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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #225 on: April 03, 2015, 08:11:36 pm »
Quote from: Luis Gonzalez on April 03, 2015, 08:09:31 pm
Memes?

Really?

I have to go with the arrow in the quiver.  If Dan had just posted the verbiage I would have said the same thing.
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #226 on: April 03, 2015, 08:15:53 pm »
Quote from: Luis Gonzalez on April 03, 2015, 08:09:31 pm
So then, if Indiana has a true Religious Freedom Restoration Act, then Mormons can engage in plural marriage and Rastafarians can smoke weed with impunity.

Right?

Wrong.
Trivia question:  Why was the 1994 RFRA passed in the first place?  (Hint:  Peyote)

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What we have here is a possible violation of the Establishment Clause, since it elevates a religion above all others by giving them impunity against possible legal action stemming from his refusal to serve gay couples, yet atheists who simply don't like gays and refuse to serve them enjoy no similar protection under the law. So the law creates an inequity.

That is a good point, and I maintain if Atheism were properly understood to be a belief system, IOW a "religion," then the gays are the ones violating the law like mad.
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #227 on: April 03, 2015, 08:22:18 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on April 03, 2015, 08:15:53 pm
Trivia question:  Why was the 1994 RFRA passed in the first place?  (Hint:  Peyote)

That is a good point, and I maintain if Atheism were properly understood to be a belief system, IOW a "religion," then the gays are the ones violating the law like mad.

Scalia and Rehnquist overturned the 1993 (not 1994) RFRA..
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #228 on: April 03, 2015, 08:27:02 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on April 03, 2015, 08:15:53 pm
Trivia question:  Why was the 1994 RFRA passed in the first place?  (Hint:  Peyote)

That is a good point, and I maintain if Atheism were properly understood to be a belief system, IOW a "religion," then the gays are the ones violating the law like mad.

And at the end of the day, atheist are the ones being discriminated against since they enjoy no protection for an identical act that others in the State have immunity for based on the State recognizing their standing based on religious beliefs.

From the Legal Information Institute:

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The First Amendment's Establishment Clause prohibits the government from making any law “respecting an establishment of religion.” This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion, or non-religion over religion.

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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #229 on: April 03, 2015, 08:27:27 pm »
Quote from: Luis Gonzalez on April 03, 2015, 08:22:18 pm
Scalia and Rehnquist overturned the 1993 (not 1994) RFRA..

I defer to your superior scholarship on this.  I never much cared about it until it became a "thing" when it was determined the Federal law doesn't apply to states.  When that happened, gays with butthurt started suing good people into oblivion.  That was my point.
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #230 on: April 03, 2015, 08:29:41 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on April 03, 2015, 08:27:27 pm
I defer to your superior scholarship on this.  I never much cared about it until it became a "thing" when it was determined the Federal law doesn't apply to states.  When that happened, gays with butthurt started suing good people into oblivion.  That was my point.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/04/01/many-liberals-sensible-retreat-from-the-old-justice-brennanaclu-position-on-religious-exemptions/?postshare=2671428068605177
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #231 on: April 03, 2015, 08:32:18 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on April 03, 2015, 08:27:27 pm
I defer to your superior scholarship on this.  I never much cared about it until it became a "thing" when it was determined the Federal law doesn't apply to states.  When that happened, gays with butthurt started suing good people into oblivion.  That was my point.

BTW... the majority of the Bill of Rights now applies to the States by way of the Incorporation Doctrine.
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #232 on: April 03, 2015, 08:33:00 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on April 03, 2015, 08:27:27 pm
I defer to your superior scholarship on this.  I never much cared about it until it became a "thing" when it was determined the Federal law doesn't apply to states.  When that happened, gays with butthurt started suing good people into oblivion.  That was my point.

Don't mind me.

I'm just one of those non-assimilating immigrants.
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #233 on: April 03, 2015, 08:47:08 pm »
Quote from: Luis Gonzalez on April 03, 2015, 08:33:00 pm
Don't mind me.

I'm just one of those non-assimilating immigrants.

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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #234 on: April 03, 2015, 10:11:24 pm »
Quote from: Luis Gonzalez on April 03, 2015, 08:33:00 pm
Don't mind me.

I'm just one of those non-assimilating immigrants.

Don't ever "assimilate."  It'd ruin you.   :laugh:
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #235 on: April 03, 2015, 11:25:39 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on April 03, 2015, 10:11:24 pm
Don't ever "assimilate."  It'd ruin you.   :laugh:

Unrelated post.


Two story house on the right, about half way down the block, with the balcony.

I was born there.

Needs a paint job badly.

Or a demo crew.

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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #236 on: April 03, 2015, 11:34:35 pm »
Quote from: Luis Gonzalez on April 03, 2015, 11:25:39 pm
Unrelated post.


Two story house on the right, about half way down the block, with the balcony.

I was born there.

Needs a paint job badly.

Or a demo crew.

On the balcony...?   :beer:
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #237 on: April 03, 2015, 11:36:43 pm »
Quote from: MACVSOG68 on April 03, 2015, 11:34:35 pm
On the balcony...?   :beer:

Could be.

I've always been somewhat unconventional.
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Re: Indiana governor backs down, calls for fix to religious law
« Reply #238 on: April 03, 2015, 11:43:46 pm »
Quote from: MACVSOG68 on April 03, 2015, 11:34:35 pm
On the balcony...?   :beer:

Or, perhaps the conception?
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