Franklin Graham: Gates' Call to End Gay Adult Ban Puts Scouts 'at Risk'

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Franklin Graham: Gates' Call to End Gay Adult Ban Puts Scouts 'at Risk'
Friday, May 22, 2015 05:44 PM

By: Sean Piccoli

The Rev. Franklin Graham, the prominent evangelist, went on Facebook on Friday to call out Boy Scouts leader Robert Gates by name for effectively ending the organization's ban on gay leaders.

"Robert Gates, shame on you for not having the moral courage to do what is right," Graham wrote in a Friday Facebook post that had received almost 32,000 "likes" and had been shared by more than 8,700 others by late afternoon.

Graham, son and successor of famed televangelist Billy Graham, was reacting to remarks on Thursday by the former secretary of defense, now president of the Boy Scouts of America, in which he called the Scouts' ban unsustainable.

"We must deal with the world as it is, not as we might wish it to be. The status quo in our movement's membership standards cannot be sustained," said Gates.

"What are you thinking?" Graham wrote in his response. "We shouldn't shift as the winds of cultural change blow through society; we need to stand for God's truth and things that are morally right.

"This move is bending to LGBT activist groups and would put young, innocent boys at risk," wrote the president and CEO of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association and the international Christian charity Samaritan's Purse.

"I encourage every former Boy Scout and every parent involved in the Boy Scouts to let Robert Gates know how displeased you are, and that if he leads the organization down this road, they may lose your support, your participation — and your sons," he wrote.

[mountaineer]

I have to agree. If I had a son it would be difficult to entrust him to a homosexual scoutmaster. If I had a daughter, I would be uncomfortable with a male heterosexual troop leader, too. 

But really, it's not accurate to call Billy Graham a "televangelist."

[Luis Gonzalez]

I have to agree. If I had a son it would be difficult to entrust him to a homosexual scoutmaster. If I had a daughter, I would be uncomfortable with a male heterosexual troop leader, too. 

But really, it's not accurate to call Billy Graham a "televangelist."

I'm on the fence on this one.

Franklin seems to be making a suggestion that either having homosexual Scout leaders will create greater opportunities for children to be molested during scouting activities, or that homosexual Scout leaders can somehow influence the sexuality of scouting children.

I tend to think that openly gay men are less a "danger" to young children than closeted pedophiles. The Catholic Church molestation scandals cemented that idea in place for me, and I don't for one minute buy into the "influenced" theory.

Human beings have a tendency to attack members of a disliked minority by portraying them as a danger to the most vulnerable in society.

In the Middle Ages Jews were accused of killing Christian babies in ritual sacrifices. Black men were often lynched after being accused of raping white women in the Jim Crow days.

Today we attack homosexuals as being a danger to children. I remember Anita Bryant's "Save Our Children" movement in my home State back in 1977 successfully stopping anti-gay discrimination legislation.

The difference between 1977 and today, is that today gays fight back.

[240B]

I guess homosexuals could be scout masters, but they would have to be monitored by a normal guy or woman.

I'm basing that remark on myself. I know that if I was a girlscout leader, it would be, uncomfortable.

I was on one of those 'viral image' sites once and they had a thread called, 'So you still think you are not a pedophile.' The tread showed these beautiful super sexy girls, and I mean stand up and salute the flag beautiful, sexy, then only afterward they would tell you their ages. These girls appeared to be between 18 - 20, in reality they were between 13 - 15 coming into puberty. It was meant to be a kind of joke.

I learned from that site to stay the hell away from young girls. Because they are horny as hell, sexy as hell, and sometimes it is impossible to tell how old they are.

I do not know what it is like to be gay. I could not even think about have sex with a little boy. I wouldn't even know how to start or what to do. But, I would guess for a gay guy it would be an extreme temptation, I guess?

[Luis Gonzalez]

I guess homosexuals could be scout masters, but they would have to be monitored by a normal guy or woman.

I'm basing that remark on myself. I know that if I was a girlscout leader, it would be, uncomfortable.

I was on one of those 'viral image' sites once and they had a thread called, 'So you still think you are not a pedophile.' The tread showed these beautiful super sexy girls, and I mean stand up and salute the flag beautiful, sexy, then only afterward they would tell you their ages. These girls appeared to be between 18 - 20, in reality they were between 13 - 15 coming into puberty. It was meant to be a kind of joke.

I learned from that site to stay the hell away from young girls. Because they are horny as hell, sexy as hell, and sometimes it is impossible to tell how old they are.

I do not know what it is like to be gay. I could not even think about have sex with a little boy. I wouldn't even know how to start or what to do. But, I would guess for a gay guy it would be an extreme temptation, I guess?

Just as you probably can't imagine having sex with a prepubescent girl.

As a healthy heterosexual, I can tell you that my heterosexuality has never tempted me to knowingly have sex with children. I say knowingly because just like you, I've seen underage girls that one would never guess to be underage. I remember the controversy over a porn film named "New Wave Hookers" back in the mid 1980's. The film featured a 16 year-old Traci Lords engaged in very explicit sex scenes, both hetero and homo sexual. There was no way in the world that the producers could tell that she was 16. I also remember some of the underage girls that managed to sneak into clubs were I was playing back in the late 1970's. 

But even in those cases, that's not pedophilia, that's acting on bad information and engaging in pederasty.

