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GOP fears it will win ObamaCare court battle
« on: June 09, 2015, 12:07:39 pm »
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/244369-gop-fears-it-will-win-obamacare-court-battle

 By Alexander Bolton - 06/09/15 06:00 AM EDT

Republicans in Congress are worried the Supreme Court will hand them a major headache this month if it rules against the federal health insurance exchanges in more than 30 states, ending subsidies for millions of people.

While the Affordable Care Act remains broadly unpopular, two new polls show a majority of Americans don’t want to do away with its subsidies, a core component of the law.

This poses a conundrum for Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio). They are under pressure from colleagues up for reelection in swing states and districts to extend the subsidies, at least temporarily, if the court strikes them down. But doing so would risk a backlash from the conservative base.

The Supreme Court is expected to hand down its decision in King v. Burwell, which could strip 6.4 million people of health insurance subsidies, in late June.

States that would be hardest hit by a ruling against the law include the Senate battlegrounds of Illinois, North Carolina, Ohio and Wisconsin.

“The politics of the King vs. Burwell case are extremely treacherous and tricky for Republicans because if the subsidies are thrown out by the court, Republicans are in the position of having to create a fix that would be seen as a problem by their most conservative supporters,” said John Ullyot, a GOP strategist and former senior Senate aide.

A new Washington Post/ABC News poll found that a majority of the public, 55 percent, does not want the court to block federal subsidies for people in states that have not set up their own exchanges. Only 38 percent said they wanted the subsidies ended.

“It does create a political problem for the GOP because there could be millions of people who got health insurance as a result of ObamaCare who lose it,” said Darrell West, director of governance studies at the Brookings Institution.

“There’s a chance Republicans will get more of the blame because they’re in control of the House and Senate. Unless they can produce legislation, the blame will rest in their corner.”

Democrats feel confident that Republicans will be on the losing end if the court strikes down the subsidies. While congressional Republicans have publicly discussed five plans to respond to the ruling, President Obama and Democrats have not unveiled anything.

“It’s a problem for all the people affected by the loss of the subsidies and it’s a problem for Republicans. The potential solution, as the president said, is a very easy and simple one,” said a senior Democratic aide.

Obama said Monday at a news conference ahead of a Group of Seven summit in Germany that Congress could avoid any disruption in the subsidies by passing a “one-sentence provision” clarifying the federal government’s authority to set up exchanges.

But Republicans have rejected that idea and have been debating various stopgap plans that could serve as bridges between the court’s ruling and the 2016 elections.

Sen. Ron Johnson (R), who faces a tough reelection in the swing state of Wisconsin, has proposed legislation to extend subsidies until August 2017 and repeal the Affordable Care Act’s requirements to buy and provide insurance. Thirty-one Republican senators have co-sponsored the measure, including McConnell.

“My bill is a transition piece of legislation that will allow the American people a voice in what our health care system will look like beyond the 2016 election,” Johnson said in a statement. “It acknowledges political realities by preventing turmoil and disruptions should the Supreme Court rule subsidies cannot be paid through federal exchanges.”

Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) has floated legislation that would restructure the law’s subsidies and wind them down over the course of a year and a half.

If McConnell and Boehner opt to pursue these options, or something similar, it will provoke a fight with the party’s conservative base, a dangerous prospect heading into an election year.

“Our basic approach to this is, first of all, Congress shouldn’t overreact. You see some overreaction out there; the Johnson bill is a good example of that,” said Dan Holler, the communications director at Heritage Action for America.

“We think it’s a really dangerous step if you’re basically refunding ObamaCare. It’s not something the Republican conference should be doing,” he added. “Anything that gets at a straight extension of the subsidies is a nonstarter with conservatives.”

Senate Republican sources say McConnell would prefer not to deal with the political mess if he doesn’t have to.

Senate Republican Policy Committee Chairman John Barrasso (Wyo.), Finance Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee Chairman Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) are leading a working group that has met since January to explore legislative options.

In a March op-ed published in The Washington Post, Barrasso, Hatch and Alexander called for providing financial assistance to help Americans keep their coverage for a “transitional period” and giving states more flexibility to create more competitive health insurance markets.

But so far McConnell has made no effort to rally the conference behind one plan.

“I don’t get the sense there’s a concerted effort to distill those messaging points into a substantive legislative proposal that the conference would rally around,” one senior GOP aide said of the trio’s plan.

McConnell on Monday declined to discuss the details of the Republican backup plan, saying only that his party would be ready if the Supreme Court rules against the healthcare law.

“We’ll have a plan that makes sense for the American people,” he said during an interview on “The Joe Elliott Show.”

“If the plaintiff is successful, it will require some addressing of the issue, and if that were to happen we’ll be ready to announce our proposal.”

Don Stewart, McConnell’s spokesman, criticized Obama for having no contingency plan in case the court rules against the subsidies.

“Unlike the Obama administration, which has no plan, Republicans are working to protect families from the consequences of ObamaCare,” he said.
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Re: GOP fears it will win ObamaCare court battle
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2015, 01:16:49 pm »
Is there ANYTHING the GOPe doesn't fear?

THAT is the question!
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Re: GOP fears it will win ObamaCare court battle
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2015, 01:48:40 pm »
Is there ANYTHING the GOPe doesn't fear?

THAT is the question!

Good question.  They're running like hell down the Loser's road.  Praying for someone with courage and integrity to lead us. 

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Re: GOP fears it will win ObamaCare court battle
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2015, 02:16:21 pm »
No Republicans - zero - were involved in designing or drafting the abomination known as The Affordable Care Act. Not a single member of the GOP voted for the bill, which was facilitated by a combination of legislative chicanery and outright bribery.
 
In what manner should Republicans now be responsible for amending or saving what Democrats alone created?
 
