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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/16/us/amtrak-train-may-have-been-struck-before-it-derailed-officials-say.html?_r=0

Amtrak Train May Have Been Struck Before It Derailed, Officials Say

By DAVE PHILIPPS and EMMA G. FITZSIMMONSMAY 15, 2015

PHILADELPHIA — An assistant conductor on the Amtrak train that derailed on Tuesday believes she heard the engineer tell another regional train operator in a radio transmission that the train had been struck by something just before the accident, according to the National Transportation Safety Board.

At a news conference on Friday, Robert L. Sumwalt, the safety board official who is leading the investigation, said the F.B.I. had been asked to examine what he described as a fist-size impact area found on the lower left side of the train’s windshield. Officials said that the F.B.I. had been called in because it has the forensics expertise needed for the investigation, but that it had not yet begun its analysis.

Mr. Sumwalt said investigators had interviewed three crew members, including the engineer, whom they said was “extremely cooperative” and displayed good knowledge of the proper procedures and speeds for the rail line. He said the engineer had not been fatigued and was not ill.

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Amtrak Crash Probe Exploring Whether Train Was Hit by Object


Friday, May 15, 2015 06:40 PM




By: Angela Greiling Keane and Alan Levin

The Amtrak train that derailed in Philadelphia and a separate commuter train in the vicinity may have been hit by projectiles of some kind shortly before the wreck, a U.S. transportation official said on Friday, after investigators interviewed members of the Amtrak crew. 

But when questioned for the first time about the crash Tuesday night, the Amtrak engineer who was driving the train said he had no memory of anything that happened shortly before the wreck, which killed eight people and injured more than 200 others, said Robert Sumwalt, a member of the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB).

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) was called in to examine a remnant of the Amtrak locomotive's shattered windshield with a circular damage pattern, Sumwalt said.

The revelation that Amtrak train No. 188 might have been struck by a bullet, rock or other object added an unexpected twist to a crash probe that initially focused on why the train had accelerated to over 100 miles per hour (160 km per hour) in the minute before it barreled into a curved track segment where the authorized speed limit was just 50 mph (80 kph).

An assistant conductor told NTSB investigators on Friday that the train run that day had been unremarkable until a few minutes after pulling out of Philadelphia's 30th Street station, the last stop before the accident occurred, Sumwalt said.

At that point, she heard the engineer, 32-year-old Brandon Bostian, talking by radio with the driver of another train from the Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority (SEPTA).

The other driver, according to her account, said he had reported to a train dispatcher that his windshield had been cracked by a projectile that he believed was either fired from a gun or thrown at his train, and that he had made an emergency stop as a result, Sumwalt said.

The conductor told investigators that Bostian then replied that he believed his own New York-bound Amtrak train had been similarly struck, Sumwalt said.

It was moments later that the Amtrak train began to round the curved section of track at twice the authorized speed and derailed in the city's Port Richmond neighborhood along the Delaware River, according to her account.

Sumwalt said FBI agents would arrive on Friday night to examine a portion of the lower left-hand corner of the locomotive's battered windshield that appeared to have been cracked by a flying object of some type.

The Philadelphia Inquirer newspaper and other media outlets reported Friday that a third train, an Amtrak Acela, had also been hit by an unidentified projectile that cracked a window on one of the cars about five minutes before it entered the 30th Street station, citing an account of a passenger.

CBS News cited federal safety investigators as saying they were aware of the report of a third train being hit.

 

TRAIN'S SPEED RAISES QUESTIONS

Sumwalt said investigators still have no explanation for why the train was going as fast as it was, and why it had accelerated from 70 mph to 100-plus mph in the 65 seconds before the crash, as was shown on video footage taken by a camera mounted on the locomotive.

The engineer had slammed on the emergency breaking system seconds before the wreck, investigators said.

Sumwalt said on Friday that Bostian told them he had no recollection of doing that, or of anything else after ringing the train's signal bell as it rolled through the North Philadelphia station - about midway between the 30th Street stop and the crash site.

Otherwise, Bostian reported no difficulties during what he remembers of the run, telling investigators he did not feel fatigued or have any illness before the accident, Sumwalt said.

"He felt fully qualified and comfortable with his equipment and reported no problems with his train handling. And when asked, he demonstrated a very good working knowledge of the territory, speed limitations, things like that," Sumwalt said.

Sumwalt said Bostian was accompanied by his lawyer for the interview but was "extremely cooperative" during the 90-minute interview.