In your example, you were attracted to girls who LOOKED like women, so your attraction was to women.

Pedophiles abuse prepubescent children who look like children.

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[musiclady]

I have to agree. If I had a son it would be difficult to entrust him to a homosexual scoutmaster. If I had a daughter, I would be uncomfortable with a male heterosexual troop leader, too. 

But really, it's not accurate to call Billy Graham a "televangelist."

Billy Graham was most definitely NOT a "televangelist."  He held Crusades (love that word!) that were televised.

A very, very different thing than the Ernest Angley type of preacher man.

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[truth_seeker]

Billy Graham was most definitely NOT a "televangelist."  He held Crusades (love that word!) that were televised.

A very, very different thing than the Ernest Angley type of preacher man.

What is the distinction you intend to make, between a "televangelist" and a minister who holds televised crusades?

I happen to reside in a epicenter, of such activities. Hinn, Warren, Lurie, Shuller, Smith to name only a few. (plus the entire Trinity Broadcasting outfit)

BTW Lurie's activity is called "Harvest Crusade"

[musiclady]

What is the distinction you intend to make, between a "televangelist" and a minister who holds televised crusades?

I happen to reside in a epicenter, of such activities. Hinn, Warren, Lurie, Shuller, Smith to name only a few. (plus the entire Trinity Broadcasting outfit)

BTW Lurie's activity is called "Harvest Crusade"

A televangelist is the pastor of a church who televises his services and fleeces the public.  (Using the same name is irrelevant).

Billy Graham had thousands upon thousands of people coming to his services all around the world, he had fastidious finances and complete integrity, and many came to a saving knowledge of Christ through his ministry.

The fact that they were filmed and put on TV is not the same thing as those who do TV for TV's sake.

NOT the same thing at all.

[musiclady]

btw, Billy Graham Crusades pre-dated television.

[Dexter]

Is there some kind of evidence to support the belief that homosexuals are more likely to abuse children?

[mountaineer]

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I'm not sure what any of this comment has to do with Franklin Graham, because he's never said anything of the sort, nor has his father.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Is there some kind of evidence to support the belief that homosexuals are more likely to abuse children?

The evidence supports the exact opposite.

[Dexter]

The evidence supports the exact opposite.

I figured as much. It is ridiculous to assume that a homosexual male would be attracted to male children. Homosexuality and pedophilia are two entirely different things.

[mountaineer]

I figured as much. It is ridiculous to assume that a homosexual male would be attracted to male children. Homosexuality and pedophilia are two entirely different things.

Then let me ask you this: is a man who sexually molests a male child doing so because he has homosexual tendencies?
In other words, do heterosexual (that is, normal)  males ever sexually molest boys?

Just asking.

[Dexter]

Then let me ask you this: is a man who sexually molests a male child doing so because he has homosexual tendencies?
In other words, do heterosexual (that is, normal)  males ever sexually molest boys?

Just asking.

Married men that consider themselves heterosexual do molest male children sometimes. I really don't see why that matters either way though. If a person molests a child it happened because that person is a pedophile, not because of their sexual orientation.

[mountaineer]

Married men that consider themselves heterosexual do molest male children sometimes. I really don't see why that matters either way though. If a person molests a child it happened because that person is a pedophile, not because of their sexual orientation.

Sorry, but I believe a person who is normal, that is, attracted to the opposite sex, would not be interested in sexually molesting a child of his own sex. Call him a pedophile if you like, but if that person is a male and is molesting boys, then he's a homosexual.

[musiclady]

I'm not sure what any of this comment has to do with Franklin Graham, because he's never said anything of the sort, nor has his father.

I was thinking the same thing.

Thanks for saying it.

[Dexter]

Sorry, but I believe a person who is normal, that is, attracted to the opposite sex, would not be interested in sexually molesting a child of his own sex. Call him a pedophile if you like, but if that person is a male and is molesting boys, then he's a homosexual.

A lot of times pedophilia is simply about power.

[mountaineer]

A lot of times pedophilia is simply about power.

Or sexual perversion.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Sorry, but I believe a person who is normal, that is, attracted to the opposite sex, would not be interested in sexually molesting a child of his own sex. Call him a pedophile if you like, but if that person is a male and is molesting boys, then he's a homosexual.

Any pedophile that molests a prepubescent child of like sex is a homosexual, but being a homosexual does not make one a pedophile. In fact, most cases of child molestation are heterosexual in nature and perpetrated by a family member.

[Dexter]

Or sexual perversion.

I'm obviously not going to change your mind. I do not believe homosexual scout leaders will increase the amount of pedophilia in the boy scouts.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Sorry, but I believe a person who is normal, that is, attracted to the opposite sex, would not be interested in sexually molesting a child of his own sex. Call him a pedophile if you like, but if that person is a male and is molesting boys, then he's a homosexual.

BTW, a little addendum to my previous post.

A homosexual is a person who is sexually attracted to an adult of their same sex.

A heterosexual is a person who is sexually attracted to an adult of the opposite sex.

Any adult who is attracted to a prepubescent child, irrespective of the sexes of the perpetrator and victim, is a pedophile, and being a man who molests little girls does not somehow make you a better person than a man who molest little boys.

[mountaineer]

BTW, a little addendum to my previous post.

A homosexual is a person who is sexually attracted to an adult of their same sex.

Is an adult male attracted to males - of any age - not a homosexual?