Let Democrats choke on it.
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Re: GOP fears it will win ObamaCare court battle
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2015, 02:28:45 pm »
No Republicans - zero - were involved in designing or drafting the abomination known as The Affordable Care Act. Not a single member of the GOP voted for the bill, which was facilitated by a combination of legislative chicanery and outright bribery.
 
In what manner should Republicans now be responsible for amending or saving what Democrats alone created?
 
Let Democrats choke on it.

GOP leaders are afraid how the facts you correctly laid out will be spun by the willing nightly news accomplices, when healthcare subsidies are 'taken away' by the GOP's actions in bringing the lawsuit.

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Re: GOP fears it will win ObamaCare court battle
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2015, 02:35:56 pm »
No Republicans - zero - were involved in designing or drafting the abomination known as The Affordable Care Act. Not a single member of the GOP voted for the bill, which was facilitated by a combination of legislative chicanery and outright bribery.
 
In what manner should Republicans now be responsible for amending or saving what Democrats alone created?
 
Let Democrats choke on it.

Democrats won't choke on it if the court battle is won. The GOP will be blamed for the loss of healthcare coverage.
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Re: GOP fears it will win ObamaCare court battle
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2015, 02:43:56 pm »
GOP leaders are afraid how the facts you correctly laid out will be spun by the willing nightly news accomplices, when healthcare subsidies are 'taken away' by the GOP's actions in bringing the lawsuit.

That's the problem with all such entitlements - no matter how economically disastrous and involuntarily derived they may be, people come to demand them as a matter of right.
 
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Re: GOP fears it will win ObamaCare court battle
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2015, 02:50:17 pm »
Good question.  They're running like hell down the Loser's road.  Praying for someone with courage and integrity to lead us.

Apparently... without constant reminder... we forget that...

"The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party."


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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2015, 02:57:42 pm »
Apparently... without constant reminder... we forget that...

"The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party."

Let's suppose for a moment that is true. What then should we do?
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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2015, 03:03:20 pm »
Let's suppose for a moment that is true. What then should we do?

A political revolution through third party candidates.
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Re: GOP fears it will win ObamaCare court battle
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2015, 03:08:58 pm »
Let's suppose for a moment that is true. What then should we do?

We should ignore it and pretend that more political activity will make it go away...


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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2015, 03:44:20 pm »
We should ignore it and pretend that more political activity will make it go away...

Enough of the right kind of "political activity" will indeed make it go away!
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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2015, 03:45:08 pm »
A political revolution through third party candidates.

How about we just have a revolution within the republican party!
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Re: GOP fears it will win ObamaCare court battle
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2015, 03:49:28 pm »
Enough of the right kind of "political activity" will indeed make it go away!

Really?  When did ignoring a true cause in favor of an increased level of ineffective activity ever overcome a true cause?


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Re: GOP fears it will win ObamaCare court battle
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2015, 03:54:15 pm »
How about we just have a revolution within the republican party!

Also known as voting for more members who will participate in the Republican Study Committee...
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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2015, 03:58:19 pm »
Really?  When did ignoring a true cause in favor of an increased level of ineffective activity ever overcome a true cause?

Ok then! What, in your opinion, should we do about the "true cause"?
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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2015, 04:06:30 pm »
Ok then! What, in your opinion, should we do about the "true cause"?

What's wrong with what I'm already doing?

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Re: GOP fears it will win ObamaCare court battle
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2015, 04:13:55 pm »
What's wrong with what I'm already doing?

I don't know! What, beyond pointing out incessantly on this forum that "The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party" , are YOU doing?
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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2015, 04:16:24 pm »
I don't know! What, beyond pointing out incessantly on this forum that "The sole purpose of the Republican Party is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party" , are YOU doing?

And what's wrong with incessantly pointing that out?

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Re: GOP fears it will win ObamaCare court battle
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2015, 04:18:36 pm »
And what's wrong with incessantly pointing that out?

Nothing! If it makes you happy post on! But I would be interested to know what actual effect you imagine it to be having?
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Re: GOP fears it will win ObamaCare court battle
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2015, 04:22:05 pm »
Nothing! If it makes you happy post on! But I would be interested to know what actual effect you imagine it to be having?

OK...

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Re: GOP fears it will win ObamaCare court battle
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2015, 04:34:39 pm »
Democrats won't choke on it if the court battle is won. The GOP will be blamed for the loss of healthcare coverage.

The GOP will fix it, but at a price:  the elimination of the individual and business mandates. Of Course, Obama won't like that, but that's what he'll have to take if he wants the subsidies to continue.

The GOP should play hardball on this. Obamacare has NEVER been popular and this could be the thing to kill it.
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Re: GOP fears it will win ObamaCare court battle
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2015, 04:40:08 pm »
The GOP will fix it, but at a price:  the elimination of the individual and business mandates. Of Course, Obama won't like that, but that's what he'll have to take if he wants the subsidies to continue.

The GOP should play hardball on this. Obamacare has NEVER been popular and this could be the thing to kill it.

That would be an intelligent bargain. The GOP would be praised for keeping people insured as well as for getting rid of the extremely unpopular mandate.
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Re: GOP fears it will win ObamaCare court battle
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2015, 04:52:37 pm »
A political revolution through third party candidates.

Yes.  Let's embrace a strategy that's guaranteed to make things worse.

Voting for Republicans is like drinking sewer water to you, so your solution is to drink  a big glass of nuclear waste.
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« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2015, 04:53:57 pm »
That would be an intelligent bargain. The GOP would be praised for keeping people insured as well as for getting rid of the extremely unpopular mandate.

Killing the mandates will kill Obamacare, since it can't survive if people aren't forced to participate in health insurance.
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