts in the 1960s.

Republicans are trying to bring this historical perspective to most Americans who've never heard of this, while some self-described conservatives want to relieve the Democrats of responsibility for these historical abominations.

Sigh...

I already told you that my ONLY agenda is the truth! The Republicans of Lincoln's era are much more related to today's democrats than ANY modern republican!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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I already told you that my ONLY agenda is the truth! The Republicans of Lincoln's era are much more related to today's democrats than ANY modern republican!

I don't question your agenda; I think I pretty much understand it.  I do question the author's spin on history and those who support it.  Republicans, whatever one might think of their accomplishments in the 1860s...or today, can look on their history with pride.  Democrats on the other hand, are the Party of slavery, the Confederacy, opposition to every rights Amendment and civil rights legislation for a hundred years after the War, Jim Crow, the Black Codes, segregation and lynchings.  And today it is the Party of socialism and intolerance. 

But the great thing about the First Amendment is that you and I can totally disagree on such major issues as this and publicly state our beliefs and our versions of the "truth".   :chairbang:
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I don't question your agenda; I think I pretty much understand it.  I do question the author's spin on history and those who support it.  Republicans, whatever one might think of their accomplishments in the 1860s...or today, can look on their history with pride.  Democrats on the other hand, are the Party of slavery, the Confederacy, opposition to every rights Amendment and civil rights legislation for a hundred years after the War, Jim Crow, the Black Codes, segregation and lynchings.  And today it is the Party of socialism and intolerance. 

But the great thing about the First Amendment is that you and I can totally disagree on such major issues as this and publicly state our beliefs and our versions of the "truth".   :chairbang:

The fact of the matter is that Obama is only putting the finishing touches on what was begun under Lincoln and carried forward by every progressive since.  The list is long and includes both democrats, republicans and a bull moose as well.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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The fact of the matter is that Obama is only putting the finishing touches on what was begun under Lincoln and carried forward by every progressive since.  The list is long and includes both democrats, republicans and a bull moose as well.

Just curious Bigun.  What era do you think represented the most liberty to the most Americans? 
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Another point to be considered when it comes to Massa Lincoln.

In 1975 Willmoore Kendall and George W. Carey published The Basic Symbols of the American Political Tradition. Their thesis was
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that a new, largely contrived political tradition has gained currency in many legal, academic, and political circles. This new tradition, set forth by Lincoln in his Gettysburg Address, holds that our fundamental political ideas are derived from the Bill of Rights and the "all men are created equal" clause of the Declaration of Independence. Proponents of this view not only champion individual rights but also believe that the achievement of a broadly defined equality represents a binding but as yet unfulfilled promise made by the American people in the Declaration.

Kendall and Carey test this concept against the seminal documents of the American experience beginning with The Mayflower Compact through the Federalist Papers and show it is in error. Nonetheless it has become the fundamental concept we live by today and has produced all sorts of mischief. The recent same sex marriage decision arises directly from it.

Changing that notion will be a herculean task but if we are to survive as a nation it must somehow be done. In any case, The Basic Symbols of the American Political Tradition is a good read and quite thought provoking.

http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Symbols-American-Political-Tradition/dp/0813208262

P.S. Thanks to BigUn for stating, "The fact of the matter is that Obama is only putting the finishing touches on what was begun under Lincoln and carried forward by every progressive since.  The list is long and includes both democrats, republicans and a bull moose as well.", which is not only correct, but also made me remember that work which I read in college lo these many years ago.
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Just curious Bigun.  What era do you think represented the most liberty to the most Americans?

I would answer that the period from 1790 to 1850 more or less is the ONLY period we actually lived, for the most part, under the Constitution as it was written. It is also the period when the idea of F R E E D O M actually took hold on this planet.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Another point to be considered when it comes to Massa Lincoln.

In 1975 Willmoore Kendall and George W. Carey published The Basic Symbols of the American Political Tradition. Their thesis was
Kendall and Carey test this concept against the seminal documents of the American experience beginning with The Mayflower Compact through the Federalist Papers and show it is in error. Nonetheless it has become the fundamental concept we live by today and has produced all sorts of mischief. The recent same sex marriage decision arises directly from it.

Changing that notion will be a herculean task but if we are to survive as a nation it must somehow be done. In any case, The Basic Symbols of the American Political Tradition is a good read and quite thought provoking.

http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Symbols-American-Political-Tradition/dp/0813208262

P.S. Thanks to BigUn for stating, "The fact of the matter is that Obama is only putting the finishing touches on what was begun under Lincoln and carried forward by every progressive since.  The list is long and includes both democrats, republicans and a bull moose as well.", which is not only correct, but also made me remember that work which I read in college lo these many years ago.

You are quite welcome!

And if I may I quote the section below the one you quoted in your post and ass some emphasis:

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This new tradition, set forth by Lincoln in his Gettysburg Address, holds that our fundamental political ideas are derived from the Bill of Rights and the "all men are created equal" clause of the Declaration of Independence. Proponents of this view not only champion individual rights but also believe that the achievement of a broadly defined equality represents a binding but as yet unfulfilled promise made by the American people in the Declaration.

In the present work, Kendall and Carey instead maintain that one must look to the founding era and its key documents in order to understand our indigenous political tradition. In so doing, one sees that the right of the people to govern themselves, rather than the concept of individual rights, is at the heart of the American political tradition.

They could not have been any more correct!
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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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I would answer that the period from 1790 to 1850 more or less is the ONLY period we actually lived, for the most part, under the Constitution as it was written. It is also the period when the idea of F R E E D O M actually took hold on this planet.

Including blacks and women?
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