Experts said the train's speed in the moments before the crash raised several questions: Could a technical glitch have caused the locomotive to speed up so rapidly? Would it take a deliberate action by the engineer? Or could human error, a medical issue, or some other factor like clumsiness explain the sudden burst of speed?

Sumwalt said the train, as designed, can only be accelerated by manual control, but the NTSB would examine whether a mechanical malfunction could have caused the train to speed up on its own.

He said Bostian reported to investigators that he had experienced technical problems on his way south to Washington from New York earlier that day. He did not elaborate.

Bostian, he said, began his railroad career as a brakeman while in college, joined Amtrak as a conductor in 2006 and became a locomotive engineer in 2010. He had been on this particular route for several weeks, driving the train from New York to Washington and back once a day, five days a week.

Steve Sullivan, a conductor turned consultant at RL Banks and Associates, said it was unlikely that a mechanical issue with the locomotive caused the acceleration, though the NTSB has not ruled out that possibility. Sullivan said he never heard of a train accelerating without someone moving the throttle.

The throttle of the locomotive that Bostian was operating has eight settings, with each click forward accelerating the train, said Charles Culver, a certified conductor and engineer based in Texas who is not connected to the investigation.

Culver said it does not take much force to move the throttle forward and it was possible the engineer could have fallen and moved the throttle. Passenger trains, unlike freight trains, can increase speed rapidly, he said.

"In order to increase the speed as much as it was increased in this case, you would have had to really, really move the throttle," Culver said. "Frankly, I am puzzled about the whole thing."

All engineers are required to know speed restrictions on their routes, but Culver said it was possible the engineer lost awareness of the train's location due to some medical condition.

Sullivan offered another possible scenario, though it was entirely speculative: "Something distracted him. He lost focus, and he thought he already went through the turn and that's why he was accelerating," the consultant said.

The engineer's attorney, Robert Goggin, has said Bostian had turned off his cell phone, as Amtrak requires of all engineers behind the controls.

The NTSB's Sumwalt said federal law requires transportation personnel involved in an accident to be tested for drugs or alcohol but it would take "some time" for those results to come back.


http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/amtrak-train-hit-by/2015/05/15/id/644962/


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[[ PHILADELPHIA — An assistant conductor on the Amtrak train that derailed on Tuesday believes she heard the engineer tell another regional train operator in a radio transmission that the train had been struck by something just before the accident, according to the National Transportation Safety Board. ]]

This is very easily proven or disproven.

Amtrak radio transmissions are recorded and all they have to do to verify this is to "pull the tapes".

Also from the article in post 2:
[[ Bostian, he said, began his railroad career as a brakeman while in college, joined Amtrak as a conductor in 2006 and became a locomotive engineer in 2010. He had been on this particular route for several weeks, driving the train from New York to Washington and back once a day, five days a week. ]]

Pay attention to the second paragraph.
Even though he had been "set up" as an engineer for 4+ years, this seems to indicate he was new to the territory (NY Penn to Philadelphia). There is A LOT to learn about this stretch of railroad, New York to Philly is probably the most congested section of railroad in the United States.

My guess (and it's only a guess) is that he might have been tired and lost his bearings as to exactly where he was. Normally it would be wide-open running JUST AFTER the reverse curves in which he wrecked. Yet he was accelerating as if he believed he was already through them -- and then dumped the train (put it into emergency) when he saw the curves in front of him, and realized where he was was not where he thought he was.

Have you ever driven down a stretch of highway -- even one that you've traveled numerous times before -- and had for just a moment (because you were thinking of something else) looked around and wondered "where am I?" Go just a little further, and you realize, "oh yeah, that's where I am!"

It's easy to stomp the brake and slow down in the car.
Not so easy when you're up over 100 with a train!

There could be a more complicated explanation about what went wrong.
But sometimes the "Occam's Razor" rule applies...

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Does any of this nonsense explain why the train was traveling at 106 MPH?
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The fact the train was going 106 mph is all the knowledge they need. Even if the object that struck it was a rocket with explosives that train was going to derail at the curve no matter what so why bring this up. The fact another train was hit and did not derail certainly shows the object didn't do much of anything but wake the engineer up so he could try to brake much to late. Find out why it was going 106 mph whether it was human error or equipment failure and you have your reason for the accident.

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Yes...a simple application of occam's razon will suffice.
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Does any of this nonsense explain why the train was traveling at 106 MPH?
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Maybe it got hit by a rock from behind
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